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December 23rd, 2022 at 5:10:28 AM permalink
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Yes, agreed, and it doesn't make sense to leave a banned member's quoted posts intact while deleting his direct posts, obviously all traces of the offender should be eradicated.


Ya' follow?


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The reality was that every case was taken on it's merits.
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That SOUNDS good but all it means in reality is - if the sock posts faster than the mod is able to delete and before someone gets around to quoting, some traces of the sock might remain. That's an inane way to do things; the rule should be applied more even handedly.
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I believe that I agree with the crux of your argument, But I tend not to call any of wizard's policies 'Inane'.

Mike's house, Mike's rules.

The policy as I understand it, ( I have a PM, but won't break confidentiality) is that members posts do not get bits hacked out of them, even if it's a quote from a sock.

I'm sure wizard would love to hear your case.

I ask again, out of curiosity. Why do you raise this very specific topic now?
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I think if MDawg wants to call a Wizard policy inane that is fair ground. The Wiz can respond. As far as why now, a sock was insulting MDawg recently. I can’t remember which thread.
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December 23rd, 2022 at 5:37:20 AM permalink
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BUT. It's Wizard's stated policy that a member's post is sacrosanct and that moderators should not generally edit or redact anything in a good standing member's posts. And that includes anything in quotes even from a sock.
The reality was that every case was taken on it's merits.
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Well stated. The policy that a member's posts are sacrosanct supersedes the goal to keep sock's comments off the site.

I will say I request that SOOPOO and anyone else who quoted KJ either edit their posts to remove the quotes or give me permission to.
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December 23rd, 2022 at 5:44:16 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Quote: OnceDear

BUT. It's Wizard's stated policy that a member's post is sacrosanct and that moderators should not generally edit or redact anything in a good standing member's posts. And that includes anything in quotes even from a sock.
The reality was that every case was taken on it's merits.
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Well stated. The policy that a member's posts are sacrosanct supersedes the goal to keep sock's comments off the site.

I will say I request that SOOPOO and anyone else who quoted KJ either edit their posts to remove the quotes or give me permission to.
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You can edit or delete my posts if you so choose.
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December 25th, 2022 at 10:19:20 AM permalink
I happened on this while reading about how KewlJ was pretending to be himself - telling people via sock puppet that KewlJ had died

From 2016, a couple years before I joined:


which made me realize that this sort of thing, commenting on how WOV "isn't what it used to be" predates the arrival of any member, including MDawg. Just apparently an ongoing lament, that may or may not be true.

And from more recently, more of the same, blah blah blah:

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December 26th, 2022 at 12:08:47 AM permalink
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Thinking of me even on Christmas. I'm not sure if I should be flattered, or if I should just feel sad for you.
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December 26th, 2022 at 12:13:23 AM permalink
Quote: MDawg

I happened on this while reading about how KewlJ was pretending to be himself - telling people via sock puppet that KewlJ had died

From 2016, a couple years before I joined:


which made me realize that this sort of thing, commenting on how WOV "isn't what it used to be" predates the arrival of any member, including MDawg. Just apparently an ongoing lament, that may or may not be true.

And from more recently, more of the same, blah blah blah:


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The dog that broke the camels back.
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December 26th, 2022 at 11:05:12 AM permalink
If mentioning AxelWolf in passing makes him smile, then Rigondeaux's lengthy tearing apart of AxelWolf must have made the AW even happier!
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December 26th, 2022 at 11:36:08 AM permalink
Banned members often continue to post elsewhere, and often they say things or make claims that warrant being discussed here, for entertainment purposes if for no other.

A banned member, who will alas have to remain anonymous, claims that "it" (not sure if it's the scoundrel's preferred pronoun, but it should be) won one and a half million dollars on a twenty-five dollar VP bet.

Hilarity ensued, hilarity which YOU are denying yourself the ability to participate in.

