Discussion about the Suspension List
Quote: Mission146I was making the argument that gambling is not expressly a sin, and is, in fact, interpreted by some Christians (particularly Catholics) as not a sin if done in moderation.
I didn't state that you weren't; or overlook your points.
But, again, your as-anecdotal points then (arguing it the other way) are irrelevant to the argument that the religions which explicitly didn't/don't mention gambling at all, or were understandably unable to foresee/grasp the modern "fleece mills", intuitively or in Wizard-like unwritten general terms if you will still realized gambling was clearly of little merit to anything. Let alone to divine laws or purposes of immortal import.
Like neither the ancient Greek mathematicians wrote anything about it, then it notably wasn't worth the mention. They knew that they were snubbing it over, surely. Wasn't going to amount to anything in math terms either. The same reasons that the gambling math failed to blossom into anything here, eg, or a lot of the other real science related to gambling in specific and general.
True gambling addicts, or those pushing a gambling site, begin to see everything as "one long session" in every way. They can't turn it off long enough to realize they're not accomplishing anything much by the casino variety of risk taking. Except of course, by proving how little value in it by availing themselves of the other ones not equipped however to realize this for themselves.
Modern industrialized gambling tried to popularize it in the way and extent that religion and mathematics snubbed it. Fad status of affairs.
Doesn't matter to me one way or other. I have no "dog in the fight". However, I like to understand what immortality is about, gods or no gods.
Quote: WizardThe 500th page of this thread is coming up! Makes me miss the HotBlonde challenge.
Sarcasm, I hope...
I thought it was required.Quote: Mission146I was making the argument that gambling is not expressly a sin, and is, in fact, interpreted by some Christians (particularly Catholics) as not a sin if done in moderation.
But I am easily confused, and my reading on the topic is a bit rusty.Quote: God (or offspring thereof) @Mathew 22:21 & Mark 12:16Render unto Ceasars...
Quote: AcesAndEightsHoly crap Buzzard got nuked?!
Took you awhile. Lol
May be the only banning Zuga has given so far. And justified imo considering all his former passes. He definitely toed the line with me personally but was never punished for doing so. I can count the members that have done that to me on one hand as I generally try not to cause conflict.
Quote: odiousgambitbelieve it or not, I got a kick out of Buzzard and I really think all the stuff that got him in trouble were attempts to be funny that unfortunately broke the rules
I don't think anyone would say that Buzz is a bad person however he was relentless in his crusade against Zuga. Ironically, if anyone had had Zuga's back when it first started and nipped this in the bud, Buzz might still be a member in good standing. Instead it was allowed to escalate and Zuga was left to handle it on his own, an unenviable position for him to be put in.
Quote: 1BBI don't think anyone would say that Buzz is a bad person however
I can't defend everything he did; he was being told to cool it and couldn't care less.
Still, to me, he had me chuckling, the shots he was taking.
Quote: anewgirlI sometimes read this forum because my late husband was a wizard fan who often quoted some of the things he read here. Of current interest is that about six years ago we both met Mr. Crimm at a small bar in Montana. I don't believe that's his real name but that's the we came to know him by.
I've seen some different characterizations about him, but my belief based on actually meeting him is that he's someone who knows the low limit gaming in his state well, he's a chain smoker, he holds his liquor well and does use profanity freely, and he tells more stories in limited time than Shirley Temple could come up with. He's very entertaining.
I've never met anyone in Montana that participates in the internet gambling forums. In subsequent posts some of u think this poster was TK. He could have named the bar we met in but didnt. He could have mentioned that I roll cigarettes but didnt. I get it from people all the time. "If you make so much money then why do you roll cigsrettes?" I smoke a rather expensive form of rolling tobacco called Drum. Its halfzware shag, a blend of Kentucky Dark and Virginia Light. Its the crack cocaine of cigarette tobacco. And yes I hold my liquor well until about the 20th shot. Then I go home and make obscene posts on WOV. I dont blame anyone but myself for my suspensions. I've never made a sober post I was suspended for.
