Discussion II about the Suspension List
The Suspension List is found here.
altogether? All it's done is cause trouble,
how many have been suspended or banned
because if this thread.
Quote: EvenBobWhy not get rid of this ridiculous thread
altogether? All it's done is cause trouble,
how many have been suspended or banned
because if this thread.
Personally, I'd be glad to see it gone. However, people do get suspended, mostly for comments in another thread. Then THAT thread, whatever it is, gets hijacked or sidetracked about what got said or why did that happen or whatever. So this thread (and the old one) are intended to collect that discussion instead of ruining numerous threads. However, that is the sole purpose of THIS thread, and it, in turn, should be kept at least mostly to that topic.
(Edit: Good idea, thanks. Done. BBB)
Quote: Gabes22I agree there is no need to discuss it
There isn't. Make a rule that no discussion
of suspensions are allowed. That would
be great.
I know 99.54% of my decisions here get questioned, but creating the original discussion of the suspension list thread I think was one of my better ones.
To those who don't like it, let me make a radical suggestion -- don't read it.
ya know, something useful.
Quote: beachbumbabsPersonally, I'd be glad to see it gone. However, people do get suspended, mostly for comments in another thread. Then THAT thread, whatever it is, gets hijacked or sidetracked about what got said or why did that happen or whatever. So this thread (and the old one) are intended to collect that discussion instead of ruining numerous threads. However, that is the sole purpose of THIS thread, and it, in turn, should be kept at least mostly to that topic.
my head just exploded.
HOWEVER that may be because I just blocked the other thread.
Quote: Gabes22Just a quick sidebar BBB, if that thread was getting unmanageable, I would assume the Election 2016 thread is not far behind?
Yeah, Gabes, it's not far behind, but for whatever reason that particular thread stays almost entirely within the topic (though it has a lot of facets), so it hasn't needed splitting off. If I could have split off the Baccarat sidebar and a couple other things, I would have left the Disc/Susp/List alone and just kept it cleaned out, but the last several times I've tried to do it, it was unwieldy and crash-prone. The fresh thread was overdue by about 6 months; I just didn't want to mess with it while things were a bit crazy before.
Quote: IbeatyouracesWho's to say it won't happen in this thread also?
It will happen here, humans are here.
Quote: IbeatyouracesWho's to say it won't happen in this thread also?
I'm almost certain it will. But the admin manipulation of a thread can only be done after every single post has been loaded in that thread; normal reading, you only see one page at a time, and the unspooling of future pages can happen while you're reading the first page you've missed. That thread was what, 800 pages or so, and each individual post has a macro attached that makes it selectable from the rest. This thread will survive splitting for several hundred posts if necessary before it starts to bog significantly.
And then we'll do it again... :)
Quote: WizardBefore this thread existed there were complaints about every suspension all over the forum. I wanted to consolidate the complaining into one sty where those who liked it could frolic in the mud and those who didn't could easily avoid it.
I know 99.54% of my decisions here get questioned, but creating the original discussion of the suspension list thread I think was one of my better ones.
To those who don't like it, let me make a radical suggestion -- don't read it.
If you want to discuss suspensions, there is a place for it.
If not, ignore it...that's the silly thing...people complaining about threads they don't like and then coming back around to complain some more...when they could just ignore it after one complaint...
That wasn't what we were talking about? Oops ;-!
Just 2F
Oh! Maybe we need a place to talk about the discussion, maybe separate from where we actually have the discussion ;-) Anyone up for another thread about the thread?
Still sounds like a pretty good game! =PQuote: Wizard...I know 99.54% of my decisions here get questioned, but...
It's sad that VP has gotten so bad that 99.54 is thought of as a good game.Quote: RomesStill sounds like a pretty good game! =P
Quote: CyrusVIndicative and insightful when the most popular thread on a gambling forum is about who has been / is suspended.
The only thing it indicates it is a thread that has been active throughout the lifetime of this Forum. If I combined all of the Craps system threads into one thread, for instance, that would probably be longer.