I see no valid reason to prohibit discussion of banned members ridiculous claims made elsewhere, just as this board allows its members in good standing to make patently absurd, ridiculous claims with impunity.
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December 26th, 2022 at 7:08:38 PM permalink
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If mentioning AxelWolf in passing makes him smile, then Rigondeaux's lengthy tearing apart of AxelWolf must have made the AW even happier!
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"In passing".... ON XMAS, no less, and you're thinking about me, baby.


Not to mention the PMs I ignore and all the "in passing" you apparently mention me on your thread and other forums even after I ignore you. You obviously miss me,

Please quote any legitimate "Rigondeaux's lengthy tearing apart of AxelWolf"

If, by, his assessment of Robbi J Lew's poker scaddle is what you are referring to(?) that was his opinion on the situation directed at all. He is a good writer and has a good take on the situation. You and a few others must have me confused with someone who said she was definitely cheating(PG?). I actually said. I didn't think she was cheating. The more she talked, the more we found out, the more convinced I was becoming that there could certainly be cheating.

At a minimum, there is her lying and some unethical BS going on.
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March 6th, 2023 at 3:33:04 PM permalink
AMS288 suspension:
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/off-topic/18435-miscellaneous-discussion-thread/1497/#post883339

Come on, it's a parody.
I don't think any reasonable person would believe it's really EB's living room.
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March 6th, 2023 at 3:36:46 PM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

AMS288 suspension:
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/off-topic/18435-miscellaneous-discussion-thread/1497/#post883339

Come on, it's a parody.
I don't think any reasonable person would believe it's really EB's living room.
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If we are supposed to believe Pepsi was seriously offering a fighter jet then we can believe it.
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March 6th, 2023 at 3:49:36 PM permalink
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Quote: 100xOdds

AMS288 suspension:
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/off-topic/18435-miscellaneous-discussion-thread/1497/#post883339

Come on, it's a parody.
I don't think any reasonable person would believe it's really EB's living room.
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If we are supposed to believe Pepsi was seriously offering a fighter jet then we can believe it.
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interesting counter point since i believed Pepsi was offering the jet fighter
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March 6th, 2023 at 6:50:35 PM permalink
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Quote: 100xOdds

AMS288 suspension:
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/off-topic/18435-miscellaneous-discussion-thread/1497/#post883339

Come on, it's a parody.
I don't think any reasonable person would believe it's really EB's living room.
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If we are supposed to believe Pepsi was seriously offering a fighter jet then we can believe it.
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interesting counter point since i believed Pepsi was offering the jet fighter
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Well Pepsi said a "reasonable person" wouldn't believe the fighter jet was available.

Sorry I couldn't resist.
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March 6th, 2023 at 9:19:57 PM permalink
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March 6th, 2023 at 10:34:47 PM permalink
Quote: 100xOdds

AMS288 suspension:
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/off-topic/18435-miscellaneous-discussion-thread/1497/#post883339

Come on, it's a parody.
I don't think any reasonable person would believe it's really EB's living room.
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It seems more like satire than parody.
It seems to come off as more cruel than funny, which would land under the insult category.
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March 7th, 2023 at 9:51:24 AM permalink
C'mon Gordon, lighten up: ams288 was poking fun at EB, using EB's claim of extreme frugality as a launching pad for a joke at EB's expense.

There's a difference between a joke and an insult, isn't there?

I for one never for a second believed the photo actually depicted EB's living room, and as my opinion of EB's daily hygiene has always been quite low I see no damage to EB based on the post.
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March 7th, 2023 at 10:25:27 AM permalink
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my opinion of EB's daily hygiene has always been quite low



LOL. Looks like you will be joining ams in the sin bin!

I’d guess anyone who eats as healthy as EB does would have good personal hygiene.
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March 7th, 2023 at 10:25:54 AM permalink
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C'mon Gordon, lighten up: ams288 was poking fun at EB, using EB's claim of extreme frugality as a launching pad for a joke at EB's expense.

