Discussion about the Suspension List
Quote: petroglyphYou don't need to apologize to a nuked member, and I don't really think he cares.
+1
Quote: TwoFeathersATL+1
Either you guys are kidding or you misread something. Maybe one is joking and one misread. If you need it clarified just ask. You give a lot of plus ones. How can someone get a plus two from you? :-)
Quote: rxwineWhat does me responding have to do with it? I'm saying you seem to be the defender of Internet trolling by defending most of these people.
Had I seen a lot of innocents being stomped on, I'd side with you.
You and a few others have made it quite clear that you don't care about my concerns, posts etc. I'm wondering why you would respond to something that you don't care about. I certainly wouldn't. That doesn't mean that I don't welcome your responses. I do.
Quote: 1BBWould you consider taking a weight loss challenge? Your writing skills would certainly keep it interesting. Maybe there could be two participants. Who else is fat out there?
No thong photos please. :-)
Sigh, I wish I could. Fatness is a disease that I have not yet figured out how to battle. Last year I started a thread on here that I had a challenge including free money and a site that I bet on. I failed miserably. My addiction to pop and ice cream can't be overcome. At least I haven't figured out how yet. This may make no sense, but I swear there are times that I black out, end up in a grocery store, and next thing you know I am at home with a 2 liter and half gallon of ice cream.
Quote: rxwineIf you post a link, people can discuss the merits. How is that not different than Cena or anyone else who does that?
I'm not even sure what you are trying to say. I'm not defending Cena overall, but he got called out for calling Hillary a "lesbian" and no one is getting called out for calling Drudge "gay". I don't think links are important because they are so easy to find. IT can't be wrong to call some one a "lesbian" who is has not admitted or proven to be such; how can it be right to call someone "gay" without proof or admission. Is it really as simple as posting some links?
I don't think so. I think, specifically, that there is a double standard. Heck, one member admitted that being gay was similar to being black in that it allows you to say things that can't be said by those who aren't. If it is repulsive for one person to do it, it is repulsive for the other to do it. Allowing double standards doesn't fix anything and it is probably harmful to all kinds of relationships.
Quote: RonCI'm not even sure what you are trying to say. I'm not defending Cena overall, but he got called out for calling Hillary a "lesbian" and no one is getting called out for calling Drudge "gay". I don't think links are important because they are so easy to find. IT can't be wrong to call some one a "lesbian" who is has not admitted or proven to be such; how can it be right to call someone "gay" without proof or admission. Is it really as simple as posting some links?
You don't understand? Okay, go ahead and use all the racial, ethnic, insults and slurs randomly as you post on this site and see if you can figure it out.
Or, you could post a story about Jessie Jackson using the n___ word, and you probably won't get called on it at all.
Alledged stories are posted all the time about Democrats and Republicans, I'm not buying that you and others haven't already indicated Hillary; that she committed crimes with the server business without so much as a trial, or even indictment. Probably 50% of the politics thread is random speculation.
Quote: 1BBYou and a few others have made it quite clear that you don't care about my concerns, posts etc. I'm wondering why you would respond to something that you don't care about. I certainly wouldn't. That doesn't mean that I don't welcome your responses. I do.
I already told you once why I don't just ignore your posts, because it is about how the forum is run. Need me to look it up for you, or do you remember now.
If you mean, I don't care that you're upset in general about these things. Yeah. True. You being upset doesn't make your opinion more convincing.
Did someone really get suspended just for called Hillary a lesbian? That's honestly the dumbest suspension reason I have heard. Is there more to this story?Quote: RonCI'm not even sure what you are trying to say. I'm not defending Cena overall, but he got called out for calling Hillary a "lesbian" and no one is getting called out for calling Drudge "gay". I don't think links are important because they are so easy to find. IT can't be wrong to call some one a "lesbian" who is has not admitted or proven to be such; how can it be right to call someone "gay" without proof or admission. Is it really as simple as posting some links?
I don't think so. I think, specifically, that there is a double standard. Heck, one member admitted that being gay was similar to being black in that it allows you to say things that can't be said by those who aren't. If it is repulsive for one person to do it, it is repulsive for the other to do it. Allowing double standards doesn't fix anything and it is probably harmful to all kinds of relationships.
