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July 21st, 2019 at 3:55:23 PM permalink
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why would you handicap your speaking ability by so much.
Warning this might be slightly offensive to some people.



I don't think that I handicap it at all. I will say other words as replacements such as freaking. Maybe it is being around kids for the last 8 years that has changed my language, I don't know.
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July 21st, 2019 at 4:04:40 PM permalink
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why would you handicap your speaking ability by so much.
Warning this might be slightly offensive to some people.



I don't think that I handicap it at all. I will say other words as replacements such as freaking. Maybe it is being around kids for the last 8 years that has changed my language, I don't know.



It is called acting like a composed grown-up. Lots of us drop lots of profanity when we are younger. Later you learn that the more profanity a person uses, generally the less useful they have to say. For every George Carlin who is clever with profanity, there are probably 20 who just swear to swear.

I never swear around women to the point that some have asked about it. Once on accident dropped it around one, she went white as a ghost. On this note, the mafia has it right.
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July 21st, 2019 at 5:41:26 PM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

It is called acting like a composed grown-up. Lots of us drop lots of profanity when we are younger. Later you learn that the more profanity a person uses, generally the less useful they have to say.


Not sure I agree. Most I have worked with through my career are very smart people with advanced degrees, and most swear like sailors.

It feels like it adds some level of comradery in a professional environment. I am more comfortable around people who are comfortable enough to swear around me.
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July 21st, 2019 at 5:45:20 PM permalink
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I never said that I was offended. I just prefer not to use the word. As for taking a deuce, I just prefer not to discuss that.

yeah I agree, that's just nasty.
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July 21st, 2019 at 5:53:09 PM permalink
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Not sure I agree. Most I have worked with through my career are very smart people with advanced degrees, and most swear like sailors.

It feels like it adds some level of comradery in a professional environment. I am more comfortable around people who are comfortable enough to swear around me.

I think it all comes down to the environment and situation you are in. I guess there are some people who can't figure out when it's appropriate. Obviously there are occasions where it might slip out once in awhile. I really don't like hanging around people who are easily offended about stuff. Obviously there are times and situations it's unavoidable and you just avoid doing anything to offend them.
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July 21st, 2019 at 6:01:23 PM permalink
Reminds me of a funny story.
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July 21st, 2019 at 7:17:52 PM permalink
I always assume that people that swear a lot just aren't smart enough to compose well thought out sentences.
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July 21st, 2019 at 7:44:44 PM permalink
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I always assume that people that swear a lot just aren't smart enough to compose well thought out sentences.



Im sure Geoge Carlin is turning in his grave
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I always assume that people that swear a lot just aren't smart enough to compose well thought out sentences.



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Im sure Geoge Carlin is turning in his grave



So is Mark Twain.
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July 22nd, 2019 at 2:11:00 AM permalink
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I always assume that people that swear a lot just aren't smart enough to compose well thought out sentences.

I shall consider this a personal insult.

All my experience shows that, the smarter you are, the more you use variants, including swear words. The less smart you are, the more prone to being offended by just words.
I think High Potential people are characterized by a sensitivity to the things and an indifference to the words. As well as to the sensibility of morons.

In my work environment (higher education), it is always the more intelligent who didn’t care much about my swearing, and the more basic (especially management and admin) who made a fuss.
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July 22nd, 2019 at 2:31:27 AM permalink
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I shall consider this a personal insult.

All my experience shows that, the smarter you are, the more you use variants, including swear words. The less smart you are, the more prone to being offended by just words.
I think High Potential people are characterized by a sensitivity to the things and an indifference to the words. As well as to the sensibility of morons.

In my work environment (higher education), it is always the more intelligent who didn’t care much about my swearing, and the more basic (especially management and admin) who made a fuss.



