Discussion III about the Suspension List
Quote: lilredroosterQuote: AlanMendelson
If you called me an idiot for playing craps I would not be insulted.
well, that's very interesting Alan, but that's just you
I think many would be insulted if they were called an idiot because they play craps
so, obviously, the forum cannot tailor its rules just to suit you___________so, that's why there is so much subjectivity
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Fair enough.
For the record I was against the recent self imposed suspensions over the 2 dice question.
I think the frustration and the expressions made out of frustration only proved my point from the beginning -- that the question was designed to confuse and frustrate because it was so poorly written.
After all, who talks that way?
Quote: AlanMendelson
Would the meaning of a phrase change if the person using the phrase was on your side of an argument?
Is questioning bad? Does questioning become bad when it doesn't show your point of view?
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Some questions are rooted in the absence of knowledge.
Some questions are intended to further Socratic dialogue.
Some questions are the troll's version of a koan.
Quote: Ben FoldsThe answer you seek, my son, only poses more questions.
No?
Yes?
New?
So?
https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3298162,00.html
Quote: AlanMendelsonI thought only Jewish people answered a question with a question?
No?
Yes?
New?
So?
https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3298162,00.html
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Shalom Alan
Quote: AlanMendelsonIf you called me an idiot for playing craps I would not be insulted.
If you called me an addict for playing craps I would be insulted, offended and I would want the moderators to take action.
The term "idiot" is loosely used. "Addict" is pointed and damaging and conveys a real problem that can affect someone's life, business and family.
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If any member calls any member an idiot or an addict, they can expect to be suspended, whether Alan is the subject or not.
We do not maintain lists of who is happy to be insulted.
Quote: OnceDear
If any member calls any member an idiot or an addict, they can expect to be suspended, whether Alan is the subject or not.
We do not maintain lists of who is happy to be insulted.
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Just for reference, how many times would a person have to insult themselves to get permanently banned..
Quote: rxwine
Just for reference, how many times would a person have to insult themselves to get permanently banned..
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We don't penalise for self abuse. If we did, several ****ers would have long been nuked. $;o)
Quote: AhighIf you guys could just suspend losers, this place would be a lot quieter. (joke)
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I believe it's spelled ''luzers"
Quote: AlanMendelsonI thought only Jewish people answered a question with a question?
No?
Yes?
New?
So?
https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3298162,00.html
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Is Coachbelly Jewish? Doesn't seem like it.
Quote: darkozQuote: AlanMendelsonI thought only Jewish people answered a question with a question?
No?
Yes?
New?
So?
https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3298162,00.html
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Is Coachbelly Jewish? Doesn't seem like it.
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You can tell someone's religious background by their posts? Impressive.
Quote: darkozIs Coachbelly Jewish? Doesn't seem like it.
What can I do here to seem Jewish?...or more Jewish, whatever the case may be.
Quote: AlanMendelsonI thought only Jewish people answered a question with a question?
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Isn't it a common practice in a variety of philosophical pursuits?
Quote: DieterQuote: AlanMendelsonI thought only Jewish people answered a question with a question?
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Isn't it a common practice in a variety of philosophical pursuits?
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Are you answering a question with a question? Who does that?
Quote: billryanQuote: DieterQuote: AlanMendelsonI thought only Jewish people answered a question with a question?
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Isn't it a common practice in a variety of philosophical pursuits?
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Are you answering a question with a question? Who does that?
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Speaking of JEWISH people, what do you get when you cross a CHINESE GUY with a ROOSTER? -----
Caucasian!
Quote: coachbellyQuote: darkozIs Coachbelly Jewish? Doesn't seem like it.
What can I do here to seem Jewish?...or more Jewish, whatever the case may be.
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Keep answering questions with questions, LMAO.
Quote: OnceDearIf any member calls any member an idiot or an addict, they can expect to be suspended...
Forum rule number one prohibits ad hominem attacks: " If you disagree with another forum member, politely attack the writing, not the writer."
If Johnny pisses you off you cannot get away saying "johnny, you really suck the big one" you'll be shown the door.
Don't go down that path: post smarter and more politely.
You could write something like: "Johnny, when you wrote about how you saw dice leap off the table and land in a buxom blonde's cleavage 17 times in a row, well, let's just say that not only do I question the foundation and veracity of the observation, I also question your good faith in posting it on this supposedly math-based board. Remember, the laws of probability never sleep, although you yourself may have nodded off and dreamed up the event you just described."
There, see how easy that was kids?
Just tone it down, pretty it up, then fire for effect.
Quote: coachbellyWhat can I do here to seem Jewish?...or more Jewish, whatever the case may be.
Quote: darkozKeep answering questions with questions
But you wrote (below) that I don't seem Jewish.