I'm about 10 days into this road trip. Kerkebet, I'm averaging $622 a day on this trip. Eat your heart out, buddy.
Quote: mickeycrimmEat your heart out, buddy.
Who said I have a heart.
Quote: 1BBI don't think anyone would say that Buzz is a bad person however he was relentless in his crusade against Zuga. Ironically, if anyone had had Zuga's back when it first started and nipped this in the bud, Buzz might still be a member in good standing. Instead it was allowed to escalate and Zuga was left to handle it on his own, an unenviable position for him to be put in.
This is really both untrue and a distortion of what happened. As are your allegations of people being others' "darlings", (one of many similar posts is above this one I quoted) and the rest of your slimy-toned posts. You just say this stuff without any idea of the context, always critical of the moderation here, looking to cause problems among the moderators. Gets really tiresome.
Most of what happened with Buzz happened out of the forum's public eye and so is not discussable. It's also, in fact, not your business. But I will agree with the others that think it's sad that he's gone. I think his intent was to amuse and participate as sort of an eccentric uncle here, and he was not here to be mean or insulting, though at times it read that way.
I also think it's sad that you use his situation as a way of saying slimy things about us on here. He's the last person who would appreciate your false sympathy.
Quote: beachbumbabsThis is really both untrue and a distortion of what happened. As are your allegations of people being others' "darlings", (one of many similar posts is above this one I quoted) and the rest of your slimy-toned posts. You just say this stuff without any idea of the context, always critical of the moderation here, looking to cause problems among the moderators. Gets really tiresome.
Most of what happened with Buzz happened out of the forum's public eye and so is not discussable. It's also, in fact, not your business. But I will agree with the others that think it's sad that he's gone. I think his intent was to amuse and participate as sort of an eccentric uncle here, and he was not here to be mean or insulting, though at times it read that way.
I also think it's sad that you use his situation as a way of saying slimy things about us on here. He's the last person who would appreciate your false sympathy.
I don't think you're quite comprehending what 1BB is saying here (or else I'm not comprehending it). But from the way I read it, looks like 1BB is defending Zuga.
bull s. He is a good guy but he wasn't trying to be funny. He had a bone to pick and picked it dry and then picked agian.Quote: odiousgambitbelieve it or not, I got a kick out of Buzzard and I really think all the stuff that got him in trouble were attempts to be funny that unfortunately broke the rules
Quote: odiousgambitbelieve it or not, I got a kick out of Buzzard and I really think all the stuff that got him in trouble were attempts to be funny that unfortunately broke the rules
I feel the same way. I will miss him, but after reading some of his final posts I can't blame the staff for banning him. I don't think he had malicious intent but he would not stop poking the bear.
he certainly went 'way back', that was interesting
Quote: beachbumbabsThis is really both untrue and a distortion of what happened. As are your allegations of people being others' "darlings", (one of many similar posts is above this one I quoted) and the rest of your slimy-toned posts. You just say this stuff without any idea of the context, always critical of the moderation here, looking to cause problems among the moderators. Gets really tiresome.
Most of what happened with Buzz happened out of the forum's public eye and so is not discussable. It's also, in fact, not your business. But I will agree with the others that think it's sad that he's gone. I think his intent was to amuse and participate as sort of an eccentric uncle here, and he was not here to be mean or insulting, though at times it read that way.
I also think it's sad that you use his situation as a way of saying slimy things about us on here. He's the last person who would appreciate your false sympathy.
Really? Slimy-toned? If you want to say that 1BB is trolling you and suspend him, you could probably do that. Personally insulting him was not a good choice.
Quote: beachbumbabsThis is really both untrue and a distortion of what happened. As are your allegations of people being others' "darlings", (one of many similar posts is above this one I quoted) and the rest of your slimy-toned posts. You just say this stuff without any idea of the context, always critical of the moderation here, looking to cause problems among the moderators. Gets really tiresome.
