When a forum member doesn't pay
Quote: strictlyAPWe can keep this going for months it's not going to change anything glad people want to try and collect a bet for someone that rightfully should not be paid
The more you say this the less believable it sounds. Seriously you basically keep attacking Aye without any proof of the accusation and with no way for him to defend himself. I think if you cannot prove your statement you should be banned for insulting a forum member.
Quote: thecesspitAh... your 'because I say so' defence.
"Because I said so" works for his other "AP" plays...why not for this, too?
Quote: strictlyAPWe can keep this going for months it's not going to change anything glad people want to try and collect a bet for someone that rightfully should not be paid
Just admit it.
Your feelings got hurt so you are not paying.
LOL
Lame excuse
Quote: strictlyAPNot the case at all. - if we can keep this thread up a little longer I can get to 1000 posts. Thanks to everyone that helped - still not paying something that should not be paid
Losing bets should always be payed. Only the dishonorable don't pay them
Quote: strictlyAPNot a single chance I do not need to go any further it will never be resolved we can just keep the thread longer then the casino chip of the day I'm not going to ever change my mind
Can you give us your list of acceptable reasons to welsh on a bet? You can specifically exclude the reason you are using in the ayecarumba bet. Thanks.
Quote: strictlyAPI didn't make a single accusation other then ......
you sure did don't you remember this post below?
Maybe the mods just like the casinos when you sign a self ban paper should ASSIST you in this lifetime ban you self imposed here
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/20382-goodbye-forum/#post416851
Quote: wudgedOr how about this post?
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/info/rules/19100-proposed-rule-change-respect-the-ten-commandments-of-gambling/#post382888
Great find wudged.
Too funny.
StrictlyAP totally supports a ban on welchers.
LOL
Quote: strictlyAPno one welched on this at all- there is a difference between welching and having a valid reason for settleling- maybe you should research the difference
A mystery reason is not a valid reason.
Quote: strictlyAPno one welched on this at all- there is a difference between welching and having a valid reason for settleling- maybe you should research the difference
Here is the list of valid reasons for not paying:
1. You physically don't have the money to do so
2. The person who won the bet owes you an amount equal or greater to the winning bet.
You already said 1 wasn't true. Unless it's #2, you are welching on the bet.
trolling or welcher or both.
In my opinion, he was trolling this thread.
He was acting just like former troller Varmenti trying to get to 1k posts on this thread
Quote: wudgedOr how about this post?
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/info/rules/19100-proposed-rule-change-respect-the-ten-commandments-of-gambling/#post382888
That is golden, nice pull!
Quote: rdw4potus"Because I said so" works for his other "AP" plays...why not for this, too?
Let's not forget some of strictlyAP's greatest hits on this forum...like lending money to a casino executive in exchange for extra free play, or waaaaaaay overbetting your bankroll on a play.
I, for one, will not miss his presence on the forum.
Quote: wudgedOr how about this post?
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/info/rules/19100-proposed-rule-change-respect-the-ten-commandments-of-gambling/#post382888
Go figure.
hah.
Quote: AcesAndEights
Let's not forget some of strictlyAP's greatest hits on this forum...like lending money to a casino executive in exchange for extra free play, or waaaaaaay overbetting your bankroll on a play.
I, for one, will not miss his presence on the forum.
Yeah, there's a lot going on there. Playing all that UX against a 3% edge, claiming that a play was available to make up for the HE. But then also asking about basic hand decisions on the game. There's no way someone who couldn't play the game could overcome that edge. Claiming to make big $$ on AP plays, but then not knowing how to figure out if a 1% HE on a $200 bet at 30 hands/hr for 2 hrs was worth more or less than $500 in expected loss. It's hard to see what AP plays SAP had actually figured out or could actually figure out (except that he definitely successfully screwed over Ayecarumba).
Quote: petroglyphI got ten bucks says you do.