There's a difference between a joke and an insult, isn't there?

I for one never for a second believed the photo actually depicted EB's living room, and as my opinion of EB's daily hygiene has always been quite low I see no damage to EB based on the post.
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EB is an active member of our forum. Use this simple test when making a post in response to something that EB says: does this post attack EB as a person? or does it merely respond to the ideas that he has posted? If you decide that it insults EB as a person then I suggest you don't make that post, because you risk being suspended.

There were dozens of ways that ams288's post could have been worded so as to have avoided being a personal attack while delivering whatever humor may have intended. But his post directly insulted EB. ams288 has never appeared to me to have a friendly relationship with EB, therefore I did not interpret it as a friendly joke.

If, as part of a contentious discussion, EB had posted the same picture but labeled it "Wizards living room" or "Mission's living room" or "Mr. V's living room", then what would you expect the moderators to do? We would act just as I have acted here.

ams288 is still a valued member of our forum. This is just a suspension for three days. It was reviewed by a second moderator who agreed with the suspension.
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March 7th, 2023 at 2:48:27 PM permalink
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EB is an active member of our forum. Use this simple test when making a post in response to something that EB says: does this post attack EB as a person? or does it merely respond to the ideas that he has posted?


March 5th, 2023 at 7:57:50 AMpermalink
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A person who buys clothes at goodwill (by choice, not necessity) is the most miserable tightwad imaginable
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Thank you. I resemble that. 4th grade arithmetic works every time. You should try it. It will enhance your lifestyle and uncomplicate your gambling focus.

tuttigym
Was this a joke, insult, or response to "an idea"?

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March 7th, 2023 at 7:17:40 PM permalink
Quote: tuttigym

Quote: gordon888

EB is an active member of our forum. Use this simple test when making a post in response to something that EB says: does this post attack EB as a person? or does it merely respond to the ideas that he has posted?


March 5th, 2023 at 7:57:50 AMpermalink
Quote: Ace2
A person who buys clothes at goodwill (by choice, not necessity) is the most miserable tightwad imaginable
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Thank you. I resemble that. 4th grade arithmetic works every time. You should try it. It will enhance your lifestyle and uncomplicate your gambling focus.

tuttigym
Was this a joke, insult, or response to "an idea"?

tuttigym
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By the way, my wife occasionally shops for clothes at Good Will and similar stores, she says it supports the charity. I also shop for theater costumes at GoodWill, especially for period clothing from the 1980's and earlier (I am active in community theater.) Neither my wife nor I are "the most miserable tightwad imaginable," LOL. I came close to acting on Ace2's comment which I interpreted as a nasty insult to tuttigym, but when tuttigym responded to it in good humor, I decided to just let it go. Moderation in moderation.

I think tuttigym does have a valid complaint, and I would have no problem at all if another moderator wants to hand out a suspension. While we wait on that, let's give Ace1 a chance to choose to apologize to tuttigym.
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March 7th, 2023 at 7:44:07 PM permalink
To tuttigym? Ace2 insulted everyone on the forum who shops at thrift stores by choice. I'm not calling for any action, but I did feel insulted.
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March 7th, 2023 at 8:35:11 PM permalink
When I made the infamous comment, I did not have tuttigym or anyone else in mind.

I do believe that voluntarily shopping for clothes at GW is over-the-top cheap, though I’ll admit my word choice was a bit strong. Maybe I believe quality clothes are important while others don’t
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March 7th, 2023 at 9:07:04 PM permalink
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I do believe that voluntarily shopping for clothes at GW is over-the-top cheap, though I’ll admit my word choice was a bit strong.
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I shop at Savers mainly for the treasure hunt kind of thrill. Same reason I like garage sales. I felt a little insulted too, but not enough to take action.
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March 7th, 2023 at 9:24:24 PM permalink
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Maybe I believe quality clothes are important while others don’t.