Quote: darkozIs Coachbelly Jewish? Doesn't seem like it.
I think you're sending mixed signals here.
Did you ask if I'm Jewish because I've answered questions with questions?
Or did you comment that I don't seem Jewish, because I don't answer questions with questions?
Or was there some non-Jewish characteristic you recognized in my posts?
WOV fishing licenses?
Quote: AlanMendelsonI thought only Jewish people answered a question with a question?
No?
Yes?
New?
So?
https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3298162,00.html
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I don't have a thin skin, but this moderator is part Jewish and isn't amused at the ethnic slur in the above post and the string of subsequent posts with ethnic Jewish remarks that were provoked by this. Especially when it comes from a member who just earlier criticized the moderators, per se:
Quote: AlanMendelson
{snip}
In most States there are laws against arbitrary, capricious and unreasonable actions. Forum moderation unfortunately is sometimes arbitrary, capricious and unreasonable.
The most glaring of the arbitrary, capricious and unreasonable is when some participants get only a warning or a more severe suspension than others have received.
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AlanMendelson, I want to avoid being arbitrary, capricious and unreasonable.
Perhaps you would like to step in for the moderators and determine what your penalty should be for making that ethnic slur?
a) No action
b) Warning about making ethnic slurs
c) 3 day suspension
d) 7 day suspension
Show us how easy this is!
https://youtu.be/GkyzMWxK67U
Quote: gordonm888Quote: AlanMendelsonI thought only Jewish people answered a question with a question?
No?
Yes?
New?
So?
https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3298162,00.html
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I don't have a thin skin, but this moderator is part Jewish and isn't amused at the ethnic slur in the above post and the string of subsequent posts with ethnic Jewish remarks that were provoked by this. Especially when it comes from a member who just earlier criticized the moderators, per se:Quote: AlanMendelson
{snip}
In most States there are laws against arbitrary, capricious and unreasonable actions. Forum moderation unfortunately is sometimes arbitrary, capricious and unreasonable.
The most glaring of the arbitrary, capricious and unreasonable is when some participants get only a warning or a more severe suspension than others have received.
{snip}
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AlanMendelson, I want to avoid being arbitrary, capricious and unreasonable.
Perhaps you would like to step in for the moderators and determine what your penalty should be for making that ethnic slur?
a) No action
b) Warning about making ethnic slurs
c) 3 day suspension
d) 7 day suspension
Show us how easy this is!
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In Alan's defense and as a fellow Jew, I was raised under the guidance that fellow Jews can make fun and make Jewish slurs all day long as long as it's coming from another Jew.
My mom used to read me the most ethnically insulting Yiddish fables but we all just laughed at the stupidity. They were written by Yiddish Jews, after all!.
EDIT:. My favorite Yiddish tale was the Jewish farmer who kept trying to milk the bulls and couldn't figure out why no milk was forthcoming. One wonders just what he kept pulling!!!
Quote: darkozMy favorite Yiddish tale was the Jewish farmer who kept trying to milk the bulls and couldn't figure out why no milk was forthcoming. One wonders just what he kept pulling!!!
Speaking of bull semen, I recall a case in the late seventies where some hotel guest was picking his scabs with a needle while sitting in a comfy chair in a hotel lobby and he left the needle there; a different guest later used the chair and accidentally stabbed his hand with the needle.
Seems the victim worked at a dairy and his primary job was to "milk the bulls," i.e. manually stroke their bovine johnsons to produce / collect semen for artificially impregnating cows.
Massive infection and disability ensued from his wound; he lawyered up and argued that he could no longer perform his job.
The poor wretch got a nice settlement.
Quote: AlanMendelsonIf you nuked me you'd never have to deal with 1/6 again. But that would be arbitrary, capricious and unreasonable and it would show no Jewish sense of humor and I couldn't call on any Rabbis to come to my defense.
https://youtu.be/GkyzMWxK67U
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I didn't even list nuking as one of your choices! After the usual discussion amongst moderators, I am issuing you a mildly-worded warning*: Please use better judgment in the future.
*We recognize there was no real malice or intended insult on your part. IMO, the problem with a "no-action" is that others can claim it as a precedent that comments about Jewish people are considered to be permissible. That could spin out of control.
Keepin' it real, yo.
Seems that disability could affect his personal life as well. I hope the settlement was sufficient for him to get professional help with that. ;-)Quote: MrVSeems the victim worked at a dairy and his primary job was to "milk the bulls," i.e. manually stroke their bovine johnsons to produce / collect semen for artificially impregnating cows.
Massive infection and disability ensued from his wound; he lawyered up and argued that he could no longer perform his job.
The poor wretch got a nice settlement.