Quote: Gabes22I agree there is no need to discuss it, but like BBB said, people will talk when they see a name, especially one as popular here as kewlj and want to discuss it. This allows a thread for that, rather than doing it on the thread that it happened, and on the thread another suspension happened and so on and so forth. It really is a necessary evil
Exactly, it exists so Discussion about Suspensions do not derail threads otherwise related to a different topic more than absolutely necessary.
In response to a later comment, I personally do not think it is right to disallow any Discussion about Suspensions. We might not always agree with individual Members, and sometimes we don't even agree with a plurality of Members regarding certain decisions, but we definitely want them to be heard.
Not good.
I baited him, did it on purpose with 10 seconds of premeditation.
Not good.
I would like to serve his sentence, put him back online, while I take a break.
My next break is supposed to be 7 days, that's fine with me.
I would rather read Terrapined's contributions for the next seven days than expose the forums to mine.
Not a joke, not this time. Now I'm serious, now I'm not happy. Two Feathers.
I thought after I first did that and then another person Mike insinuated he wasn't going to make a habit of it. Perhaps he meant people who were not actually involved in whatever lead to the suspension couldn't just start serving time for whomever. .Quote: TwoFeathersATLTerrapined just got suspended for three days for 'personal insult' against me.
Not good.
I baited him, did it on purpose with 10 seconds of premeditation.
Not good.
I would like to serve his sentence, put him back online, while I take a break.
My next break is supposed to be 7 days, that's fine with me.
I would rather read Terrapined's contributions for the next seven days than expose the forums to mine.
Not a joke, not this time. Now I'm serious, now I'm not happy. Two Feathers.
Quote: TwoFeathersATLTerrapined just got suspended for three days for 'personal insult' against me.
Not good.
I baited him, did it on purpose with 10 seconds of premeditation.
Not good.
I would like to serve his sentence, put him back online, while I take a break.
My next break is supposed to be 7 days, that's fine with me.
I would rather read Terrapined's contributions for the next seven days than expose the forums to mine.
Not a joke, not this time. Now I'm serious, now I'm not happy. Two Feathers.
I will accept this. Thank you for owning your involvement in it.
Quote: MichaelBluejayWhat if suspensions were done quietly, without them being announced to the whole forum?
Then we would be missing out on the public shaming.
Quote: MichaelBluejayWhat if suspensions were done quietly, without them being announced to the whole forum?
Then all the nonsense 1BB was always complaining about would not have been as funny. That would have been depriving this whole forum of 99.17% of 1BB's hilarious/psychotic Fanta.
EDIT: rants* not Fanta. Darn phone!
Yeah, that's the idea. Public shaming for forum infractions feels awkward to me, like it's grade school or something. It also makes the forum feel policed, even if the police action is completely justified. Suspending members quietly and privately would allow them to save some face and not make the rank-and-file members (the overwhelming majority of whom aren't subject to punishments) constantly feel that someone is watching over what they say.Quote: WizardThen we would be missing out on the public shaming.
I know it's not my forum, just throwing the idea out there.
Quote: MichaelBluejayYeah, that's the idea. Public shaming for forum infractions feels awkward to me, like it's grade school or something. It also makes the forum feel policed, even if the police action is completely justified. Suspending members quietly and privately would allow them to save some face and not make the rank-and-file members (the overwhelming majority of whom aren't subject to punishments) constantly feel that someone is watching over what they say..
Ah, a secret police idea. Take people away
and punish them without anybody knowing
about it. An old and very effective idea used
with great success in totalitarian states
such as Germany in the WWII era, and
later in the Soviet Union.
Quote: RSThen all the nonsense 1BB was always complaining about would not have been as funny. That would have been depriving this whole forum of 99.17% of 1BB's hilarious/psychotic Fanta.
EDIT: rants* not Fanta. Darn phone!