As my mother used to say, "Rich people donate clothes, too." Thrift stores are filled with barely-used and never-used clothes, often name brands. My wife bought me a colorful thrift shirt on one of her shopping trips and I get compliments on it every single time I wear it out.
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March 7th, 2023 at 11:16:33 PM permalink
I wish I had said, "I shop at Goodwill only to search for change in clothes' pockets, but I never buy anything",

'Cause it sounds like I'm a legendary miser.
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March 8th, 2023 at 1:32:23 AM permalink
I felt it was absolutely insulting enough to defend my thrift shop shopping. I don't think ace should be suspended for his opinion.
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March 8th, 2023 at 5:03:01 AM permalink
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I felt it was absolutely insulting enough to defend my thrift shop shopping. I don't think ace should be suspended for his opinion.
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i guess i went to the wrong thrift stores.
the 1st time i went, it weas just out of curiosity. it was small and i saw nothing i wanted.
the 2nd time, it was a much bigger store. i donated 2 suitcases full of clothes and the suitcases.
then i looked around. now i'm overwhelmed by too many choices.

2 decades ago, my local walmart had a clearance on grey moisture wicking gym tshirts for like $2 each.
i bought 5 and still use them but nowadays mostly as a regular tshirt since i stopped going to the gym.
1 of them i should throw away but wear it when i have to do work around the house.
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March 8th, 2023 at 5:26:43 AM permalink
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I felt it was absolutely insulting enough to defend my thrift shop shopping. I don't think ace should be suspended for his opinion.
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i guess i went to the wrong thrift stores.
the 1st time i went, it weas just out of curiosity. it was small and i saw nothing i wanted.
the 2nd time, it was a much bigger store. i donated 2 suitcases full of clothes and the suitcases.
then i looked around. now i'm overwhelmed by too many choices.

2 decades ago, my local walmart had a clearance on grey moisture wicking gym tshirts for like $2 each.
i bought 5 and still use them but nowadays mostly as a regular tshirt since i stopped going to the gym.
1 of them i should throw away but wear it when i have to do work around the house.
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I have a few observations on thrift stores.

One, if you want the better stuff you have to go to ones in the better part of town. The better stuff goes there.

Two, you have to really like to shop and look for stuff. I have taken casual looks but never bought any clothes there. Other stuff, yes, but clothes I prefer just buy cheap at WMT.

Three, for clothes they are better for women's stuff. Women upgrade clothes more. Men wear clothes until there are only a few threads holding them together. Most men's stuff is probably from estates. I gave a ton of stuff from my dad away to the Vets. My stuff just is so worn out there is little life left in any of my clothes.
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March 8th, 2023 at 9:20:59 AM permalink
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Quote: tuttigym

Quote: gordon888

EB is an active member of our forum. Use this simple test when making a post in response to something that EB says: does this post attack EB as a person? or does it merely respond to the ideas that he has posted?


March 5th, 2023 at 7:57:50 AMpermalink
Quote: Ace2
A person who buys clothes at goodwill (by choice, not necessity) is the most miserable tightwad imaginable
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Thank you. I resemble that. 4th grade arithmetic works every time. You should try it. It will enhance your lifestyle and uncomplicate your gambling focus.

tuttigym
Was this a joke, insult, or response to "an idea"?

tuttigym
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By the way, my wife occasionally shops for clothes at Good Will and similar stores, she says it supports the charity. I also shop for theater costumes at GoodWill, especially for period clothing from the 1980's and earlier (I am active in community theater.) Neither my wife nor I are "the most miserable tightwad imaginable," LOL. I came close to acting on Ace2's comment which I interpreted as a nasty insult to tuttigym, but when tuttigym responded to it in good humor, I decided to just let it go. Moderation in moderation.