I'm not 100% sure she isn't one http://consciouslyenlightened.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/132053-HzVL_zhBND1gXj8sEQaNcQ-1.png (-;.
Quote: RonCI don't think so. I think, specifically, that there is a double standard. Heck, one member admitted that being gay was similar to being black in that it allows you to say things that can't be said by those who aren't. If it is repulsive for one person to do it, it is repulsive for the other to do it. Allowing double standards doesn't fix anything and it is probably harmful to all kinds of relationships.
That's your opinion and you're entitled to it. But you know that old saying about opinions.....
JohnCena called Hillary a lesbian purely as an insult.
Drudge is an avid right-winger who happens to be gay (you claim that somebody isn't gay til they officially come out of the closet. That's just not how it works.) His sexuality is an acceptable topic for discussion. And I can make all the jokes about him being a nasty hypocrite I want...
Quote: ams288That's your opinion and you're entitled to it. But you know that old saying about opinions.....
JohnCena called Hillary a lesbian purely as an insult.
Drudge is an avid right-winger who happens to be gay (you claim that somebody isn't gay til they officially come out of the closet. That's just not how it works.) His sexuality is an acceptable topic for discussion. And I can make all the jokes about him being a nasty hypocrite I want...
Thank you for your opinion. Thank you for acknowledging the double standard. Thank you for defining that calling someone a hypocrite for being gay when it has not been proven or acknowledged is okay but calling someone a lesbian as an insult is not. Isn't it an insult to call someone gay that has not acknowledged being gay or somehow proven to be gay also an insult?
It's okay. I know when there is no sense in trying to reason further with someone that is not being reasonable. I'm sure you'll have some great retort for that. I could give two craps.
Quote: rxwineI already told you once why I don't just ignore your posts, because it is about how the forum is run. Need me to look it up for you, or do you remember now.
If you mean, I don't care that you're upset in general about these things. Yeah. True. You being upset doesn't make your opinion more convincing.
I may get upset if a nuclear war starts or if a friend passes away but nothing on an internet forum comes close to upsetting me. It's a strange conclusion to jump to just because you don't agree with my opinions, They're my opinions and you are not going to change them no matter how many times you respond to my posts. It's okay to have different opinions. Imagine how this forum would be if everyone had the same opinion?
It's admirable that you think you're defending the moderators of this fine site but I'm not attacking them and, as I've noted before, they are quite capable of handling things on their own.
You seem like you really need to have the last word so go ahead so we can both move on. I hope you're not upset and try not to break any forum rules.
If I said I missed you while I was gone, I would be lying. But you have the power to change it all by buying this site and making everything in the universe right. Or you can continue to troll. Not sure what "trolling" is, but
Ike a wise man once said about about porn......
And while catching up it is good to see many see it the same way.
Quote: 1BBnothing on an internet forum comes close to upsetting me..
Quote: AxelWolfDid someone really get suspended just for called Hillary a lesbian? That's honestly the dumbest suspension reason I have heard. Is there more to this story?
No, he didn't, and yes, there is. I asked him in the election thread not to use "lesbian" and "gay" as insults after he did it numerous times and someone else complained.
However, (and after that) he got suspended for a personal insult to a member and abusing people in PM's, and he got nuked for making a dupe ID to come back on the same day he got suspended rather than waiting the 3 days.
Quote: EvenBob
EvenBob, aren't you the guy who went crying to DJTeddyBear after one of your suspensions? He was a secret or not so secret administer at the time. You didn't just PM him. On no, you called him at his home. Let me repeat that. You called him at his home, his private residence. I guess all those posts make you feel special, huh Bob?
I don't know what transpired but you got DJ to reverse your suspension. He was also relieved of his duties as secret administrator. Nice work, Bob. With friends like you......
Quote: BozI'll take the "last word". Life has been fine, business has been good, still can't find good employees at above industry wages and you are still complaining. But the Wizard said it best.
If I said I missed you while I was gone, I would be lying. But you have the power to change it all by buying this site and making everything in the universe right. Or you can continue to troll. Not sure what "trolling" is, but
Ike a wise man once said about about porn......