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Quote: MrVQuestion: if two posters are black and that fact is known to the mods, would it be a suspenable offense for them to refer to each other using the "N" word?
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Yes
Quote: darkoz
In Alan's defense and as a fellow Jew, I was raised under the guidance that fellow Jews can make fun and make Jewish slurs all day long as long as it's coming from another Jew.
My mom used to read me the most ethnically insulting Yiddish fables but we all just laughed at the stupidity. They were written by Yiddish Jews, after all!.
EDIT:. My favorite Yiddish tale was the Jewish farmer who kept trying to milk the bulls and couldn't figure out why no milk was forthcoming. One wonders just what he kept pulling!!!
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I wondered if Alan was Jewish but felt it was not proper to assume or ask.
I almost always laugh at Jewish jokes as well. But in on-line posts, I think it would be wise to package them so that it is clear that no offense is meant - as you packaged your Yiddish tale by saying that you are "a fellow Jew" whose family has always laughed at stories about Jews.
Quote: MrVQuestion: if two posters are black and that fact is known to the mods, would it be a suspenable offense for them to refer to each other using the "N" word?
Keepin' it real, yo.
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Good job Matlock. 👏
Quote: MrVQuestion: if two posters are black and that fact is known to the mods, would it be a suspenable offense for them to refer to each other using the "N" word?
Keepin' it real, yo.
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Black people refer to themselves with the N-word ending in "ah" affectionately and ending in "er" as an insult to their own kind
I have mixed heritage children and my current family is inter-racial so I hear and am explained the distinction often although I am certain it's an unofficial distinction.
EDIT: I have two families, the one with grown kids already living on their own with my grandkids and my current family living with me, my wife and four year old so I refer to them as my current family. But we all are family lol.
Quote: AlanMendelsonIf you nuked me you'd never have to deal with 1/6 again. But that would be arbitrary, capricious and unreasonable and it would show no Jewish sense of humor and I couldn't call on any Rabbis to come to my defense.
https://youtu.be/GkyzMWxK67U
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Do you remember that somehow you were offended by my "smelling the pot roast" comment, and I was suspended? You never apologized to me, and the mods somehow were arbitrary, capricious and unreasonable by jumping to conclusions without any sort of investigation or PM query. Double standard??
tuttigym
Obviously someone hasn't seen the iconic wedding picture at Caesars Palace craps table. Maybe on file here?Quote: gordonm888Quote: darkoz
In Alan's defense and as a fellow Jew, I was raised under the guidance that fellow Jews can make fun and make Jewish slurs all day long as long as it's coming from another Jew.
My mom used to read me the most ethnically insulting Yiddish fables but we all just laughed at the stupidity. They were written by Yiddish Jews, after all!.
EDIT:. My favorite Yiddish tale was the Jewish farmer who kept trying to milk the bulls and couldn't figure out why no milk was forthcoming. One wonders just what he kept pulling!!!
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I wondered if Alan was Jewish but felt it was not proper to assume or ask.
I almost always laugh at Jewish jokes as well. But in on-line posts, I think it would be wise to package them so that it is clear that no offense is meant - as you packaged your Yiddish tale by saying that you are "a fellow Jew" whose family has always laughed at stories about Jews.
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Actually I'm surprised anyone would consider Jewish people answering a question with a question as a slur?.I always thought it was a joke.
I just learned something -- that others consider it a slur.
And yes, when I was married at a craps table at Caesars Palace a Rabbi officiated a rather lengthy Jewish ceremony and I broke the wine glass following tradition. I don't know if the Rabbi brought it or if Caesars provided it, but the casino grew quiet as the long ceremony continued and when I stomped on the glass there was a roar of Mazel Tov.
Alan, I have the pic and will repost it only with your permission.
Quote: MrVAlas, you sevened out on that one, but hey, hope springs eternal in the heart of a gambler..
Alan, I have the pic and will repost it only with your permission.
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It was a long roll before the 7 out. Shelley and I are still close. A couple of years ago we went back to Caesars for a weekend. In fact it was one of those weekends when I hit a 100k royal.
Yes, you can repost the picture. Shelley and I were talking about it just a couple of nights ago.
By the way, last year when she was attending a relatives Bas Mitzvah I arranged for a comped room for her and her boyfriend at Red Rock.
Shelley's uncle was a former NGC Chairman. It's how i met Sheldon.
Quote: AhighMaybe if you made words bad and attacked the words we could have consistent rules for how to abuse one another online for using the wrong ones.