I think tuttigym does have a valid complaint, and I would have no problem at all if another moderator wants to hand out a suspension. While we wait on that, let's give Ace1 a chance to choose to apologize to tuttigym.
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So, let me get this straight, a "nasty insult" gets a gordon888 double standard pass because the "insulted" party (1) has a very thick skin and (2) has a great sense of humor? Suppose EB would have replied: "What you don't like my filing system?" Would that provide a gordon888 double standard pass? BTW, I do not need and Ace2 apology. I just consider the source.

Some folks here have to check their sense of humor.

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March 8th, 2023 at 9:23:29 AM permalink
I've seen stuff at thrift stores that still have the original tags from the store where they were first bought. Ironically, sometimes Goodwill puts a *higher* price on these items than the original price tag shows.

In recent years lots more "vintage" stores have popped up. They differ from "thrift" in that they generally have higher-quality merchandise, and higher prices. Their offerings are curated, rather than just putting anything out that gets donated. For that matter, vintage stores tend to be for-profit, and don't get donations. They buy excess from places like Goodwill. Goodwill gets *way* more donations than they can sell in their own stores, so they sell in bulk (by the pound) to other stores (like Savers, which is also for-profit even though it's thrift).

In the larger cities (like Austin, where I live), Goodwill has a wholesale store where they aggregate all the donations from the local stores and then sell to the public by the pound. This is where vintage shops get much of their merchandise. Whatever doesn't sell there goes to the local stores (or sold in bulk to Savers, etc.). I've been there, it's carnival-like: There are barriers put up while staff dumps completely unsorted stuff on a long row of tables, then when they raise the barriers lots of people all rush the aisle. They repeat this throughout the day with different aisles. It's like a continues Black Friday mob.

For those in Austin, I have a list of Austin thrift stores.
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March 8th, 2023 at 9:31:57 AM permalink
I don't buy clothing in thrift stores because I am big and tall and they have little in my size, but I have no problem buying certain items used, e.g. vehicles, high end audio equipment, home and garden equipment off of craigslist, and of course collectibles: I have bought almost 200 Dinky Toys off of e-bay and etsy.
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March 8th, 2023 at 10:03:04 AM permalink
Me:"I just saved $300 on this leather trench coat at Goodwill "

My girlfriend:"you are so cheap. I only wear brand new items. Not used crap"

One year later

Me:"Check out my brand new coat. Paid top dollar for it at the first hand store."

My girlfriend:"You got ripped off. I saw the same coat in same condition from the Goodwill for $300 cheaper "

Sadly this conversation actually happened once.
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March 8th, 2023 at 3:27:05 PM permalink
Quote: tuttigym


So, let me get this straight, a "nasty insult" gets a gordon888 double standard pass because the "insulted" party (1) has a very thick skin and (2) has a great sense of humor? Suppose EB would have replied: "What you don't like my filing system?" Would that provide a gordon888 double standard pass? BTW, I do not need and Ace2 apology. I just consider the source.

Some folks here have to check their sense of humor.

tuttigym
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In some cases involving certain kinds of insults, it has been our protocol to take into account
- whether the target of the insult is angry and expresses a sense of injury, versus just laughing it off
- whether the offending party subsequently apologizes or at least moderates their original comment

Regarding the "gordon888 double standard pass," I explained my original decision to not suspend Ace2 but after you complained about the insult, I said that if another moderator chooses to suspend Ace2 for a suspension that I would support that decision. Then Wizard posted that he had felt a sense of insult as well but that he chose not to issue a suspension. Are you angry at Ace2? Or at me? At Wizard? At Dieter? I'm really having trouble understanding your grievance and what you are asking for.
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March 8th, 2023 at 4:32:36 PM permalink
I would like to add:

Situations are considered on a case by case basis.

Much like you can't write much on a blank page, everything I own is used. Some came to me used, some became used shortly after I got them.

I prefer the term "skinflint" over "tightwad", but it certainly seems that most of the Green Team knows their way around a thrift store.
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March 8th, 2023 at 4:58:14 PM permalink
And not a single person gets suspended for hijacking this thread to talk about the thrift store nonsense.