And while catching up it is good to see many see it the same way.
Calling someone a troll is considered a personal insult here. Not by me, mind you, but by the powers that be. Please don't suspend Boz for this. He has too many suspensions already and his life is good. Thanks.
Quote: RonCI'm not even sure what you are trying to say. I'm not defending Cena overall, but he got called out for calling Hillary a "lesbian" and no one is getting called out for calling Drudge "gay". I don't think links are important because they are so easy to find. IT can't be wrong to call some one a "lesbian" who is has not admitted or proven to be such; how can it be right to call someone "gay" without proof or admission. Is it really as simple as posting some links?
I don't think so. I think, specifically, that there is a double standard. Heck, one member admitted that being gay was similar to being black in that it allows you to say things that can't be said by those who aren't. If it is repulsive for one person to do it, it is repulsive for the other to do it. Allowing double standards doesn't fix anything and it is probably harmful to all kinds of relationships.
Quote: AxelWolfDid someone really get suspended just for called Hillary a lesbian? That's honestly the dumbest suspension reason I have heard. Is there more to this story?
Quote: beachbumbabsNo, he didn't, and yes, there is. I asked him in the election thread not to use "lesbian" and "gay" as insults after he did it numerous times and someone else complained.
However, (and after that) he got suspended for a personal insult to a member and abusing people in PM's, and he got nuked for making a dupe ID to come back on the same day he got suspended rather than waiting the 3 days.
This pretty much explains it all—I did not say that Cena was suspended for using the term “lesbian” to refer to Hillary; just that he was “called out” about it. I think that was fair.
On the other hand, we have a member using the term “gay” to describe a person other than Hillary because there are rumors (not proof) to that effect and he somehow think it is okay to do so because there is a rumor. No proof shown in either case, but one seems to be getting away with it and has drawn no warnings.
I thought everyone just wanted people to stay out of their bedroom…but then I am told it that there is a double standard and that it is okay and that I should get over it.
How about we not uses the term “gay” or “lesbian” or any other term describing a person’s sexuality unless it is a proven fact or the person has admitted to being such?
Quote: RonCIsn't it an insult to call someone gay that has not acknowledged being gay or somehow proven to be gay also an insult?
Ummm..... NO.
I would LOVE to hear your reasoning as to why that would be an insult....
Quote: ams288Ummm..... NO.
I would LOVE to hear your reasoning as to why that would be an insult....
If someone is not gay (has not acknowledged being gay or been proven to be gay), calling them gay is an insult. You are calling them something that they are not.
I'm not sure how many times the same thing needs to be explained to you; sometimes I think that you are simply to the point of trying to bait me into insulting you. Maybe figure that one of two things (or both) will happen:
--you'll keep saying it is okay to call people gay who are not acknowledged/proven to be so and everyone will just accept that you are allowed to do it because of that double standard thing you say should exist
--you think you'll get someone to insult you and take joy that you baited a person into it
Not going to happen. I may have positions that you would consider "anti-gay" but I am certainly not against all being treated fairly. People can agree to disagree; calling names over it is just stupid. I get along well with others here who may or may not be gay. They don't claim a right to some double standard. Double standards are not good--they lower they overall standard.
Quote: RonCIf someone is not gay (has not acknowledged being gay or been proven to be gay), calling them gay is an insult. You are calling them something that they are not.
False. Drudge is gay. Because he has not acknowledged it does not mean he is straight. Anderson Cooper was on the same Out list as Drudge before Anderson came out publicly.... Was Anderson straight up until that point too?
This isn't the 5th grade or 1956 - "gay" isn't an insult. And if you think it is..... Well that's just sad.
Quote: ams288This isn't the 5th grade or 1956 - "gay" isn't an insult. And if you think it is..... Well that's just sad.
funny coming from the dude who cried to mods beacuse he thought "lesbian" was a insult
Quote: ams288False. Drudge is gay. Because he has not acknowledged it does not mean he is straight. Anderson Cooper was on the same Out list as Drudge before Anderson came out publicly.... Was Anderson straight up until that point too?
