Discussion about the Suspension List
I don't think "one & done" spammers or reincarnations necessarily make the list. I'm not sure if any regulars have been suspended in a while.Quote: 1BBIs there a moratorium on adding names to the suspension list? Has the list become archaic? Is there reform in sight?
But with all the changes going on, who knows?
Yes, flagging still works. I am sure if it ever ceases there will be an announcement, so no need to worry. I am vaguely aware of how it works and how many of whom it takes to make it happen. While I am not at liberty to discuss the numbers (don't want work-arounds or abuse), I will say it's totally reasonable. If everyone who responds to troll posts or sends PM advisement were to instead flag it, you'd see a marked improvement in results. The numbers are a good mix of high enough to prevent abuse while still being quite useful if most participate. In short, it's not a flagging problem, rather a flagger problem. Hopefully the little experiment in-thread will encourage more use.
I will second the motion to cease responding to knuckleheads. Having their post alone is quite easy for me to bust and nuke. Once responses start, it requires a bit of surgery, surgery which I cannot complete on a phone (too dumb, not saying it's not possible). If, like the most recent, a poster goes ape-s#$% and there's intermixed quotes of him, all I can (trust myself to) do is ban the member and leave the posts until I can get to a PC. Between the Greens and the SA('s?), nonsense doesn't stand for long. Try to resist engaging in it.
No, I do not update The List with one & dones or reiterations. The Monkey has at least 17 puppets himself. I ain't wasting the time. Congrats to the rest for not adding to the list in 30 days. We needs a sign or something. It has been XX days without a workplace injury BanHammer incident.
I have a flag button for admins, but I've never pushed it. Now it's bothering me. I wonder what would happen...
Quote: FaceI have a flag button for admins, but I've never pushed it. Now it's bothering me. I wonder what would happen...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spontaneous_human_combustion
Quote: 1BBIt's easy to fix. The person who quoted you can simply delete the quote.
Thx 1BB,
Sometimes it's right there in my face and I still can't see it, slap me when necessary.
You asked a question that disappeared that I will try to answer below. My fault; I hit the wrong button without thinking when I was going to reply, and it's a one-way trip to the recycle bin.
Re: Face's comment about thread surgery.
We try to retain as much of a conversation as possible, including some comments other boards might delete, in the best overall interest of the board. In the particular case of the monkey, we have decided to just clean off his comments like we do a spammer, pertinent or not, while deleting his newest persona. But when people respond to him, especially quoting him but even just making responses either in-thread or when he starts a new thread and people respond, it's a lot harder to do it without fracturing the thread or deleting good members' comments worth retaining.
We can delete individual posts, and we can edit posts by anyone to remove quotes, links, obscenities, whatever needs to go. But that sometimes requires some thought and careful editing to respect the overall content. A lot of cut/paste/typing within posts, which is very hard to do on a tablet or smartphone. Much easier on PC.
Hope that helps answer your question. If not, please re-post or rephrase.
Quote: Face. The Monkey has at least 17 puppets himself. I ain't wasting the time.
Ugh. I'm assuming he's overtaken buzz by now? Hey at least mickeycrimm hasn't done this post-nuke. He's behaving on VPFree from what I can see. And god that forum sucks to navigate. Main reason I don't post there much.
Thanks, I believe I understand. And I'll add my own opinion that I think posting substantive responses to that kind of thing is usually unwise, on multiple levels.Quote: beachbumbabsDrawingDead,
You asked a question that disappeared that I will try to answer below. My fault; I hit the wrong button without thinking when I was going to reply, and it's a one-way trip to the recycle bin.
Re: Face's comment about thread surgery.
We try to retain as much of a conversation as possible, including some comments other boards might delete, in the best overall interest of the board. In the particular case of the monkey, we have decided to just clean off his comments like we do a spammer, pertinent or not, while deleting his newest persona. But when people respond to him, especially quoting him but even just making responses either in-thread or when he starts a new thread and people respond, it's a lot harder to do it without fracturing the thread or deleting good members' comments worth retaining.
We can delete individual posts, and we can edit posts by anyone to remove quotes, links, obscenities, whatever needs to go. But that sometimes requires some thought and careful editing to respect the overall content. A lot of cut/paste/typing within posts, which is very hard to do on a tablet or smartphone. Much easier on PC.
Hope that helps answer your question. If not, please re-post or rephrase.
