Discussion about the Suspension List
It reminds me of the time a certain member who calls herself hot made the following unprovoked comment to another member: "You're an a**hole". The response was swift. An official warning. No suspension because she was "badgered". If she was badgered what do you call this?
DoubleOrNothing was not my favorite poster by a long shot. He rubbed some people the wrong way and I can't say that I'll miss him.
DoubleOrNothing was a member in good standing for over three and a half years with no prior disciplinary action that I could find.
DoubleOrNothing is now nuked for trolling, whatever that means. No warning, no 3, 7, 14 or 30 day suspension. Straight to nuke. I guess he rubbed somebody the wrong way once too often. I guess he didn't have "value".
Like him or not does this bother anyone?
Quote: 1BB
Like him or not does this bother anyone?
Not at all. If it was me, you or anyone else as well, I wouldn't give it a second thought. On the scale of importance in life, being able to post (banned members can still read) here might be one of the lowest ranked items possible.
ZCore13
Quote: 1BB...Like him or not does this bother anyone?
Maybe just LarryS.
Quote: 1BB
Like him or not does this bother anyone?
Only you.
Quote: RSNo one cares.
I'm not so sure. Just because it's another slow day and I'm the only one to bring it up doesn't mean that no one cares.
I see that you got your avatar working again. Now that's something we all care about.
Quote: IbeatyouracesJust like the casinos, this is private property and the owners/management/others have the right to exclude whomever they want without reason. Don't like it, hit the MFGD door!
Thanks for the advice. It was really helpful. Are you angry?
Forum Rule 13. Nuclear option. "This will be used sparingly for only the worst of trolls". I dare say if we could get a definition of "troll" many here would fit the bill, even some of our top posters.
Quote: 1BBThanks for the advice. It was really helpful. Are you angry?
Forum Rule 13. Nuclear option. "This will be used sparingly for only the worst of trolls". I dare say if we could get a definition of "troll" many here would fit the bill, even some of our top posters.
Not angry and my rant want directed toward you. And yes, I agree, with your last sentence.
BTW, I counted at least ten insults directed at the wizard by DoN, not to mention questioning his credibility. He needed to go.
Quote: IbeatyouracesNot angry and my rant want directed toward you. And yes, I agree, with your last sentence.
BTW, I counted at least ten insults directed at the wizard by DoN, not to mention questioning his credibility. He needed to go.
You don't think his 3 years and 9 months here count for anything? I'm not saying they do but not even a warning? As I said, not my favorite poster.
Quote: 1BBYou don't think his 3 years and 9 months here count for anything? I'm not saying they do but not even a warning? As I said, not my favorite poster.
Subtract a year and 9 months from that.
Insult me in my house, and you'd be history and not invited back too. And I don't care if it's a friend or not.
Quote: 1BB
Like him or not does this bother anyone?
Hell no, why should it. The fact that bannings
run your life is hilarious, though.
Quote: EvenBobHell no, why should it. The fact that bannings
run your life is hilarious, though.
You make a lot of assumptions.
Quote: 1BBYou don't think his 3 years and 9 months here count for anything? I'm not saying they do but not even a warning? As I said, not my favorite poster.
DoubleorNothing is Garnabby, a previously banned troll of much repute, not just here but on several other gambling boards. Garnabby made the unlinked DoN ID some time ago but posted sparingly and innocuously until the past several weeks. It took a while to suitably prove who it was, not just speculate IF it was. But I've been working on it for about a month, as DoN continued to deteriorate and earn a banning in his own right.
I fully support Wizard's banning of DoN just based on the insults contained in the criticism of him and this site. My info on the dupe ID was ready to justify the banning the same day Mike pulled the trigger. So DoN was gone one way or the other.
Quote: 1BBYou make a lot of assumptions.
Just commenting on the obvious..
I highly suspected he was a previously banned member, likely Garnbabby, but never had enough evidence to make that case. He at least knew how to use a proxy server. However, there was plenty to nuke him on without that.
Regarding him being a long-standing member, he was very inactive most of that time. If he had any redeeming features I might have taken that into account. However, ever post I can think of by DoN was an insult or an attack.
Finally, as I've said before, remember whose house you're in. Anybody with a modicum of manners doesn't come into somebody else's house/place of business/forum and incessantly attack the host. Buzz would have done well to remember that.
It has been asked several times how we define troll here at the WoV. Let me just say that DoN was the perfect example of one for the reasons I just stated. Trolls generally are familiar with how a forum is policed and never clearly cross the line in any one post but come close to the line in all of them. In other words, there is never one smoking gun post but the sum total of all their posts is a stinking pile of dung.
Quote: Wizard
Regarding him being a long-standing member, he was very inactive most of that time. .
It's a practice at GG, where he hangs out, to
sign up for multiple accounts and just sit on
them for years if you have to, then bring
them out as needed. It wouldn't surprise
me at all if Garnaby has other old accounts
here as well and you'll see him again. They
really can't stand it that the Wiz made good
money on a site they were banned from, it
drives them insane on GG. It also drives them
nuts that I'm still here, when to them, I should
have been the first one banned from the old
group at GG on WoV.