This isn't the 5th grade or 1956 - "gay" isn't an insult. And if you think it is..... Well that's just sad.
Huh. Well, an administrator told someone here to stop using it as an insult. Most people would consider it an insult to be called gay if they are not; it isn't 1956 and we aren't in 5th grade but it is generally considered an insult to call someone a derogatory name or something that they are not even today. Maybe not in your book, I understand, but in about 99% of the rest of the world.
You obviously don't get it. Anderson's sexuality was no one's business but his own up until the point he acknowledged it or it was proven. He was just a person doing what he wanted with the person he wanted to do it with. I don't care about his sexuality to this day. Heck, I might not have even remembered it had you not reminded me of it. I don't think in those terms.
I didn't out people that I knew were gay when I was in the military; I guess that could have been wrong "by the books", but I figured it was their own business. I don't think a lot of people "outed" gays (though some did)--two guys took a shower together every night in our barracks and no one really gave a damn. They could have been whatever they wanted to be sexually; they did their jobs and did them well. That was what mattered.
I already showed you that Drudge posts links to things that are positive about about gays and not just negative things.
Quote: RonCHuh. Well, an administrator told someone here to stop using it as an insult. Most people would consider it an insult to be called gay if they are not;
It can be used as an insult - for example a 5th grader yelling "you're gay!" at someone.
That was the context of JohnCena's Hillary comments.
Drudge IS gay so someone calling him that isn't an insult. Unless they were to call him a derogatory name or something... We aren't going to agree on whether closeted or not makes a difference. Gay is gay.
Quote: figure4funny coming from the dude who cried to mods beacuse he thought "lesbian" was a insult
Welcome to the boards! May your stay here be short and sweet...
Quote: ams288Welcome to the boards! May your stay here be short and sweet...
same whiner also whined when rand pual was called "gay"
Quote: figure4same whiner also whined when rand pual was called "gay"
I forgot about that!!
Just goes to show that my defense against homophobic swipes from toddlers is bipartisan.
Quote: ams288I forgot about that!!
Just goes to show that my defense against homophobic swipes from toddlers is bipartisan.
make up your mind
is "gay" homophobic or not?
or is it ok only when trolls like u call someone gay?
Quote: ams288It can be used as an insult - for example a 5th grader yelling "you're gay!" at someone.
That was the context of JohnCena's Hillary comments.
Drudge IS gay so someone calling him that isn't an insult. Unless they were to call him a derogatory name or something... We aren't going to agree on whether closeted or not makes a difference. Gay is gay.
He is? How do you know?
(This where you offer actual verifiable proof and, if you do so, I shut up)
Again, you've said he is on the same list as other people who have eventually came out as being gay. You have never shown an admission by him that he is gay OR proof in any manner of him being gay. So you are yelling "Drudge is gay" without proof. How is that not an insult to him in the same way that Cena saying Hillary is a lesbian was judged to be an insult? There have been rumors about that for a long, long time but we don't accept them because there is no proof.
Either Cena was okay in doing it and so are you...or not. Double standards are not standards at all.
Quote: RonCAgain, you've said he is on the same list as other people who have eventually came out as being gay. You have never shown an admission by him that he is gay OR proof in any manner of him being gay. So you are yelling "Drudge is gay" without proof.
The articles that have been linked regarding Drudge's homosexuality are proof enough for me.
Had Cena linked to those articles questioning Hillary's sexuality that came up after the fact, we could have had that discussion. But he didn't... He just wanted to insult her. And Rand Paul too.
Quote: ams288The articles that have been linked regarding Drudge's homosexuality are proof enough for me.
Had Cena linked to those articles questioning Hillary's sexuality that came up after the fact, we could have had that discussion. But he didn't... He just wanted to insult her. And Rand Paul too.
Your position is that any article I can find calling _____________________ a criminal is enough for me to say they are a criminal regardless of proof of any kind?
That bar is so low it cannot even be considered a bar. It is just a tenth of an inch more than just calling anyone anything that you'd like. Since there have been rumors about Hillary's sexuality for years, there was no need to add a link just to provide no proof at all--since those links for Drudge or for Hillary contain no proof.