Quote: Dave ChappelleThis is many years ago, 15 years ago. It was when I was doing Chappelle’s Show. I made a mistake. I didn’t even know I’d done anything wrong. I had written a sketch… that had the word… “f a g g o t” in it. So I had to go to Standards and Practices. They call me up. I don’t know why they’re calling me, but I like the lady that runs the department. She’s usually really fair and was one of my favorite people I’ve ever worked with. So she sits me down. We have a nice conversation. She tells me, “Oh, the sketches are great.” I go, “Oh, fantastic. Well, then… well, then, why am I here?” She said, “Because, David, there’s no way… that you can ever say the word… “f a g g o t” on our network.
I didn’t know I did anything wrong. I didn’t try to defend myself. I said, “All right. F it, I’ll take it out. Have a good afternoon.” And as I was leaving, it occurred to me. “Hey. Hey, Renée, quick question. It’s just a question. Seriously, I wanna know. Like, why is it that I can say the word “n i g g e r” with impunity… …but I can’t say the word “f a g g o t”?” And she said, “Because, David, you are not gay.”
Anybody else got it?
Nothing like what happens in this civil forum.
Quote: MrVDang, can't find the wedding pic.
Anybody else got it?
You should be able to find it on that other forum that you like so much.
Quote: AhighOn social media networks, there are those who sadistically troll people into behaving in illegal ways. Those are the worst criminals of all. These type of people antagonize, even children, to cut themselves and other horrible atrocities
"Every party has a pooper."
- - Debbie Downer
Quote: coachbellyQuote: AhighOn social media networks, there are those who sadistically troll people into behaving in illegal ways. Those are the worst criminals of all. These type of people antagonize, even children, to cut themselves and other horrible atrocities
"Every party has a pooper."
- - Debbie Downer
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"Everyone who makes vaguely directed insults that are half-jokes and half-serious is a serial killer.
Serial killers often fall victim to slippery slopes.
Therefore be careful of slippery slopes before you kill somebody."
- Someone professing to be logical
Quote: AhighSerial killers often fall victim to slippery slopes.
That may be incorrect...
"Serial killers never fall victim to any slopes."
- Someone who knows all about serial killers and their interactions with slopes
"Eat some killer cereal, then hit the slopes."
Already a slippery, well,. let's not say slope.
Hmmm, a slippery slant.
Oh, dang, did it again!
What a chink in the armor.
Yikes, did it again!
Quote: coachbellyQuote: AhighMaybe if you made words bad and attacked the words we could have consistent rules for how to abuse one another online for using the wrong ones.
Quote: Dave ChappelleThis is many years ago, 15 years ago. It was when I was doing Chappelle’s Show. I made a mistake. I didn’t even know I’d done anything wrong. I had written a sketch… that had the word… “f a g g o t” in it. So I had to go to Standards and Practices. They call me up. I don’t know why they’re calling me, but I like the lady that runs the department. She’s usually really fair and was one of my favorite people I’ve ever worked with. So she sits me down. We have a nice conversation. She tells me, “Oh, the sketches are great.” I go, “Oh, fantastic. Well, then… well, then, why am I here?” She said, “Because, David, there’s no way… that you can ever say the word… “f a g g o t” on our network.
I didn’t know I did anything wrong. I didn’t try to defend myself. I said, “All right. F it, I’ll take it out. Have a good afternoon.” And as I was leaving, it occurred to me. “Hey. Hey, Renée, quick question. It’s just a question. Seriously, I wanna know. Like, why is it that I can say the word “n i g g e r” with impunity… …but I can’t say the word “f a g g o t”?” And she said, “Because, David, you are not gay.”
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Coachbelly has been immediately suspended for a Rule 18 violation, suspension length TBD, pending review by the full moderator team.
Quote: gordonm888Coachbelly has been immediately suspended for a Rule 18 violation
A "Hate speech" violation, eh?
Let's dig deeper...
"Hate speech" defined: "abusive or threatening speech or writing that expresses prejudice against a particular group, especially on the basis of race, religion, or sexual orientation.?
Where is the abuse or threat?
He was quoting what a black man said lampooning the idiocy of political correctness, and there was no abuse or threat at any point.
What ever happened to having to show bad intent?
What, we dare not utter these words, no matter what the context?
Quote: MrVQuote: gordonm888Coachbelly has been immediately suspended for a Rule 18 violation
A "Hate speech" violation, eh?
Let's dig deeper...
"Hate speech" defined: "abusive or threatening speech or writing that expresses prejudice against a particular group, especially on the basis of race, religion, or sexual orientation.?
Where is the abuse or threat?
He was quoting what a black man said lampooning the idiocy of political correctness, and there was no abuse or threat at any point.
What ever happened to having to show bad intent?
What, we dare not utter these words, no matter what the context?
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I've no problem with that word and a few others never being said again. I can't think of a legitimate use for it.