Most of what happened with Buzz happened out of the forum's public eye and so is not discussable. It's also, in fact, not your business. But I will agree with the others that think it's sad that he's gone. I think his intent was to amuse and participate as sort of an eccentric uncle here, and he was not here to be mean or insulting, though at times it read that way.
I also think it's sad that you use his situation as a way of saying slimy things about us on here. He's the last person who would appreciate your false sympathy.
I was wondering why Mike or someone didn't step in and send Buzz a PM asking him to cool it.Quote: 1BBI don't think anyone would say that Buzz is a bad person however he was relentless in his crusade against Zuga. Ironically, if anyone had had Zuga's back when it first started and nipped this in the bud, Buzz might still be a member in good standing. Instead it was allowed to escalate and Zuga was left to handle it on his own, an unenviable position for him to be put in.
Whatever the case, I have a feeling as long as Buzz remained with no personal contact with Zuga he wouldn't ever be able to stop himself.
I'm still not sure what Buzz had against Zuga, especially since Zuga kept everything the same and hasn't really had a noticeable presence here.
Quote: RSI don't think you're quite comprehending what 1BB is saying here (or else I'm not comprehending it). But from the way I read it, looks like 1BB is defending Zuga.
It's always poor Buzz. There's never a mention of the dozens of insults and vulgarities that he was allowed to get away with in over 12,000 posts. There's no talk of the awful treatment that Zuga, his employees and the site that bought this site has endured from this so called "eccentric uncle" There is no spin that can erase that. Zuga bent over backwards where Buzz was concerned and it was all for naught. That says a lot about the man. He really tried.
I point out the facts, am called a liar and once again receive personal insults from a moderator. My policy is to not respond to anyone who insults me, calls my character into question or tries to bait me. I will always take the high road and will never resort to trading personal insults with anyone.
These latest insults were real doozies and I don't know how they will be handled. I do want remind those in charge of my longstanding request to not suspend anyone who insults me.
I missed the part where you were called a liar, could you post the quote?Quote: 1BBI point out the facts, am called a liar
How were you personally insulted? Was it the part about slimy comments?Quote:once again receive personal insults
If that is your policy, and you were insulted, why are you replying?Quote:My policy is to not respond to anyone who insults me,
And yet you feel comfortalble deriding Buzz who can't even be here to defend himself.Quote:I will always take the high road and will never resort to trading personal insults with anyone.
You didn't understand Buzz. But I am sure if he didn't like you, he had a reason without me going back and reading the thousands of comments. If you would like to quote some of his most insulting comments toward you it would make understanding your suffering easier.
I think Buzz is/was a martyr of sorts. One would have to have read books like "The Jungle" or "The people's republic" or the Ludlow massacre to get an understanding of why he feels like he does. Buzz, and those like him are the reason why, men will get out of a trench and rush machine gun fire. You seem to me to be more of the kind that sits in a bunker miles away from the battle making decisions and playing war games on a board. Or making snide comments about a volunteer moderator who gives of themself freely so the rest of us can come to the cleanest gambling site on the web. Part of the reason this site is so popular is because of BBB, love her or hate her, that is a fact.
If Buzz still reads here, I hope he and his lovely wife are doing well.
Quote: petroglyphI missed the part where you were called a liar, could you post the quote? How were you personally insulted? Was it the part about slimy comments? If that is your policy, and you were insulted, why are you replying? And yet you feel comfortalble deriding Buzz who can't even be here to defend himself.
You didn't understand Buzz. But I am sure if he didn't like you, he had a reason without me going back and reading the thousands of comments. If you would like to quote some of his most insulting comments toward you it would make understanding your suffering easier.