It seems the lefties in this thread want to call it "being offended." That is not what it is. It is not the same thing as seeing a statue of someone who owned slaves or seeing a religious symbol and demanding it be taken down because you are "offended,"

It is a matter of keeping and demanding a level of behavior. It is about holding yourself to a standard. I look at who talks what way and how they come off, what their status in society is. A similar example would be where I grew up it was not tolerated for white kids to use "ghetto talk." I would have to assume lots of middle-class black kids would be told not to use it as well. Nor a matter of being "offended." It was a matter of. "you talk low class you will get treated low class,"
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July 22nd, 2019 at 3:35:45 AM permalink
Quote: kubikulann

I shall consider this a personal insult.

All my experience shows that, the smarter you are, the more you use variants, including swear words. The less smart you are, the more prone to being offended by just words.
I think High Potential people are characterized by a sensitivity to the things and an indifference to the words. As well as to the sensibility of morons.

In my work environment (higher education), it is always the more intelligent who didn’t care much about my swearing, and the more basic (especially management and admin) who made a fuss.



LOL at feeling insulted.
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July 22nd, 2019 at 4:09:18 AM permalink
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It seems the lefties in this thread want to call it "being offended." That is not what it is. It is not the same thing as seeing a statue of someone who owned slaves or seeing a religious symbol and demanding it be taken down because you are "offended,"

It is a matter of keeping and demanding a level of behavior. It is about holding yourself to a standard. I look at who talks what way and how they come off, what their status in society is. A similar example would be where I grew up it was not tolerated for white kids to use "ghetto talk." I would have to assume lots of middle-class black kids would be told not to use it as well. Nor a matter of being "offended." It was a matter of. "you talk low class you will get treated low class,"

This is a well-known strategy revealed by Marxist analysis. The middle class fear their disclassment, so cultivate an urge to differentiate themselves from the labouring class. It involves a lot of cultural things, like the clothes you wear, the house you inhabit, and of course the language habits.
There is also a wish to imitate the owning class. As a consequence, the upper class takes the game a peg further and develops its own jargon, making themselves ridiculous to anybody else but admirable in their own eyes.

Who does not care? The lower class, because it has nothing to win at that rivality game. The uneducated, because they don’t know . And the bright people, as long as they regard this social status thing so ridiculous that they don’t bother playing. Placing one’s value in the language one uses is a clear proof that one does not have a better criterion for assessing one’s value. Petty bourgeois.

People who judge me inferior because of a word I use render themselves a bad service, since they overlook the qualities of another, but more importantly overestimate themselves.

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July 22nd, 2019 at 4:38:08 AM permalink
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July 22nd, 2019 at 5:49:07 AM permalink
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It seems the lefties in this thread want to call it "being offended." That is not what it is. It is not the same thing as seeing a statue of someone who owned slaves or seeing a religious symbol and demanding it be taken down because you are "offended,"

It is a matter of keeping and demanding a level of behavior. It is about holding yourself to a standard. I look at who talks what way and how they come off, what their status in society is. A similar example would be where I grew up it was not tolerated for white kids to use "ghetto talk." I would have to assume lots of middle-class black kids would be told not to use it as well. Nor a matter of being "offended." It was a matter of. "you talk low class you will get treated low class,"


Oh man, the irony in this post. I had hoped this wouldn’t turn political but you went there so I will bite.

So why is it just “locker room talk” when Trump does it?
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July 22nd, 2019 at 5:59:50 AM permalink
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This is a well-known strategy revealed by Marxist analysis. The middle class fear their disclassment, so cultivate an urge to differentiate themselves from the labouring class. It involves a lot of cultural things, like the clothes you wear, the house you inhabit, and of course the language habits.
There is also a wish to imitate the owning class. As a consequence, the upper class takes the game a peg further and develops its own jargon, making themselves ridiculous to anybody else but admirable in their own eyes.

Who does not care? The lower class, because it has nothing to win at that rivality game. The uneducated, because they don’t know . And the bright people, as long as they regard this social status thing so ridiculous that they don’t bother playing. Placing one’s value in the language one uses is a clear proof that one does not have a better criterion for assessing one’s value. Petty bourgeois.



OK, so listen to what you are saying. Most of who do not care are lower class and uneducated. Meanwhile. the people who do care are trying to improve their lot in life. Which do you want to be a part of?