But, here's a different kind of example that I had in mind. Yesterday one of the quasi-illiterate spammers supposedly peddling passports and whatnot showed up, or their autospam thingamajigger did. And having too much time on my hands for my own good at that moment I indulged myself in a snarky "reply" in the thread that briefly existed. I believe I asked him/her/it: "Are you a bot?" or somesuch, but without quoting anything from he, she, and/or it. Of course I expected my indulgent "reply" to soon be swimming with the same fishes as the obviously ridiculous spam in the original post, and the thread was efficiently assassinated shortly after. In that case, did my silly remark make extra work for someone?
Quote: tringlomaneUgh. I'm assuming he's overtaken buzz by now?
More than trebled buzz's count, easily.
Quote: BBBRe: Face's comment about thread surgery.
Bab's nailed it, every bit. It's that "careful editing" that's just too much a faff to do by phone.
Quote: DrawingDeadIn that case, did my silly remark make extra work for someone?
Technically yes, but that example turns a 4 click job into a 5 or 6 click job because the structure of your comment allowed it to be tossed with the other nonsense. But many people make their one-off comment, then continue on topic. That means editing to pare the nonsense from the substance, and editing by phone is dreadful. You get 2, 3, 10 more people piling on, and I ain't touching it until I get home
I promise that any such future replies will be utterly incomprehensible but thoroughly revolting nonsense, which nobody will ever want to continue and try to extend into anything substantive that could possibly be mistaken for worthwhile. Or, I'll just skip the indulgent teasing in spam threads that nobody including the spammer ever looks at. Yeah, okay, guess I'll go with that second choice, and spare the innocent little electrons for something else.
Thanks again for taking the time to enlighten me.
Good. I was thinking of trying yo contact him. I saw a travel deal to Great Falls recently. He did say he would show any WoV member his plays as long as they didn't horn in on his turf, right?Quote: tringlomaneUgh. I'm assuming he's overtaken buzz by now? Hey at least mickeycrimm hasn't done this post-nuke. He's behaving on VPFree from what I can see. And god that forum sucks to navigate. Main reason I don't post there much.
Is it permitable to criticize a public figure on your bulletin board? I ask you this because someone trashed my guy Donald Trump by calling hiim a 'cancer' which is very offensive to me because my grandfather died of prostate cancer 8 years ago but I did not complain to any one because Donald Trump is public figure and can be criticized.
But then when I criticized Hillary Clinton I got a warning no to criticize her. How come on your board it is ok to call someone a cancer which is very offensive to people with cancer and that goes unwarned? Here is where Donald Trump is called terminal cancer https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/off-topic/15693-2016-election/280/#post474963
I just posted a link to this article about Hillary Clinton so if i get suspended for this I would like you to email me and please tell me why. https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/off-topic/15693-2016-election/311/#post476741 I only want to hear from JOSHUA CHAN not any of the other moderator because he is the OWNER here
Thank you Mr Chan.
Quote: JohnCenaDear Joshua Chan,
Is it permitable to criticize a public figure on your bulletin board? I ask you this because someone trashed my guy Donald Trump by calling hiim a 'cancer' which is very offensive to me because my grandfather died of prostate cancer 8 years ago but I did not complain to any one because Donald Trump is public figure and can be criticized.
But then when I criticized Hillary Clinton I got a warning no to criticize her. How come on your board it is ok to call someone a cancer which is very offensive to people with cancer and that goes unwarned? Here is where Donald Trump is called terminal cancer https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/off-topic/15693-2016-election/280/#post474963
I just posted a link to this article about Hillary Clinton so if i get suspended for this I would like you to email me and please tell me why. https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/off-topic/15693-2016-election/311/#post476741 I only want to hear from JOSHUA CHAN not any of the other moderator because he is the OWNER here
Thank you Mr Chan.
Where did you get a warning? The rules here are you can't personally attack a current forum member in good standing. Non members are fair game as long as there is no profanity and the information presented can be backed up with proof.
On a side note, if you were to have an issue while staying at the Wynn, would you refuse to talk to anyone else except Steve Wynn himsef? How about if you got some below part service at your local Walmart. Only a Walton would do? That's ridiculous to demand to speak to the owner here (if he's even the owner which I don't think he is).
Pretty silly.
ZCore13
By the way, Johncena has not been suspended, just warned
Quote: JohnCenaLemme guess. You're gonna vote for the dumbazz lesiban Hillary right? Lemme guess u alreadyy voted for that crackhead Obama right?
Just save yourself some trouble and come to your senses my brotha. u talking about some old poll but obvously didn't read that poll I just showed u because that poll showed the Trumpster had a very high approval rating. Don't do something stupid and vote for that lesbian Hillary!
Quote: JohnCenaSo there you are ams! Don't go runnin away my brotha! You scared to death that the Trumpster is gonna your lesbian Hillarys ass!!!!