Quote: strictlyAP
You think by going on and on im going to change my stance but I wont
It seems if SAP was going to intentionally welch as an AP move, he would have taken my offer. This is exactly what my ten bucks was saying. His stance has changed, he now doesn't have one. IMO
I'm not defending his pov in any way, but I realize there are always a minimum of two sides to an argument.
It is just to easy to pile on.
The rules regarding the posting of PM is that PMs are authorized to be posted if both parties consent to it? I believe this is correct right?
So is there a member of the party opposed to the posting of their original PM (to see what the bet is over)?
Unless the bet is regarding some extremely personal topic between the two of them, I can't see why this info would be inflammatory to either party.
The only reason it may be, is if it is posted, and based on the bet, it is clear which side won, and for that reason the non-winner may want to hide what the bet was over.
Quote: Zugathis was a private bet, that has nothing to do with this site and the management. Hence I do not see any reason for a ban, especially since we do not know all the details of this bet.
It was not a legal bet, but the moral thing would be for both sides to honor the original deal.
Furthermore I reckon the public scrutiny would be enough of the penalty and punishment for a member that did not honor the bet.
Look what I found.
Cheat on your wife/girlfriend/boyfriend/husband but don't cheat people out of money.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/20168-did-i-win-27-777/5/#post411641
Though it was not booked in public.
I note that StrictlyAP did get prompt payment on the bet he booked that he won.
I agree that reputation is about the most important thing a serious gambler can have, but if they have the bankroll not being able to work is just plain false. It is not a requirement to work with others to be an ap. Yeah it makes it easier.Quote: djatcOne thing about gamblers is sometimes your word is all you have. Lost that trust and you will never work in las Vegas, let alone anywhere else. You could lose all your money but if you are trustworthy you will never go bust, just broke.
Cheat on your wife/girlfriend/boyfriend/husband but don't cheat people out of money.
Quote: djatcOne thing about gamblers is sometimes your word is all you have. Lost that trust and you will never work in las Vegas, let alone anywhere else. You could lose all your money but if you are trustworthy you will never go bust, just broke.
Cheat on your wife/girlfriend/boyfriend/husband but don't cheat people out of money.
Aw no, don't want the severed private parts flying out the car window on I-15 while I'm still in bed.
Cheat at monopoly or scrabble--something safe.
Quote: rxwineGo figure.
hah.
Hahaha great find.
It's where you make a personal bet here, and each voluntarily send each other a pm agreeing to have your original pms released if one of you feel there is a problem after the bet has run its course.
If you have one, you can release it without further consent, but if you don't you get banned yourself.
Of course, if you get someone to agree to something like that or similar, you probably won't have problem. Unless it's a lot of money, then they may just run off instead of paying you.
Just an idea.
Or maybe just pay your dang bets, and you'll have no problems.
If the bet was about the lottery card, my guess is that he feels that he was cheated. Maybe he thinks Aye knew the outcome.
Is Aye allowed to post pm's from a banned member?
Quote: GWAEI think we should speculate what the issue actually was.
If the bet was about the lottery card, my guess is that he feels that he was cheated. Maybe he thinks Aye knew the outcome.
Then the question comes back around which has been asked a few times. Why didn't he just say that?
Quote: DeucekiesThen the question comes back around which has been asked a few times. Why didn't he just say that?
If he says that, and Aye can prove his side, then SAP loses. But if SAP has a hidden reason, he can't be proven to be wrong.
Good riddance, he needed to go.
Quote: GWAE...Is Aye allowed to post pm's from a banned member?
I think I am. However, I just noted in the "Discussion About The Suspension List" thread, that the Wizard is open to un-nuking strictlyAP, so I'll wait for now, but I am certain that there would be no other finding, except in my favor. He lost a wager and refused to pay. He admitted he lost the wager, and bragged that he would not pay. Later, he lied about a phone conversation as the reason for not paying.
I am bummed to be out $100, but I am glad that no one else got burned, especially with the Superbowl this week. Maybe we need a thread where wagers between members could be posted, and settlement noted. Sort of like eBay ratings.