I don't know how to do all the trimming and stuff. Please forgive me if I broke some sort of protocol.
The HB Challenge was my absolute favorite thread. I logged on every day just to check it out. Even got a suspension out of it. Cost me 100 bucks too. The suspension list is number 2.
Somebody needs to start another challenge. Seriously. Somebody who is way overweight could help their health and bankroll too. Come on, somebody needs to lose some pounds.
Discuss, agree upon and implement some form of "treatment program," and take bets on whether they'll make it, and if not, how long til they backslide and slither back through the gaping maw of the casino.
Quote: texasplumrSomebody needs to start another challenge. Seriously. Somebody who is way overweight could help their health and bankroll too. Come on, somebody needs to lose some pounds.
I agree, there hasn't been a good challenge for a while. I'm open to doing one but it can't involve eating. Maybe something with a unicycle.
Quote: 1BBDoubleOrNothing is now nuked for trolling, whatever that means. No warning, no 3, 7, 14 or 30 day suspension. Straight to nuke. I guess he rubbed somebody the wrong way once too often. I guess he didn't have "value".
Like him or not does this bother anyone?
I think I have a solution for you which several members might even help you with though I make no promises for anyone..
When you start seeing someone of "value" appear to be getting close to getting nuked, contact the person openly, or you can PM and find out where they might be posting next on the Internet, so you don't miss their "value".
Most of the value you defend appears to be negative EV, but that's just my opinion.
So far as I'm concerned, no posters are entitled to any form of "due process", at least as the law would define it.
We are here at the whim of the owner / mods: rules are merely advisory.
There is no right to trial, no appointed advocate, no court of appeal.
True, we have this thread to discuss bannings and suspensions, but in the final analysis it's just a sop.
Quote: MrVOr maybe cast the net far and wide and find a member who admits he/she is a "problem gambler."
Discuss, agree upon and implement some form of "treatment program," and take bets on whether they'll make it, and if not, how long til they backslide and slither back through the gaping maw of the casino.
The problem with that is that addicted gamblers and drug users are liars. The lie to themselves and others about their problem and how they are/aren't handling it. People that are overweight are generally not in this same category.
ZCore13
Quote: Zcore13The problem with that is that addicted gamblers and drug users are liars. The lie to themselves and others about their problem and how they are/aren't handling it. People that are overweight are generally not in this same category.
ZCore13
It's pretty damn tough to lie about being fat. :)
Quote: rxwineI think I have a solution for you which several members might even help you with though I make no promises for anyone..
When you start seeing someone of "value" appear to be getting close to getting nuked, contact the person openly, or you can PM and find out where they might be posting next on the Internet, so you don't miss their "value".
Most of the value you defend appears to be negative EV, but that's just my opinion.
Thanks. I have found some members of "value" on other sites. The one and only member to be banned from this site by the new folks is now posting at DT. He's already on his second screen name there despite the rule stating that a ban on one site applies to both.
Then we have the author of this lovely quote. "I loaded some of my socks with rocks. And I went out and clubbed as many black mother %$^ I could find. I beat them black pieces of s**t into the ground". Many said that both of these gentlemen had value and many pleaded their cases to management, much like I do for others from time to time. There's really no difference other than the folks I went to bat for weren't popular. Right, JohnCena?
I believe that everyone here should be treated equally whether they're a big shot clique member or a lowly systems player. No one should be mocked or ridiculed for their ideas but they routinely are. System players are fair game, religion is fair game but don't you dare make a comment about someone's lifestyle.
Quote: GWAEYeah us fattys know what's up, just can't stop the bad habits. Gambling addicts deny the addict, and also can't stop.
Would you consider taking a weight loss challenge? Your writing skills would certainly keep it interesting. Maybe there could be two participants. Who else is fat out there?
No thong photos please. :-)
Quote: beachbumbabsJohnCena,
What ams288 is getting at is that this board, in general, does not appreciate people being labeled as "lesbian" or "gay" as derogative comments (or other words referring to people's sexuality). You've labeled Hillary Clinton as "lesbian" at least 5 times in this thread
Interesting, so somebody was warned because they called Hillary Clinton a "lesbian" and a member complained about it, yet the same member who complained about it then went ahead and called Matt Drudge "gay", but will the complainer get nuked for being guilty of the same thing? Doubt it..........................
Quote: ams288I'm allowed to make a joke about a hypocritical right-wing closeted gay anytime I feel like it.
Once again: get over it.
Quote: IbeatyouracesGot to love the people who's "first" post is a complaint in this thread.
Quite a tell isn't it?
ZCore13
Roger THATQuote: 1BBI dare say if we could get a definition of "troll" many here would fit the bill, even some of our top posters.
Quote: 1BB...Then we have the author of this lovely quote. "I loaded some of my socks with rocks. And I went out and clubbed as many black mother %$^ I could find. I beat them black pieces of s**t into the ground"...
You can find Mickey at Alan's forum going off on Rob Singer again. It's quite comical.