Quote: JohnCenaPlease no one wants that fat ass Christie. And Rand Pauls acting very very gay.
Just wise up and vote Trump my brotha!!
Here is BBB warning.
Quote: beachbumbabsJohnCena,
What ams is getting at is that this board, in general, does not appreciate people being labeled as "lesbian" or "gay" as derogative comments (or other words referring to people's sexuality). You've labeled Hillary Clinton as "lesbian" at least 5 times in this thread, and now you're labeling Rand Paul as "gay", each time as a derogative characterization not necessary to the conversation. It is reminiscent of childhood bullying for many of us, and has previously led to suspensions and nuking when directed against other members. You've been just inside - technically - the rules on this so far, which is why I haven't issued a warning or suspension. But since you continue to do it, and don't take a hint from another member, I will ask you to stop including those types of references in your posts. Thanks.
I agree with BBB.
Kind of telling that Johncena did not copy his posts in his complaint to the new owner to let the owner know exactly what is going on.
Instead he complains that people use the word "cancer" but its all right by him to call Rand Paul "gay". By the way Rand is not gay, just to set the record straight.
I think BBB was concerned that his insult methodology may move into the use of the same insults against members
To complain about a warning to the new owner , geez. just move on.
ZCore13
Quote: IbeatyouracesMaybe he's trying to stay in Kayfabe.
No idea what Kayfabe is, IBYA. 'Splain, please?
Quote: beachbumbabsNo idea what Kayfabe is, IBYA. 'Splain, please?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kayfabe
Liberals do not like it when you criticize liberals. Name-calling is unacceptable.
Of course, you can criticize conservatives all you want. And name-calling is A-OK.
I'm used to this double standard. Soon you will be, too.
Quote: HowManyHey Cena- the answer is simple.
Liberals do not like it when you criticize liberals. Name-calling is unacceptable.
Of course, you can criticize conservatives all you want. And name-calling is A-OK.
I'm used to this double standard. Soon you will be, too.
HowMany,
Since you feel the need to make these uninformed comments, let me refer you to what I said to JohnCena, twice now (the first is above in terapined's post; not willing to post it twice).
Quote: JohnCena
So he can shamelessly insult my guy Trump but I can't insutl his little Hillary? whatever
Quote: beachbumbabsYou need to read what I said again, please. In short: If you want to insult a candidate, feel free to do so, but we'd prefer you not use sexuality labels to do so. That is an issue here, not of your making, but you're new, so I'm telling you it's a problem. What you do in response is up to you.
As you can see, if you can read what I actually said, I am not stopping him from insulting candidates he doesn't like. I have asked him, twice now, not to use "gay", "lesbian", and the like as insults here. He does not seem to understand the difference; I hope that you do.
Sincerely,
D. Dead
Original Founding Executive Deputy Vice-President of the
Vast Right-Wing Anti-Clinton Conspiracy, and
Assistant Secretary Treasurer of Un-Hip Non-Reformed Republican Neandertals
Quote: beachbumbabsAs you can see, if you can read what I actually said, I am not stopping him from insulting candidates he doesn't like. I have asked him, twice now, not to use "gay", "lesbian", and the like as insults here. He does not seem to understand the difference; I hope that you do.
I think that we spend more time on the notion of insulting or not than on just constructively cleaning ourselves up, and the ones immediately around us.
A matter of taking the harder-to-understand path (on the face of things) over the easier ones placed in front of us by others.
Quote: Zcore13I wonder if anyone has ever been nuked for continually posting complete nonsense and adding no value to the site even though they are technically not breaking any rules?
I do believe that has happened. As far as nonsense, that is subjective.
Quote: Zcore13I wonder if anyone has ever been nuked for continually posting complete nonsense and adding no value to the site even though they are technically not breaking any rules?
That would be a long list.
Quote: 1BBAs far as nonsense, that is subjective.
True.
Quote: HowManyHey Cena- the answer is simple.
Liberals do not like it when you criticize liberals. Name-calling is unacceptable.
Of course, you can criticize conservatives all you want. And name-calling is A-OK.
I'm used to this double standard. Soon you will be, too.
Its not about that at all.
In previous posts, I actually tried to help JohnCena continue to insult Hillary Clinton.
I told him to check out evenbobs posts regarding Hillary.
Everybody here knows evenbob cant stand Hillary.
He has a humongous number of posts insulting Hillary. They are funny and much more clever then what Johncena posted.
Insulting Hillary if fine. She's a politician. Comes with the territory.
No reason to get in the gutter though, I think everybody here does not want to see the board get to that point.