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You can say this all you like, but guess what? It is going to happen. It is like showing up to a job interview dressed like a slob. You are going to be judged. Not just at a job interview. I have been in customer service a good part of my life. You get all kinds of complaints. You cannot just refer all up the chain of command, or give them all a ton of investigation because, quite honestly, many do not deserve it. You eventually learn who to take serious and who to not. As a PCO I had all kinds of people threatening to call the news or sue, with thousands of customers you get that. The ones yelling and swearing you take less serious as they sound like some uneducated rube who likes to threaten by yelling and swearing. The ones who talk professional you listen to because they actually know what they are doing.

It comes down to how you were raised. Where I come from, a girl had a potty mouth would be put in place by her mother and told not to talk like a whore. Boys got a little leeway on foul language, except you were told you do not talk that way around women. So if someone is talking like that I assume they were not raised right in that regard. And if not in that regard, how many other things were they not taught.
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July 22nd, 2019 at 6:05:30 AM permalink
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Oh man, the irony in this post. I had hoped this wouldn’t turn political but you went there so I will bite.

So why is it just “locker room talk” when Trump does it?



I see you and AZ agreeing here. It IS just locker room talk! Of a low class individual. There are no rules that the President needs to be 'high class'. That's for the British Monarchs. If the American people want to elect someone "low class" who has policies which are better for the country than a "high class" alternative, then that is what will, and actually did, happen. Of all the Dems, it seems to me Buttigieg has the highest 'class'. To me there is no doubt low class Trump is better for the USA than high class Buttigieg.
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July 22nd, 2019 at 6:11:19 AM permalink
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To me there is no doubt low class Trump is better for the USA than high class Buttigieg.

I think Trump cares about Trump, and that's it. Period.

He will obviously take credit for the economy, whether it is related to his policies or not, who knows for sure ? I do think that the Republican short term deficit increasing tax cuts provide a short term boost at the expense of long term economic damage. My taxes actually went up a little bit last year, comparing apples to apples.
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July 22nd, 2019 at 6:23:41 AM permalink
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I think Trump cares about Trump, and that's it. Period.

He will obviously take credit for the economy, whether it is related to his policies or not, who knows for sure ? I do think that the Republican short term deficit increasing tax cuts provide a short term boost at the expense of long term economic damage. My taxes actually went up a little bit last year, comparing apples to apples.



My taxes went up a lot. Losing the state deduction hurts all of us in high tax predominantly Dem states (NY, Cali...) The financial 'experts' I deal with say that executive order pullbacks on business regulations is what has propelled the economy forward, not tax changes, tariffs, or whatever rhetoric Trump will use. The presentation I just went to was by an anti -Trump guy, but he said it is a fact that the economy has responded to Trump EO's and will suffer if he loses in 2020. We shall see....
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July 22nd, 2019 at 6:26:59 AM permalink
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Oh man, the irony in this post. I had hoped this wouldn’t turn political but you went there so I will bite.

So why is it just “locker room talk” when Trump does it?



Not sure what is "political" about what I said. Of course we can flip it and ask why the people who think a potty mouth is no big deal are the most upset about it?

It is locker room talk. Made is (supposedly) private, assuming you are bringing up the same old tape. But do note that the same people who thing a potty mouth is perfectly OK are the same ones upset at that tape. Or upset when he called them *******e countries. The same people go crazy when they do not like the talk.

My position is both of those examples were from closed meetings. You sometimes talk different around the guys or girls. Sorry if that goes against some folks standards of "equality" but that is the way it is. Different standards in different situations.
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July 22nd, 2019 at 6:29:39 AM permalink
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I shall consider this a personal insult.

All my experience shows that, the smarter you are, the more you use variants, including swear words. The less smart you are, the more prone to being offended by just words.I
I think High Potential people are characterized by a sensitivity to the things and an indifference to the words. As well as to the sensibility of morons.

In my work environment (higher education), it is always the more intelligent who didn’t care much about my swearing, and the more basic (especially management and admin) who made a fuss.