You moderators and this site ... it's just so sad.

I am so sorry for you Michael, to have this site and what it's become be part of your legacy. You are so much better than this.
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March 8th, 2023 at 5:29:56 PM permalink
Quote: gordonm888

Quote: MrV

C'mon Gordon, lighten up: ams288 was poking fun at EB, using EB's claim of extreme frugality as a launching pad for a joke at EB's expense.

There's a difference between a joke and an insult, isn't there?

I for one never for a second believed the photo actually depicted EB's living room, and as my opinion of EB's daily hygiene has always been quite low I see no damage to EB based on the post.
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EB is an active member of our forum. Use this simple test when making a post in response to something that EB says: does this post attack EB as a person? or does it merely respond to the ideas that he has posted? If you decide that it insults EB as a person then I suggest you don't make that post, because you risk being suspended.

There were dozens of ways that ams288's post could have been worded so as to have avoided being a personal attack while delivering whatever humor may have intended. But his post directly insulted EB. ams288 has never appeared to me to have a friendly relationship with EB, therefore I did not interpret it as a friendly joke.

If, as part of a contentious discussion, EB had posted the same picture but labeled it "Wizards living room" or "Mission's living room" or "Mr. V's living room", then what would you expect the moderators to do? We would act just as I have acted here.

ams288 is still a valued member of our forum. This is just a suspension for three days. It was reviewed by a second moderator who agreed with the suspension.
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He insulted me? I would not know I have him blocked here and on the other forum for years. There is nothing he could possibly say that I would have any interest in. He didn't insult me because I never saw it nor will I look for it.
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March 8th, 2023 at 6:30:03 PM permalink
Quote: teliot

And not a single person gets suspended for hijacking this thread to talk about the thrift store nonsense.

You moderators and this site ... it's just so sad.

I am so sorry for you Michael, to have this site and what it's become be part of your legacy. You are so much better than this.
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How about just taking all the discipline private rather than having it be public (like on pretty much every other forum)? That would eliminate most of the drama, right there.
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March 8th, 2023 at 6:49:12 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Quote: gordonm888

Quote: MrV

C'mon Gordon, lighten up: ams288 was poking fun at EB, using EB's claim of extreme frugality as a launching pad for a joke at EB's expense.

There's a difference between a joke and an insult, isn't there?

I for one never for a second believed the photo actually depicted EB's living room, and as my opinion of EB's daily hygiene has always been quite low I see no damage to EB based on the post.
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EB is an active member of our forum. Use this simple test when making a post in response to something that EB says: does this post attack EB as a person? or does it merely respond to the ideas that he has posted? If you decide that it insults EB as a person then I suggest you don't make that post, because you risk being suspended.

There were dozens of ways that ams288's post could have been worded so as to have avoided being a personal attack while delivering whatever humor may have intended. But his post directly insulted EB. ams288 has never appeared to me to have a friendly relationship with EB, therefore I did not interpret it as a friendly joke.

If, as part of a contentious discussion, EB had posted the same picture but labeled it "Wizards living room" or "Mission's living room" or "Mr. V's living room", then what would you expect the moderators to do? We would act just as I have acted here.

ams288 is still a valued member of our forum. This is just a suspension for three days. It was reviewed by a second moderator who agreed with the suspension.
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He insulted me? I would not know I have him blocked here and on the other forum for years. There is nothing he could possibly say that I would have any interest in. He didn't insult me because I never saw it nor will I look for it.
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March 8th, 2023 at 8:14:33 PM permalink
Quote: teliot

And not a single person gets suspended for hijacking this thread to talk about the thrift store nonsense.

You moderators and this site ... it's just so sad.

I am so sorry for you Michael, to have this site and what it's become be part of your legacy. You are so much better than this.
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Indeed, hijacking has occurred.