Thanks to everyone for your support. I appreciate it.
Quote: mcallister3200I agree that reputation is about the most important thing a serious gambler can have, but if they have the bankroll not being able to work is just plain false. It is not a requirement to work with others to be an ap. Yeah it makes it easier.
All serious gamblers take action and make deals daily. Why expose yourself too much to one play?
Quote: Ayecarumba
I am bummed to be out $100, but I am glad that no one else got burned, especially with the Superbowl this week. Maybe we need a thread where wagers between members could be posted, and settlement noted. Sort of like eBay ratings.
Thanks to everyone for your support. I appreciate it.
I have mentioned that in the past, but people have said they would rather not have 1 place that shows their action.
There could be one that shows people whom welched and the outcome or even people who slow pay.
I am so glad it was only $100. SAP made it seem like it was $1000 a few pages back.
Quote: GWAEI have mentioned that in the past, but people have said they would rather not have 1 place that shows their action.
There could be one that shows people whom welched and the outcome or even people who slow pay.
I am so glad it was only $100. SAP made it seem like it was $1000 a few pages back.
I'd be willing to privately witness and, if necessary, arbitrate any/all PM-based wagers.
Quote: RSI'll put up 3 Palms Car Wash Tokens to win 2 palms car wash tokens that strictlyAP Welches.
Djatc you in? If you win, that's like 3 years of free car washes.*it is not my responsibility to ensure the Palms Car Wash is still in effect or working.
I would have taken your action but I don't have anymore tokens..... should have bet my free movie tickets at the Palms instead. I know a guy that wants to see American Sniper again.
Wait HOW DO U GET FREE MOVIE TICKETS? I'm like a VIP at that joint.
I can confirm Djatc got everybody a bunch of free movie tickets.Quote: RSI wanna see American Sniper.
Wait HOW DO U GET FREE MOVIE TICKETS? I'm like a VIP at that joint.
The sad part was he didn't even get to stay and watch the movies.
I got stuck watching In To the Woods with my GF(The movie trailer looked good) instead of the gambler(bad reviews) , I didn't realize ITTW was a musical until after I committed.
I suspect Dj got his free tickets the old fashion way, and a safe word was involved, unfortunately the safe word was "more".
Quote: AxelWolfI can confirm Djatc got everybody a bunch of free movie tickets.
The sad part was he didn't even get to stay and watch the movies.
I got stuck watching In To the Woods with my GF(The movie trailer looked good) instead of the gambler(bad reviews) , I didn't realize ITTW was a musical until after I committed.
I suspect Dj got his free tickets the old fashion way, and a safe word was involved, unfortunately the safe word was "more".
I fell asleep during Into the Woods and missed about 70% of it. I need blood and injuries to keep me watching. :)
ZCore13
how strange I just had a conversation with a forum member and said the exact same thingQuote: GWAEI think we should speculate what the issue actually was.
If the bet was about the lottery card, my guess is that he feels that he was cheated. Maybe he thinks Aye knew the outcome.
Is Aye allowed to post pm's from a banned member?
The only reason I would have wanted to meet was curiosity, and curiosity is what makes you click on phishing emails. I was cured of that long ago.
Or $100 less than you started the day with ;)Quote: MoscaI do sort of think I should have taken StrictlyAP up on his offer to meet in person and hear his side, except I figured I would have gotten punked, or stood up, or attempted to have been played for a chump, because that's what it looked to me like was happening in that topic. I would have been party to only one side making his case, and that side being the offender.
The only reason I would have wanted to meet was curiosity, and curiosity is what makes you click on phishing emails. I was cured of that long ago.
Quote: Baccaratfrom79I don't know you guys but I do know I became a man in the Bronx and to this day I can walk anywhere in the Bronx, Jerome Avenue or down in Hunts Point, anywhere. A man's word is all he has, how it is interpreted only he and the one's he deals with knows.
A man's word ... yes ... this thing of welching is very much akin to lying.