It is not a personal insult. It is an observation of generality, perhaps wrong, which you were welcome to rebut.
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July 22nd, 2019 at 6:31:33 AM permalink
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It seems the lefties in this thread want to call it "being offended." That is not what it is. It is not the same thing as seeing a statue of someone who owned slaves or seeing a religious symbol and demanding it be taken down because you are "offended,"

It is a matter of keeping and demanding a level of behavior. It is about holding yourself to a standard. I look at who talks what way and how they come off, what their status in society is. A similar example would be where I grew up it was not tolerated for white kids to use "ghetto talk." I would have to assume lots of middle-class black kids would be told not to use it as well. Nor a matter of being "offended." It was a matter of. "you talk low class you will get treated low class,"



HIJACK.

You and everyone else in here who bit. Warning.

Any further political posts in this thread will be considered for suspension.

Knock it off. Keep it in the political threads.
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July 22nd, 2019 at 6:36:12 AM permalink
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I think Trump cares about Trump, and that's it. Period.



If that is all he cared about, why would he put himself thru all the abuse he gets?

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He will obviously take credit for the economy, whether it is related to his policies or not, who knows for sure ? I do think that the Republican short term deficit increasing tax cuts provide a short term boost at the expense of long term economic damage. My taxes actually went up a little bit last year, comparing apples to apples.



Please cite when a POTUS did not take credit for a good economy. You talk like Trump is the first to do this.

I do not see what long-term economic damage a tax cut is doing. But based on your thinking this, wouldn't you be glad your taxes are slightly higher?
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July 22nd, 2019 at 7:55:54 AM permalink
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. The less smart you are, the more prone to being offended by just words.



I must assume that you have not spent much time in inner city ghettos.
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July 22nd, 2019 at 8:03:13 AM permalink
Swearing can be indicative of having a large vocabulary and higher IQ.
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July 22nd, 2019 at 8:11:14 AM permalink
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Swearing can be indicative of having a large vocabulary and higher IQ.



It can also be indicative of a moron.
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July 22nd, 2019 at 8:22:27 AM permalink
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Quote: TigerWu

Swearing can be indicative of having a large vocabulary and higher IQ.



It can also be indicative of a moron.



Anyone who thinks it makes a person sound smarter is probably not bright themselves.
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July 22nd, 2019 at 8:37:30 AM permalink
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Quote: DRich

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Swearing can be indicative of having a large vocabulary and higher IQ.



It can also be indicative of a moron.



Anyone who thinks it makes a person sound smarter is probably not bright themselves.



As the Cock crows, and the last time I saw a Bitch in heat, the last time I noticed a woman's crack (she thought she was funny but the crack was just a bad pun), I dont care if a person owns their own Ass or Donkey or Mule...

But most certainly I will take offense at the use of any swear words.
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I dont care if a person owns their own Ass or Donkey or Mule...

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July 22nd, 2019 at 8:59:23 AM permalink
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Quote: TigerWu

Swearing can be indicative of having a large vocabulary and higher IQ.



It can also be indicative of a moron.



Yeah, but not definitive proof like several people are claiming.
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July 22nd, 2019 at 9:24:51 AM permalink
Both words and body gestures are regional as well.

They had to change the title of austin powers "The Spy Who Shagged Me" in England I believe

English people in America might think nothing of saying they use faggots.

And here is my favorite body gesture that means more than what you think.

https://people.howstuffworks.com/10-obscene-hand-gestures-from-around-world2.htm
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July 22nd, 2019 at 10:43:05 AM permalink
It is possible to be a complete a--hole without swearing. Some people seem to aspire to that goal.
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July 22nd, 2019 at 10:47:13 AM permalink
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It is possible to be a complete a--hole without swearing. Some people seem to aspire to that goal.



I know many people that I would consider A**holes that don't swear.
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July 22nd, 2019 at 4:58:29 PM permalink
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All my experience shows that, the smarter you are, the more you use variants, including swear words. The less smart you are, the more prone to being offended by just words.

I must assume that you have not spent much time in inner city ghettos.

What utter rubbish. Not only do you know nothing about me, but your assumption stinks prejudice.