I'm sure that indulgence will wane like the moon.
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March 9th, 2023 at 5:28:30 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Quote: EvenBob

Quote: gordonm888

Quote: MrV

C'mon Gordon, lighten up: ams288 was poking fun at EB, using EB's claim of extreme frugality as a launching pad for a joke at EB's expense.

There's a difference between a joke and an insult, isn't there?

I for one never for a second believed the photo actually depicted EB's living room, and as my opinion of EB's daily hygiene has always been quite low I see no damage to EB based on the post.
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EB is an active member of our forum. Use this simple test when making a post in response to something that EB says: does this post attack EB as a person? or does it merely respond to the ideas that he has posted? If you decide that it insults EB as a person then I suggest you don't make that post, because you risk being suspended.

There were dozens of ways that ams288's post could have been worded so as to have avoided being a personal attack while delivering whatever humor may have intended. But his post directly insulted EB. ams288 has never appeared to me to have a friendly relationship with EB, therefore I did not interpret it as a friendly joke.

If, as part of a contentious discussion, EB had posted the same picture but labeled it "Wizards living room" or "Mission's living room" or "Mr. V's living room", then what would you expect the moderators to do? We would act just as I have acted here.

ams288 is still a valued member of our forum. This is just a suspension for three days. It was reviewed by a second moderator who agreed with the suspension.
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He insulted me? I would not know I have him blocked here and on the other forum for years. There is nothing he could possibly say that I would have any interest in. He didn't insult me because I never saw it nor will I look for it.
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But that does not matter. See the recent pronoun row regarding members not active for years. EB is a member in good standing, so an insult is an insult. Even if he has blocked the other user for years.
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March 9th, 2023 at 9:37:00 AM permalink
Quote: teliot

And not a single person gets suspended for hijacking this thread to talk about the thrift store nonsense.

You moderators and this site ... it's just so sad.

I am so sorry for you Michael, to have this site and what it's become be part of your legacy. You are so much better than this.
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Maybe someone can get chatgpt to read all the posts and dole out rulings.
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March 9th, 2023 at 10:28:13 AM permalink
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So, let me get this straight, a "nasty insult" gets a gordon888 double standard pass because the "insulted" party (1) has a very thick skin and (2) has a great sense of humor? Suppose EB would have replied: "What you don't like my filing system?" Would that provide a gordon888 double standard pass? BTW, I do not need and Ace2 apology. I just consider the source.

Some folks here have to check their sense of humor.

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In some cases involving certain kinds of insults, it has been our protocol to take into account
- whether the target of the insult is angry and expresses a sense of injury, versus just laughing it off
- whether the offending party subsequently apologizes or at least moderates their original comment

Regarding the "gordon888 double standard pass," I explained my original decision to not suspend Ace2 but after you complained about the insult, I said that if another moderator chooses to suspend Ace2 for a suspension that I would support that decision. Then Wizard posted that he had felt a sense of insult as well but that he chose not to issue a suspension. Are you angry at Ace2? Or at me? At Wizard? At Dieter? I'm really having trouble understanding your grievance and what you are asking for.
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First, I did NOT "complain" about the "nasty insult." I asked what the statement was in your mind. YOU determined it was a "nasty insult," so why would you need to confer with another mod.? Others, including the Wizard felt some level of insult, so again why the necessity of confirmation?

I feel NO anger towards anyone here. There is a sense of frustration because my "grievance" centers on (1) mod's inconsistencies in doling out suspensions, and a true double standard against my posts which exists primarily because I have been highly resistant to the "math" posted in various threads. I shall be specific.
1. "Wake up and smell the pot roast." That was thought to be an anti-semitic phrase due to someone's ignorance.
2. I had been away from this forum for over ten years and made a passing political remark not knowing that the rules had changed. So instead of a short warning as many others were given, I was suspended by Wizard who absolutely knew of my long absence, BTW during those years I was posting, 2010, insults were rampant and acceptable.
3. There was a post I made as an answer to ThatDonGuy trying to clarification on one of his math posts, and I asked about his ego. Suspension! Others on other threads and posts have referred directly to egos but no suspensions there.