Quote: RonCYour position is that any article I can find calling _____________________ a criminal is enough for me to say they are a criminal regardless of proof of any kind?
If there were multiple articles regarding _______________'s criminality I think that would be fair.
I don't think I'd care, to be honest. People call Hillary a criminal a lot. Doesn't bother me....
Quote: ams288If there were multiple articles regarding _______________'s criminality I think that would be fair.
I don't think I'd care, to be honest. People call Hillary a criminal a lot. Doesn't bother me....
There are several articles related to Hillary being a lesbian. That is not proof in my book; she has not admitted it and it has not been proven. I feel the same about her being a criminal--there are lots of articles saying that she may be, but it has not yet been proven. Bad judgment, proven. Criminal? Not proven.
Hillary lesbian links:
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/hillary-clintons-emails-reveal-lesbian-lust
http://www.infowars.com/clinton-insider-reveals-hillarys-lesbian-sexcapades/
http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2015/05/10/abcs-the-view-hints-that-hillary-clinton-is-a-lesbian/
No proof at all, but that meets your standard...again, not a good standard at all.
3 guys walk into a casino, from 3 different entrances, never met each other before.
They all sit down at an empty blackjack table, dealer standing there but no one playing.
They do not buy in, or place any chips on the felt.
One is pro-gay, one is anti-gay, one could care less about gay-ness.
Should they buy-in, or place some chips on the felt?
Or is it perfectly acceptable to just sit there with their little Internet gizmos and post to WoV all damn day long?
That wasn't the question ;-)
Figure4 is now showing in red, what's up with that?
A sanctioned member with a new handle? Or were one or more of Figure4's posts considered an insult?
Or both? There's a question for discussion in the discussion about the suspension list.
Just my opinion of course....
Quote: RonCHillary lesbian links:
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/hillary-clintons-emails-reveal-lesbian-lust
http://www.infowars.com/clinton-insider-reveals-hillarys-lesbian-sexcapades/
http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2015/05/10/abcs-the-view-hints-that-hillary-clinton-is-a-lesbian/
No proof at all, but that meets your standard...again, not a good standard at all.
Did you not see my post where I said had JohnCena linked to articles like those, we could have had that discussion?
I'm wondering if there are any "Rand Paul is gay" articles out there, since that was another claim of his...
Quote: IbeatyouracesMaybe Bill, Hillary and Monica were having a three-some...
I started to draw that out on a chalkboard, and then quickly erased my artwork ;-)
Quote: TwoFeathersATLI started to draw that out on a chalkboard, and then quickly erased my artwork ;-)
I'm willing to bet there is some cheesy porn-spoof of that scene out there, albeit with much more attractive people playing those roles.
Anyone remember "Nailin' Palin?"
Quote: ams288Did you not see my post where I said had JohnCena linked to articles like those, we could have had that discussion?
I'm wondering if there are any "Rand Paul is gay" articles out there, since that was another claim of his...
One could wonder whether at least some of the posts of AMS could be considered "trolling". I assume the admins already have that topic under consideration. Were it decided that , yes some of those posts constitute trolling, then what would be the 'appropriate' course of action? Nuke or suspension or warning? I'm tempted to sound like another member that considers these things, considers them frequently, often eloquently. It's hard to know where to draw the line. I got faith. IMO, at least a warning is in order, not that my crazy opnion matters much.
Quote: TwoFeathersATLOne could wonder whether at least some of the posts of AMS could be considered "trolling". I assume the admins already have that topic under consideration. Were it decided that , yes some of those posts constitute trolling, then what would be the 'appropriate' course of action? Nuke or suspension or warning? I'm tempted to sound like another member that considers these things, considers them frequently, often eloquently. It's hard to know where to draw the line. I got faith. IMO, at least a warning is in order, not that my crazy opnion matters much.
What about that post of mine you quoted constitutes trolling??
Quote: ams288What about that post of mine you quoted constitutes trolling??
It wasn't that post, it was a cumulative assessment of your last couple dozen. I am not trying to make any enemies here, including you. I just simply think, on occasion, you have pushed the envelope too far. My best advice would be to just simply calm down a little. Simple advice.