Quote: Zcore13Quite a tell isn't it?
ZCore13
Like the name isn't a give away of sorts...pile driver...wrestling...hmmm...
But there is a point--a person who says they are gay here can call someone gay who is not out; therefore we don't know that they are a gay and that person is okay. Calling Hillary "lesbian" with the same amount of proof draws a rebuke.
Is Hillary a lesbian? I don't think so, but I don't know for sure.
Is Drudge gay? No proof has been provided that would stand up in any court; just some accusations.
If we are to be fair, we should only call people who are out, or who can be proven to be homosexual, any term involving being homosexual. There is no valid reason for a double standard to exist.
LInk?Quote: IbeatyouracesYou can find Mickey at Alan's forum going off on Rob Singer again. It's quite comical.
Quote: petroglyphLInk?
http://forum.alanbestbuys.com/forumdisplay.php?14-Las-Vegas&s=764f5668105bcbc6435c26f0e3754754
thanksQuote: Ibeatyouraceshttp://forum.alanbestbuys.com/forumdisplay.php?14-Las-Vegas&s=764f5668105bcbc6435c26f0e3754754
Quote: GWAEYeah us fattys know what's up, just can't stop the bad habits. Gambling addicts deny the addict, and also can't stop.
We are talking in the discussion about the suspension list right?
Too much pro, and anti, and just about, sexual preferences.
Let's talk about drunks (cough). They are pretty good at denial, and can do so with a straight face if they can't even remember their transgressions ;-)
I mean it's sad to think about someone getting sanctioned for a post on the thread discussing sanctions.....
Quote: RonCLike the name isn't a give away of sorts...pile driver...wrestling...hmmm...
But there is a point--a person who says they are gay here can call someone gay who is not out; therefore we don't know that they are a gay and that person is okay. Calling Hillary "lesbian" with the same amount of proof draws a rebuke.
Is Hillary a lesbian? I don't think so, but I don't know for sure.
Is Drudge gay? No proof has been provided that would stand up in any court; just some accusations.
If we are to be fair, we should only call people who are out, or who can be proven to be homosexual, any term involving being homosexual. There is no valid reason for a double standard to exist.
If Cena had provided a link to a story about Hillary in a back and forth about being a lesbian with a celebrity website, it might have been similar.
I only started reading up on Drudge as Evenbob brought his site into it, and that's where I found the other link to Gawker.
Yeah, not the same. get over it.
Quote: IbeatyouracesGot to love the people who's "first" post is a complaint in this thread.
Hey, he's a long time lurker and a concerned
citizen, perfectly natural he would weigh
in on such an earth shattering topic like this.
Years ago, Gawker was the go-to site for people in the media.Quote: rxwineI only started reading up on Drudge as Evenbob brought his site into it, and that's where I found the other link to Gawker.
Quote: EvenBobHey, he's a long time lurker and a concerned
citizen, perfectly natural he would weigh
in on such an earth shattering topic like this.
Yeah, sure, whatever. And you're a winning roulette player in Indian casinos *rolls eyes*
Quote: rxwineIf Cena had provided a link to a story about Hillary in a back and forth about being a lesbian with a celebrity website, it might have been similar.
I only started reading up on Drudge as Evenbob brought his site into it, and that's where I found the other link to Gawker.
Yeah, not the same. get over it.
Nah, there are rumors about her, too...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/hillary-clinton-lesbian/
Unproven. Just like the ones about Drudge.
No need for me to get over anything.
Quote: 1BBThen we have the author of this lovely quote. "I loaded some of my socks with rocks. And I went out and clubbed as many black mother %$^ I could find. I beat them black pieces of s**t into the ground".
Mickey's about the only one I can remember who actually tried to apologize for being out of line with his comments.
Not that that makes up for that in particular.
I'd be on your side 1bb, but you're more like Ghandi for Internet trolling for the most part.
That's why no one cares, and likely why people will continue to not care.
Quote: RonCNah, there are rumors about her, too...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/hillary-clinton-lesbian/
Unproven. Just like the ones about Drudge.
No need for me to get over anything.
If you post a link, people can discuss the merits. How is that not different than Cena or anyone else who does that?
Quote: rxwineMickey's about the only one I can remember who actually tried to apologize for being out of line with his comments.
Not that that makes up for that in particular.
I'd be on your side 1bb, but you're more like Ghandi for Internet trolling for the most part.
That's why no one cares, and likely why people will continue to not care.
Yet you continue to respond. You didn't call me a troll did you? That's not like you.
As far as Mr. Crimm is concerned, sometimes an apology doesn't make it all better.
Quote: 1BBYet you continue to respond. You didn't call me a troll did you? That's not like you.
What does me responding have to do with it? I'm saying you seem to be the defender of Internet trolling by defending most of these people.
Had I seen a lot of innocents being stomped on, I'd side with you.
You don't need to apologize to a nuked member, and I don't really think he cares.Quote: 1BBAs far as Mr. Crimm is concerned, sometimes an apology doesn't make it all better.