It is your forum with your rules, and I can live with however they are enforced, but I will continue to call out the inconsistencies and lack of accountability as they might occur IMO.

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March 9th, 2023 at 10:42:58 AM permalink
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2. I had been away from this forum for over ten years and made a passing political remark not knowing that the rules had changed. So instead of a short warning as many others were given, I was suspended by Wizard who absolutely knew of my long absence, BTW during those years I was posting, 2010, insults were rampant and acceptable.



So, when you get pulled over for a traffic violation, you expect "I didn't know" to get you out of a punishment?
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March 9th, 2023 at 10:58:58 AM permalink
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...a true double standard against my posts which exists primarily because I have been highly resistant to the "math" posted in various threads.

I like how he puts "math" in quotes. It's telling, for sure. But which is more telling, that, or that he signs his name on every post as though his name isn't clearly attached to his post already? I can't decide.
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March 9th, 2023 at 11:15:49 AM permalink
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2. I had been away from this forum for over ten years and made a passing political remark not knowing that the rules had changed. So instead of a short warning as many others were given, I was suspended by Wizard who absolutely knew of my long absence, BTW during those years I was posting, 2010, insults were rampant and acceptable.



So, when you get pulled over for a traffic violation, you expect "I didn't know" to get you out of a punishment?
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Worked for my brother in law. He was pulled over for driving in the right lane on a highway (should have moved to left lane) when a cop was on the shoulder with another car he was ticketing. When he was pulled over and the cop asked him if he knew what he did, he said he was unaware of that law, and he just slowed down for safety. The cop gave him a warning and no ticket.
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March 9th, 2023 at 11:16:44 AM permalink
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Quote: tuttigym

...a true double standard against my posts which exists primarily because I have been highly resistant to the "math" posted in various threads.

I like how he puts "math" in quotes. It's telling, for sure. But which is more telling, that, or that he signs his name on every post as though his name isn't clearly attached to his post already? I can't decide.
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March 12th, 2023 at 10:31:09 AM permalink
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Quote: tuttigym



2. I had been away from this forum for over ten years and made a passing political remark not knowing that the rules had changed. So instead of a short warning as many others were given, I was suspended by Wizard who absolutely knew of my long absence, BTW during those years I was posting, 2010, insults were rampant and acceptable.



So, when you get pulled over for a traffic violation, you expect "I didn't know" to get you out of a punishment?
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Breaking an inconsequential rule is not quite on the same level as a law violation. Your posted example is laughable.

I was pulled over once for making an illegal turn. The officer pointed out the no turn sign. I asked him if I made a "bad" left turn, and he replied, "oh, no sir, you made a good left turn." With a further explanation from me about the turn (no need for that here), he let me go without giving me a ticket.

This forum is a benevolent dictatorship. There are no trials or appeals just charging and sentencing and mostly arbitrary and sometimes retaliatory.

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March 12th, 2023 at 10:37:53 AM permalink
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Quote: tuttigym

...a true double standard against my posts which exists primarily because I have been highly resistant to the "math" posted in various threads.

I like how he puts "math" in quotes. It's telling, for sure. But which is more telling, that, or that he signs his name on every post as though his name isn't clearly attached to his post already? I can't decide.
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You have posted the signing thing about me three or four different times. I do not understand your obsession with my style. Why not show some intestinal fortitude and explain in detail what exactly you mean by that post. It might help relieve some of your personal frustrations.

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March 12th, 2023 at 10:45:13 AM permalink
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To tuttigym? Ace2 insulted everyone on the forum who shops at thrift stores by choice. I'm not calling for any action, but I did feel insulted.
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You need to get some skin conditioner to thicken the cutaneous layers. A generic comment and it gets to you? WOW

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