Quote: TwoFeathersATLIt wasn't that post, it was a cumulative assessment of your last couple dozen. I am not trying to make any enemies here, including you. I just simply think, on occasion, you have pushed the envelope too far. My best advice would be to just simply calm down a little. Simple advice.
I am always calm.
But if you make an accusation like that you better have the evidence to back it up..
Quote: ams288I am always calm.
But if you make an accusation like that you better have the evidence to back it up..
I wasn't trying to make an accusation, sorry if it sounded like that to you. I was just voicing an opinion, just a simple opinion from one relatively obscure member. I have noticed you voice your opinions frequently, is it OK if I voice mine? Step back man. Take a look.
Quote: TwoFeathersATLI wasn't trying to make an accusation, sorry if it sounded like that to you. I was just voicing an opinion, just a simple opinion from one relatively obscure member. I have noticed you voice your opinions frequently, is it OK if I voice mine? Step back man. Take a look.
If you think I push it too far or you don't like my opinions.... Block me!
The block button exists for a reason.
I won't be offended.
Quote: ams288If you think I push it too far or you don't like my opinions.... Block me!
The block button exists for a reason.
I won't be offended.
you may want to consider switching to decaf, caffeine won't be offended
Quote: MidwestAPyou may want to consider switching to decaf, caffeine won't be offended
I've never had a cup of coffee in my life. Yuck.
Should I start?
Quote: ams288If you think I push it too far or you don't like my opinions.... Block me!
The block button exists for a reason.
I won't be offended.
I do not have anyone blocked, and don't plan to in the future, but is a nice option. I enjoy reading your posts, for the most part. The questions I asked were of the other members, and the admins. I anticipated that you would not appreciate my post. I made it anyway, I thought it was a legitimate question, or proposition. I was making a point, that point being that one might question whether your last couple dozen posts might constitute "trolling" in the way it is loosely defined here on the forum. You didn't openly attack the forum administration ( which can get you nuked for trolling in a hurry, and rightfully so) but you seem to be pushing the envelope of what is acceptable behavior on the forum IMO. No one has chimed in to say I was right, or that I was wrong, at least that I've seen so far. Well, except you of course. It will play out, or possibly be simply ignored by anyone other than you. All OK. I mean no harm.
Quote: ams288I'm willing to bet there is some cheesy porn-spoof of that scene out there, albeit with much more attractive people playing those roles. Anyone remember "Nailin' Palin?"
My favorite: years ago I stumbled across an obviously (?) photoshopped pic where Ginger was caught "in flagrante delicto" fellating Gilligan.
Quote: MrVMy favorite: years ago I stumbled across an obviously (?) photoshopped pic where Ginger was caught "in flagrante delicto" fellating Gilligan.
OK, fellating is a legal scrabble word, I looked it up, or down, or in and out.
I still have an unanswered question, not that anyone owes me an answer or anything else..
The question was about Figure4 posts and/or previous ID's.
I checked the suspension list, no new entry there.
Maybe just as well? Crazy Feathers
Quote: TwoFeathersATLOK, fellating is a legal scrabble word, I looked it up, or down, or in and out.
I still have an unanswered question, not that anyone owes me an answer or anything else..
The question was about Figure4 posts and/or previous ID's.
I checked the suspension list, no new entry there.
Maybe just as well? Crazy Feathers
Think of what figure four could relate to. How about pile driver? No, that's not a reference to anyone's personal habits.
If you still don't know then wait for step over toehold to join the forum and ask him. Do it quickly though.
Quote: TwoFeathersATLOK, fellating is a legal scrabble word, I looked it up, or down, or in and out.
I still have an unanswered question, not that anyone owes me an answer or anything else..
The question was about Figure4 posts and/or previous ID's.
I checked the suspension list, no new entry there.
Maybe just as well? Crazy Feathers
I would bet on the identity being whoever JohnCena (the name of a popular or unpopular...depending on the day...pro wrestler) was...there was a "PDriver" (pile driver--a wrestling move) and now "figure4"...that is a leg lock submission move used in professional wrestling.
It could be that JC was a reincarnation of someone else, but the three recent ones seem tied together at the very least.