I think Buzz is/was a martyr of sorts. One would have to have read books like "The Jungle" or "The people's republic" or the Ludlow massacre to get an understanding of why he feels like he does. Buzz, and those like him are the reason why, men will get out of a trench and rush machine gun fire. You seem to me to be more of the kind that sits in a bunker miles away from the battle making decisions and playing war games on a board. Or making snide comments about a volunteer moderator who gives of themself freely so the rest of us can come to the cleanest gambling site on the web. Part of the reason this site is so popular is because of BBB, love her or hate her, that is a fact.
If Buzz still reads here, I hope he and his lovely wife are doing well.
Another circle the wagons post. Read all the posts and you'll find the answers to your questions.
In the meantime feel free to insult my military service. Did you serve? Did you experience combat? I would never make assumptions but if you had served you would not have made those bunker remarks. How dare you judge me. Would you like to trade war stories?
By the way, Buzz always spoke of himself as a Vietnam Era veteran which is code for never having been in country. I thank him for his service and I also hope he is doing well. We can all ask him the next time he posts here.
Quote: 1BBI will always take the high road and will never resort to trading personal insults with anyone..
These latest insults were real doozies and I don't know how they will be handled. I do want remind those in charge of my longstanding request to not suspend anyone who insults me.
The high road. That's the road with no subtext. Or if you want someone's head on the platter, you just say you want her head.
I think you confuse the guile road with the high road.
Quote: rxwineThe high road. That's the road with no subtext. Or if you want someone's head on the platter, you just say you want her head.
I think you confuse the guile road with the high road.
High road it is. Thank you for your comments.
Equally bizarre are those who nominate themselves to be perpetual forum "rules" lawyers, apparently in the strange belief that judgment, or what use to be referred to as plain ordinary common sense, should not and cannot be used by those publishing their remarks, and if they find just the right punctuation in some "rule" it should compel others to do what the self-appointed forum lawyer commands, instead of what they wish to do with their money on their property.
and he over-poked. What's the big
mystery.
I'm open to unnuking SAP if he submits to binding arbitration by anybody mutually agreeable between Aye and himself.
This incident does not necessary set a precedent. Forum management still wishes to not get involved in friendly bets between forum members and urges everybody to be ladies and gentlemen and pay any lost wagers in a timely manner.
Quote: WizardOne of the secret admins felt so strongly over StrictlyAP welching on a bet that he took it upon himself to nuke him himself. Before, said secret admin gave three of the other "green" admins the option to overrule him, and none of use chose to do so.
I'm open to unnuking SAP if he submits to binding arbitration by anybody mutually agreeable between Aye and himself.
This incident does not necessary set a precedent. Forum management still wishes to not get involved in friendly bets between forum members and urges everybody to be ladies and gentlemen and pay any lost wagers in a timely manner.
Hear hear!
Quote: AcesAndEightsHear hear!
I didn't realize we still had secret administrators. Just went through the thread to see who it could be. It didn't take long. Light-bulb moment!
Do you think the thread will now come to a close?
Quote: WizardThis incident does not necessary set a precedent. Forum management still wishes to not get involved in friendly bets between forum members and urges everybody to be ladies and gentlemen and pay any lost wagers in a timely manner.
I think the precedent that should be set is that you cannot come on this board and openly say that you won't pay a bet, you won't say why, and you won't attempt to find a solution (arbitration or something like that). This particular poster flaunted the fact he would not pay for some reason.
don't let him back.
Quote: AcesAndEightsHear hear!
My thoughts exactly. "Conduct unbecoming", which if it isn't a rule, ought to be.
Note that I don't think the welch constituted conduct unbecoming.
Quote: RonCI think the precedent that should be set is that you cannot come on this board and openly say that you won't pay a bet, you won't say why, and you won't attempt to find a solution (arbitration or something like that). This particular poster flaunted the fact he would not pay for some reason.
Maybe it is good that welchers do that, so others will know not to trust him.
It was obvious from his posts that he was not a serious advantage player.