What you are implying is that ghetto people are less smart. And that they are not offended by foul speech.

This shows two things: you have not spent much time in ghettos. And you are—I cannot insult you, so let’s just say people who think lower class equals not smart are definitely ill informed and not very smart (but this I knew from your attitude to swearing).
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July 22nd, 2019 at 5:16:09 PM permalink
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OK, so listen to what you are saying. Most of who do not care are lower class and uneducated. Meanwhile. the people who do care are trying to improve their lot in life.

1° where did you read ‘’most’’?
2° where do you invent that lower class people don’t want to improve their lot?
3° what ridiculous prejudice makes you believe that the only way to improve one’s lot is to imitate the bourgeoisie. Your implicit assumption just confirms what I explained about the alienated middle class (if you are middle class, that is. But if you were upper class, you wouldn’t descend to talking with us): « we must conform to the dominant model ».

Read Trotsky, « Their Moral and Ours ».
We can improve our life without curbing our freedom of speech to please the bourgeois, thank you.

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It is like showing up to a job interview dressed like a slob. You are going to be judged. Not just at a job interview.

Job interviews are the most vile form of social humiliation. Accepting to be judged by people who are less apt than you... Especially if they are bigots, I would make sure I don’t fall in the hands of such bastards by speaking freely. Only the wisest will listen to the content and not care about the word.

You can’t understand. It’s a thing among HP.

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It comes down to how you were raised.

Absolutely not. Siblings can develop very different attitudes. It comes down to IQ and vocabulary and insensitivity to what other people think of you.
If you judge somebody ‘s abilities on the gauge of swear words, you are bound to make many mistaken assessments.

But again, it confirms the Marxist analysis. By fear of being assimilated to the labouring class, of being forced to admit there is no intrinsic human or social difference, the middle class creates artificial differences and labels them ‘education’. This allows them to say ‘I had a better education’ and believe they are intrinsically superior.

You really want to be superior?
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Job interviews are the most vile form of social humiliation. Accepting to be judged by people who are less apt than you... Especially if they are bigots, I would make sure I don’t fall in the hands of such bastards by speaking freely



I've interviewed people for jobs.
You've got the exact attitude of
people I loved to tell to get lost.

How do you hire someone without
an interview, rely on phony references?
You have to meet the person face
to face and judge them.
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July 23rd, 2019 at 2:51:01 AM permalink
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1° where did you read ‘’most’’?
2° where do you invent that lower class people don’t want to improve their lot?
3° what ridiculous prejudice makes you believe that the only way to improve one’s lot is to imitate the bourgeoisie. Your implicit assumption just confirms what I explained about the alienated middle class (if you are middle class, that is. But if you were upper class, you wouldn’t descend to talking with us): « we must conform to the dominant model ».



Ugh, you seem to be another person who cannot handle talking in generalizations. I have had to deal with lower classes several times in my life. When I did taxes most would take their EIC refund and just buy bunch of crap with it. Or worse yet rent furniture and appliances, which lasted until summer when the money ran out. The rarely invested it or bought things of value that would improve their life. Sometimes yes, one woman could not wait to buy an inexpensive car to get to work and get her kids around. Not most of them. One guy worked with us took the family on an extravagant vacation. Family was living near poverty. Had he invested the EIC he might have been able to buy a house in 8-10 years, paid in full, But instead lives rich for week, then back to poverty.

Ever hear the term "acting white" that gets used when a minority tries to climb out of their ghetto?

[q[Read Trotsky, « Their Moral and Ours ».
We can improve our life without curbing our freedom of speech to please the bourgeois, thank you.

Job interviews are the most vile form of social humiliation. Accepting to be judged by people who are less apt than you... Especially if they are bigots, I would make sure I don’t fall in the hands of such bastards by speaking freely. Only the wisest will listen to the content and not care about the word.



And you will end up not getting anything beyond an entry level job if you carry that attitude. I remember a guy like you. He refused to take the assessment test we required. He said "I do not take such tests." I replied "well, we are done then." Guy gets angry and tries to tell me there is no reason to take it. When he sees I will not budge he says in anger that he will take it. I told him not to waste his time, he will never get a job with me as he just showed what kind of an employee he would be. He stormed off really angry.