Psychotic Fanta indeed:-)
1) The name would be in red so the people will know anyway
2) If it is a valued member there would be gossip about what or how it happened
3) If it's a newb people won't notice
Quote: MichaelBluejayYeah, that's the idea. Public shaming for forum infractions feels awkward to me, like it's grade school or something. It also makes the forum feel policed, even if the police action is completely justified. Suspending members quietly and privately would allow them to save some face and not make the rank-and-file members (the overwhelming majority of whom aren't subject to punishments) constantly feel that someone is watching over what they say.
Quote: Gabes22This would work in two ways.
1) The name would be in red so the people will know anyway
2) If it is a valued member there would be gossip about what or how it happened
3) If it's a newb people won't notice
First, the forum is supposed to feel policed.
Second, we didn't have a suspension list for the first year or so. What happened is exactly what Gabes wrote, there was all kinds of gossip all over the forum about who was suspended and for what reason. So I created the Suspension List for two reasons:
1. So the mods would have a record of past suspensions, to keep track of habitual offenders.
2. To end the gossip and have a public record of who was being suspended for what and for how long.
I didn't expect this list to get so much attention but it did. There was so much discussion about every new suspension that I created the "discussion" thread to keep it all in one place.
If public shaming smacks of grade school, then so be it. I personally favor public shaming for real crimes.
Anyway, I like the way we do it.
Time out for you; bad kitty!
Shame!
Quote: EvenBobAh, a secret police idea. Take people away
and punish them without anybody knowing
about it. An old and very effective idea used
with great success in totalitarian states
such as Germany in the WWII era, and
later in the Soviet Union.
I guess being deprived of chiming in here because of hostile character assassinations would be some sort of egregious violation of the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, eh? Or is it to be deprived of public floggings? (approaching Godwin's law here...)
Call it discreet police instead of secret police in this case.
Quote: MrVOh no, not the hamster!
Time out for you; bad kitty!
Shame!
Why did this make me chuckle. It is not funny. Still laughing damn it.
Quote: GWAE[Why did this make me chuckle. It is not funny. Still laughing damn it.
Much like Las Vegas itself, it helps underscore the fundamental absurdity of the human condition.
But what would be the reaction(s - plural?) of the hyperactive nutbars with multiple virtual identities? Can one of their identities feel badly about being suspended in the course of a supposed 'fight' with one of the other identities created by the very same fingers tapping through a different identity? I can think of at least one very active member here who has made it pretty clear he actually does think that's a perfectly sane, clever, and fun sort of thing to be doing.
I'm not saying this with any intention of advocating for or against doing or not doing something differently to cure this, that, or the other thing. It just is what it is, and I just think one needs to be realistic about what happens, why, and who, and how little anyone on a forum can ever really expect to have anything to do with correcting the source of it. I think it is sometimes likely to involve something they've been doing in many ways in many places for a very long time, and always will, as some continue playing out their own little internal dramas on an endless loop.
Quote: mcallister3200Ibeatyouraces
Just delete all your posts regarding this like others do when they are wrong.(didn't your buddy Bob do this?)Quote: MichaelBluejayI withdraw my private suspension idea.
*Not saying you're wrong.
Quote: AxelWolfJust delete all your posts regarding this like others do when they are wrong.(didn't your buddy Bob do this?)
OOPS! Can't edit posts anymore after the short
time period expires. Please do try and keep up,
newbie..
Quote: EvenBobOOPS! Can't edit posts anymore after the short
time period expires. Please do try and keep up,
newbie..
Mhmmm. Keep thinkin' that.
Oh ya, I wouldn't know I don't think I tried to delete one. Can't you just edit it down to saying deleted?Quote: EvenBobOOPS! Can't edit posts anymore after the short
time period expires. Please do try and keep up,
newbie..
Quote: AxelWolfOh ya, I wouldn't know I don't think I tried to delete one. Can't you just edit it down to saying deleted?
Actually, no. At least not the newer ones. :)
Quote: beachbumbabsActually, no. At least not the newer ones. :)
This has to be the weirded forum I've ever been on. So if an admin changes a rule in the ACP, like changes how long you have to edit, it only applies to posts made then on, but not before?