Quote: KerkebetOf course, intentions are a factor. However, one's other misdemeanors and/or achievements bear no witness in any civilized court of law. A judge will tell you, "No slam dunks in my court." Should the OJ's and Cosby's get off because they did something which a minority of the population feels is redeeming?
Furthermore, "People will hang themselves given enough rope." I for one didn't believe the majority of mc's stories; and his constant rants call into question the rest.
Protect him/her from him/herself to try to save the presumed collective "want to believe", but do so at great cost to where this board was/is heading... another form of entitlement.
Nor is distinguishing between the AP's and the ploppies or squares the route to go. The worst thing you can do is to wise up the suckers, if it's your misguided intent to avail yourself of them.
You bring up many valid points, Kerkebet. How the hell could anyone know if its real? I know its real for me. But how the hell can I convey that to anyone else? There is no hope in that respect unless I take you kids by the hand, put you on the plays, and tell you:
"DO WHAT I SAY TO DO, KID!. YOU PLAY THE GAME WHEN I SAY YOU PLAY THE GAME! YOU QUIT PLAYING THE GAME WHEN I SAY YOU QUIT PLAYING THE GAME! IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT KID I WILL STOMP A MUDHOLE IN YOUR ASS!"
But that is the speech you kind folks are going to get if you are ever instructed by Mickey Crimm. I will explain to you why you have to do things my way. I don't want to hear your stupid rookie arguments. Do it my way or get the hell our of here. I won't tolerate you. You can't fix perfection, folks, so don't even try.
Kerkebet, I'm feeling my age. I had another few towns to hit on my road trip. But I blew them off and made a beeline for Great Falls, Montana. Home, Sweet, Home. I walked right into That Bar, and right up into all my friends, and ordered a double. I felt like I had been rode hard and put up wet. Six shots later I started feeling like a human being again.
Though you may have valid questions about guys like me, Kerk, I never lost any sleep about guys like you. You just keep on believing what you believe and I'll keep doing what I do.
Kerk, I'm a hard road traveler. I'm as hard as they get. I come from the bad state. I live down in bad town. The farther down the street you go the badder it gets. I live in the last house.
Quote: mickeycrimmThe farther down the street you go the badder it gets. I live in the last house.
Is that line from a movie? Otherwise, I smell a new signature line.
Quote: teddysMick, if this is how you write when you're drunk, may I suggest you drink more? ;)
There's a perfect balance to be had to become ever so slightly drunk. The Inebriati.
Quote: MoosetonIs that line from a movie? Otherwise, I smell a new signature line.
Quote: thecesspitThere's a perfect balance to be had to become ever so slightly drunk. The Inebriati.
That was awesome! Hahaaah
Quote: MoosetonIs that line from a movie? Otherwise, I smell a new signature line.
I would love to claim that I am the originator of the statement. But that would not be true. I met an old fight trainer in Vegas in z1987. He had done 5 years in Indian Springs for shooting one of his fighters over a phone bill. I asked him about the fighter he shot. He said the kid was a contender in the sixties. He said the kid wasn't as good as the best middleweights in the world but the kid couldn't be knocked out. After 15 rounds the kid would still be standing there with a "now what the hell are you gonna do?" look in his face. He told me the kid had a saying "I'm from the bad state. I live down in bad city. Down in bad street. The farther down the street you go the badder they get. I live in the last house." After the shooting the kid spent the rest of his life in a wheelchair.
Quote: MoosetonIs that line from a movie? Otherwise, I smell a new signature line.Quote: mickeycrimmThe farther down the street you go the badder it gets. I live in the last house.
Old expression, I think. It's used in this script from a 1949 radio show.
Quote: MoosetonDamn. Pretty cool that there was story with it but the story made me feel kinda sad for the guy. I don't really want it now.
Moose, I wish I could remember the fighter's name. The old fight trainer was a little tough as nuts bantom weight out of the Kronk gym in Detroit. The difference that could be pointed out to us, and the difference we will always be pointed out for, the old fight trainer and the middleweiight he shot were both white.