The fact is in life people are going to make judgements. If you drop cuss words in an interview, well, I cannot put you in front of customers because you do not know how to behave proper. You want to cuss in an interview, have fun on your mop job, you will have it for life.

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Absolutely not. Siblings can develop very different attitudes. It comes down to IQ and vocabulary and insensitivity to what other people think of you.
If you judge somebody ‘s abilities on the gauge of swear words, you are bound to make many mistaken assessments.



They can develop different attitudes and turn out different, but you can usually tell how they were raised. And while I may make some "mistaken assessments" I will come out right more than wrong. In life you have to assess people fast most times. You do that based on how people act and talk. I have been right more than I have been wrong.

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But again, it confirms the Marxist analysis. By fear of being assimilated to the labouring class, of being forced to admit there is no intrinsic human or social difference, the middle class creates artificial differences and labels them ‘education’. This allows them to say ‘I had a better education’ and believe they are intrinsically superior.

You really want to be superior?
Read!
(And not Ayn Rand, of course. Read intelligent things. Michel Serres said: « If you want to remain young, every day read something difficult. »
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I am very well read. I have read enough to have given away boxes and boxes of the books I have read. You want to know the difference between the middle and upper classes and those below? The lower classes have not grasped giving value to those that employ them. Your post here indicates that you seem to think taking any job is just asking to be exploited and you hate the person who gave you that job. Meanwhile, the middle/UC sees a job as a way to make a living and earn money so that money can earn more money.

See what I did there? You talk a certain way and you got judged. It happens.
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July 23rd, 2019 at 4:48:52 AM permalink
I certainly don’t want to work for someone who thinks they ‘’give’’ me a job. I vomit the idea of being ‘’employed’’.

It is I who do them the faveur of helping them earn money. This merits respect, not high nosed despise.
All your text shows you consider the people you hire as inferiors. That does not bode well for the type of relationship in the firm. So I won’t work for you. Simple.
I do not hate the employer, I hate the HR people who abuse their power.

Not curiously, you think the only valuable jobs are those in front of customers. You call mop jobs the intellectual functions? People in front of customers are the lower educated. In research or decision, you don’t need to meet the customer or the even lower sales people.
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July 23rd, 2019 at 4:51:38 AM permalink
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I've interviewed people for jobs.
You've got the exact attitude of
people I loved to tell to get lost. .

Not!
Because I would have told you to get lost first if your interview was about wording instead of real talents.

At least I’m honest.
You prefer hiring people who play the silly game of hypocrisy during interview, then do anyway what they like?
That’s not how I was educated. Lying is more to be reproved than a cuss word.
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July 23rd, 2019 at 5:04:45 AM permalink
This is all getting ridiculous.

You cannot write fuck, shit or asshole, but you are welcome to use f*ck, sh!t or a_hole.
Who is fooled?
Doesn’t make any sense to me.

You cannot write « you are a moron » but it is OK to say « people like you are morons ».
Who is fooled?
Doesn’t make any sense to me.

You must be over 21 to sign in, but you must watch your language for minors.
Minor over 21?
I know in America you must be 21 to drink a beer, but you can use a gun at 10 and drive a car at 15. In Europe, it’s 21 to drive and 16 to drink. And no gun.

Free speech means you can be a nazi, but you cannot blasphemy.
What nonsense is that?
« I regret God does not exist, because otherwise I would like to fuck him for what he did. »
« Ooh! Itis forbidden to sodomoze an imaginary being in America! »
« And I want to kill Jews and rape niggers. »
« Oh! That’s OK, they are real people. And it’s a free country, isn’t it? Just say Coloured people and you are absolved. »


You see, I will get suspended for telling the truth with the heretic words.
Eh bien, I certainly care little about minor punishment, compared to the importance of delivering a message.
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July 23rd, 2019 at 5:15:27 AM permalink
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I certainly don’t want to work for someone who thinks they ‘’give’’ me a job. I vomit the idea of being ‘’employed’’.