As to Johncena being offended by the word "cancer" used to insult.
Conservative Republican Presidential Candidate Rick Perry started it, not libs.
"Donald Trump's candidacy is a cancer on conservatism, and it must be clearly diagnosed, excised and discarded. It cannot be pacified or ignored, for it will destroy a set of principles that has lifted more people out of poverty than any force in the history of the civilized world - the cause of conservatism." "
Quote: tringlomaneUgh. I'm assuming he's overtaken buzz by now? Hey at least mickeycrimm hasn't done this post-nuke. He's behaving on VPFree from what I can see. And god that forum sucks to navigate. Main reason I don't post there much.
Vpfree forum has nuggets of info every now and then but I agree the format is extremely sucky and needs a revamp, looks like a BBS board from 1995. Some of the threads quote the original thread like 10 times, and I can't click and go back to the main forum. I also have to keep clicking show threads instead of posts to know who is talking about what. Also the dates have to be checked because I ran into a great double 4oak promo I was going to play until I found out it was from 2002.
/rant mode off
I guess it just depends on what you're used to. The vpFREE forum is just another Yahoo Group like thousands (?) of others.Quote: djatcVpfree forum has nuggets of info every now and then but I agree the format is extremely sucky and needs a revamp, looks like a BBS board from 1995. Some of the threads quote the original thread like 10 times, and I can't click and go back to the main forum. I also have to keep clicking show threads instead of posts to know who is talking about what. Also the dates have to be checked because I ran into a great double 4oak promo I was going to play until I found out it was from 2002.
I think you'd be a lot happier with it if you got individual emails from the forum and just read them in your inbox. Or have them go to a separate folder and read them whenever. Then only go to the site when you want to look up an older post. I very rarely have to do that.
Quote: HowManyHey Cena- the answer is simple.
Liberals do not like it when you criticize liberals. Name-calling is unacceptable.
Of course, you can criticize conservatives all you want. And name-calling is A-OK.
I'm used to this double standard. Soon you will be, too.
And this board extends this double standard to Christian/non as well.
There are other threads for other topics.
Anyone get suspended?
Quote: TwoFeathersATLThis is still the thread where one should go to discuss the suspension list, yes?
There are other threads for other topics.
Anyone get suspended?
Heh. You beat me to it. Thanks.
Quote: tes3355I guess it just depends on what you're used to. The vpFREE forum is just another Yahoo Group like thousands (?) of others.
I think you'd be a lot happier with it if you got individual emails from the forum and just read them in your inbox. Or have them go to a separate folder and read them whenever. Then only go to the site when you want to look up an older post. I very rarely have to do that.
What you're saying is right but I don't want 100 emails about a 2 for 1 buffet lol. A lot of information worth reading is in the noise, not just ap but lots of other fields in general on forums.
I used to go to a deals forum and a lot of explanations and really good deals were on the obscure posts buried in garbage threads. If you sift through them you can usually find a great deal, better than the main site.
Quote: TwoFeathersATLThis is still the thread where one should go to discuss the suspension list, yes?
There are other threads for other topics.
Anyone get suspended?
Quote: Mission146Heh. You beat me to it. Thanks.
See what happens when nobody gets suspended for a month and a half? The thread gets hijacked! Time to break out the BanHammer! I think I saw GreasyJohn use 'poop' in his post a few pages back. He deleted it, of course, but you and I know nothing is ever really "deleted." I say make GJ pay for his transgressions. The integrity of the DATSL thread depends on it! ;)
Or maybe I can just start another dice setting thread...
Quote: JoemanSee what happens when nobody gets suspended for a month and a half? The thread gets hijacked! Time to break out the BanHammer! I think I saw GreasyJohn use 'poop' in his post a few pages back. He deleted it, of course, but you and I know nothing is ever really "deleted." I say make GJ pay for his transgressions. The integrity of the DATSL thread depends on it! ;)
Or maybe I can just start another dice setting thread...
I have to admit, sadly, that I set up Greasyjohn and he just fell for the entrapment.
Suspend me if necessary, just to keep things on an even keel. Obviously I trolled Gj.
I will not sign up as a dozen different demented new members during my suspension.
But I might come back pissed, joke pls...
Quote: Zcore13I'm not really sure how much of a gambling forum it is. 8 of the top 9 most popular threads of all time are not gambling related. It may be a general discussion forum with a sub category for gambling.
ZCore13
I believe this still holds true. The top threads are no longer displayed on the home page as they were with the old format. I don't know if that's by design or if it's an oversight. It was fun to have that information.
I do know that the Hot Blonde Challenge thread was recently bumped from that list.