Should not be a problem, as people with thios attitude make the worst employees. Your employer most certainly does "give" you a job. You want to do some form of labor in return for money. Same as I give the car dealer an order, it is an exchange of value.

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It is I who do them the faveur of helping them earn money. This merits respect, not high nosed despise.
All your text shows you consider the people you hire as inferiors. That does not bode well for the type of relationship in the firm. So I won’t work for you. Simple.
I do not hate the employer, I hate the HR people who abuse their power.



You are not doing a "favor." You are exchanging labor for goods. Your attitude is just plain awful, you think that your customer should be glad you exist. I consider the people I hire my employee and me to be their customer. Meaning they should be happy I have hired them. The "relationship" is I assign a task and give them money for doing so. They do not like that they should find someone else willing to do so. Sorry, you DO hate your employer. Your attitude shows this hate.

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Not curiously, you think the only valuable jobs are those in front of customers. You call mop jobs the intellectual functions? People in front of customers are the lower educated. In research or decision, you don’t need to meet the customer or the even lower sales people.



People in front of customers are PEOPLE WHO GENERATE REVENUE. Mops jobs do not generate revenue. Revue generating jobs are the most important jobs. But the big difference is the person with personality can do the mop job if needed. The person on the mop job because they can't talk without cussing cannot be in front of the customer.

You do not seem to grasp the concept of the customer makes it all possible. Don't fret, I would not hire you.
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July 23rd, 2019 at 5:19:54 AM permalink
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This is all getting ridiculous.

You cannot write fuck, shit or asshole, but you are welcome to use f*ck, sh!t or a_hole.
Who is fooled?
Doesn’t make any sense to me.




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July 23rd, 2019 at 5:32:15 AM permalink
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Hopefully he is just given a warning

1) cause hes new here.

2) cause he was posting it to make a point rather than be offensive

3) cause it came out during a conversation with AZ which is a great way to leave forum triggerred.
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July 23rd, 2019 at 5:33:22 AM permalink
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You cannot write fuck, shit or asshole, but you are welcome to use f*ck, sh!t or a_hole.




 you are a moron 



You know but still did. 🙄 See you in a bit......😂
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July 23rd, 2019 at 5:36:59 AM permalink
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Hopefully he is just given a warning

1) cause hes new here.

2) cause he was posting it to make a point rather than be offensive

3) cause it came out during a conversation with AZ which is a great way to leave forum triggerred.

Thank you.

But, you know, I’m not so new, I used to post much some years ago before I was ill.
And I already received a kind warning by Babs.
Finally, my post in no way replies to AZDuff, who keeps cohérent in his arguments, and not too much irritating.

I receive a sanction with pleasure. It shall prove my point : form is more important than content.
Is anything I wrote false? Isn’t that what you should write about, instead of calling for or against a penalty?
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July 23rd, 2019 at 5:41:14 AM permalink
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Hopefully he is just given a warning

1) cause hes new here.

2) cause he was posting it to make a point rather than be offensive

3) cause it came out during a conversation with AZ which is a great way to leave forum triggerred.



People who cannot handle an intellectual conversation "triggered?" I guess if a person surrounds oneself only with those they agree with and does not intellectually challenge themselves it could happen.
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July 23rd, 2019 at 5:42:34 AM permalink
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I receive a sanction with pleasure. It shall prove my point : form is more important than content.



If this is true I invite management to remove my preservation reply at their own discretion.
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July 23rd, 2019 at 8:16:25 AM permalink
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If this is true I invite management to remove my preservation reply at their own discretion.



I'm not going suspend anyone in this thread for the time being. YMMV with other moderators who might wade in.

For now. kubikulann and AZDuffman, I request that you guys stop squabbling. Your opinions on the matter are pretty clear.

Maxpen. Your trimming of kubikulann's post could be construed as a deliberate misquote. No action, but please make editing and trimming of quotes more obvious.

And no further expletives, even in the 'in context' topic of this thread.

Thank you.
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