Quote: terapinedHere is the history of some of the JohnCena posts BBB was referring to
By the way, Johncena has not been suspended, just warned
Here is BBB warning.
I agree with BBB.
Kind of telling that Johncena did not copy his posts in his complaint to the new owner to let the owner know exactly what is going on.
Instead he complains that people use the word "cancer" but its all right by him to call Rand Paul "gay". By the way Rand is not gay, just to set the record straight.
I think BBB was concerned that his insult methodology may move into the use of the same insults against members
To complain about a warning to the new owner , geez. just move on.
I did not complain about cancer. That is what I told Joshua Chan too. maybe you have not had some family die of cancer but I have. My grandfather died of prostrate cancer and calling Donald Trump terminal cancer is offensive but I did not complain but he did not get warned
Quote: HowManyHey Cena- the answer is simple.
Liberals do not like it when you criticize liberals. Name-calling is unacceptable.
Of course, you can criticize conservatives all you want. And name-calling is A-OK.
I'm used to this double standard. Soon you will be, too.
Thank you for telling me sir. You are right somebody called Donald Trump terminal cancer but he did not get warned but I did after I insulted Hillary which is exactly like you say
Quote: JohnCenaI did not complain about cancer. That is what I told Joshua Chan too. maybe you have not had some family die of cancer but I have. My grandfather died of prostrate cancer and calling Donald Trump terminal cancer is offensive but I did not complain but he did not get warned
Calling Trump a "terminal cancer" is not an insult to cancer victims; it is a description of what a writer may think he will be to the party's nomination process.
I get that people die of cancer, just like people die from gunshots. The politically correct got all over one side for using maps with targets (as in "targeting" an area for heavy activity) after someone was shot. Everyone described that as a horrible thing bringing about gun violence; in reality, it was just a way of pinpointing areas for focused activity. Much ado about nothing. I feel the same about the "terminal cancer" comment--it describes what he may be in the process and does not insult the many folks I know, here and gone, that face cancer.
Describing someone in homophobic terms is different--you are directly calling them something that they aren't in terms that aren't acceptable to most people.
Saying negative things about Hillary is not the same as calling her a homophobic name. I've insulted her many times, and you can do the same.
Just my two cents, but I'd hate to see you banned...
Quote: DeMangoAnd this board extends this double standard to Christian/non as well.
Only God can determine there is no God. (So, God exists.)
Quote: DeMangoA long time ago Blaise Pascal was asked what proof do we have that God exists. His answer was "The Jews"
There just as white as I am, well, except for Sammy Davis, Jr.
Quote: DeMangoHis answer was "The Jews"
I guess he wasn't referring to gambling forums?
Quote: RonC
Saying negative things about Hillary is not the same as calling her a homophobic name. I've insulted her many times, and you can do the same.
Just my two cents, but I'd hate to see you banned...
Sorry my brotha but saying gay or lesbian is not a homophobic word! Duhhhhhhhh!
So you just LIED by saying I said a homephobic name!!
Quote: JohnCenaSorry my brotha but saying gay or lesbian is not a homophobic word! Duhhhhhhhh!
I can't stand the term "homophobic" or "homophobia". It implies that you're scared of homosexuals, not hating them. A phobia is the fear of something, not hatred of it.
Quote: JohnCenaSorry my brotha but saying gay or lesbian is not a homophobic word! Duhhhhhhhh!
So you just LIED by saying I said a homephobic name!!
Enough. Goodbye.
Wow I have no idea what happened here? I was looking for the part where he was "warned" for berating Hillary. I am still looking for the reason he got the bab's-hammer. I cant see anything to far out of line. What am I missing?Quote: beachbumbabsEnough. Goodbye.
PS. He should have been nuked long ago for simply using the term "my brotha!" That was enough to realize he was going to be a problem.
Quote:
PS. He should have been nuked long ago for simply using the term "my brotha!" That was enough to realize he was going to be a problem.[/q
+1Stupid is a choice
Quote: AxelWolfWow I have no idea what happened here? I was looking for the part where he was "warned" for berating Hillary. I am still looking for the reason he got the bab's-hammer. I cant see anything to far out of line. What am I missing?
PS. He should have been nuked long ago for simply using the term "my brotha!" That was enough to realize he was going to be a problem.
What happened to the transparency that we used to hear about? JohnCena's name has been red for 12 hours. No entry to the suspension list, no explanation or reason given. Is that a 3 day suspension? All I saw was a guy promoting his candidate. Did he rub someone the wrong way?
He's been a member for 3 weeks and has 34 posts. He's not a one shot poster. "Enough. Goodbye." That's it?
