When a forum member doesn't pay
I haven't set up a Amazon account(do you need to have an account?). I dislike the site for some reason, I usually use Ebay buy it now if I shop online.Quote: beachbumbabsSome folks on here like Amazon gift cards. Seems like you could do that anonymously and without a fee; I think the recipient just needs a code to redeem it.
But I don't have first-hand experience buying their gift cards, so maybe someone who does it regularly will chime in.
Quote: beachbumbabsYou don't have to have an account to buy on Amazon. They ship free for purchases over $35. I think their gift cards don't have to be a physical card (though they can be) so they wouldn't charge for shipping something they didn't ship.
But I don't have first-hand experience buying their gift cards, so maybe someone who does it regularly will chime in.
The gift cards can just be emailed to the recipient in any amount. It actually works very well for transferring money assuming you will use the Amazon credit. The only information required is that of the recipients email address.
I find it interesting that StrictlyAP hasn't paid yet. I was involved with a $20 wager with him regarding the lottery ticket as well. I lost my bet and paid him via Amazon the very next day. Since that transaction, he has not acknowledged receiving the $20 although I have asked for confirmation multiple times. I also found it interesting that he seems to ignore and not read the PM's. In that case my experience is the same as Ayecarumba's.
It sounds like he is acknowledging that he owes the money but has waited over a month to handle it. At some point one must begin to question the integrity of someone who keeps promising to pay but keeps coming up with excuses not to.
I have played many contest here and paid the wizard as well as the contest with midwest ap as well as dealt with aye carumba in the past- if this was life changing or cash involved I could understand this is a gift which takes some effort to go an obtain and i was upfront with aye carumba with that from the start- clearly he took to make this public so it is what it is and it will be handled the second I get to a local that has a cvs or riteaid that I can obtain one at
the 100 is not the issue I will further that aye carumba cannot wait for me to get to a store after the holiday I will send western union to him friday morning
I was unware that this was such an urgent nature
so as further discussion, as you can see drich I did not respond to you either becasue I was swampped and there was no money owed
we can revisit this after the holidays if it was not paid but at this point my statement is the same until then
Regardless of whether strictlyAP had properly negotiated a later payment date, the real issue is communication.
If you have time to make dozens of posts on the forum, you have time to reply to Ayecarumba's PMs.
"I didn't check PMs" is no excuse when you have an outstanding bet.
While I do not agree with all the details of your explanation, I will let everyone know when the obligation is satisfied by updating this thread after payment is received.Quote: strictlyAPdrich, I havent checked my pms in a month I have been traveling as this is a very lucrative time for the ap that I play- I explained that I do not use credit cards on the internet to buy a card and that when I GOT BACK AFTER the holiday I would go to a store in person and buy a card and send the code
I have played many contest here and paid the wizard as well as the contest with midwest ap as well as dealt with aye carumba in the past- if this was life changing or cash involved I could understand this is a gift which takes some effort to go an obtain and i was upfront with aye carumba with that from the start- clearly he took to make this public so it is what it is and it will be handled the second I get to a local that has a cvs or riteaid that I can obtain one at
the 100 is not the issue I will further that aye carumba cannot wait for me to get to a store after the holiday I will send western union to him friday morning
I was unware that this was such an urgent nature
so as further discussion, as you can see drich I did not respond to you either becasue I was swampped and there was no money owed
we can revisit this after the holidays if it was not paid but at this point my statement is the same until then
Quote: AxelWolfWhats the best easy anonymous payment method?
Cash in a snail mail letter with no return address.
Do it every Christmas to my 2 nephews but my letter has a return address :-)
Not obvious colored envelopes, just standard white envelope with cash in a folded letter.
They always get it.
Quote: onenickelmiracleI do remember Wizard mentioning a deal gone wrong with juicyjenny which was obviously a private communication, so precedent has been set. A bet doesn't include a reasonable expectation of privacy to hide nonpayment.
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Um, I'm pretty sure it contains a reasonable expectation to not be subject to libel. It's strongly implied here that strictlyAP did not intend to pay, and he claims he did. Whether or not he changed his mind at some point is irrelevant. If he says he did pay, I think the juiciejenny precedent clearly demonstrates you have to vaguely say there's a dispute...not claim he didn't pay. So maybe there is some privacy expected for welchers.
Quote: strictlyAP...we can revisit this after the holidays if it was not paid but at this point my statement is the same until then
As of now, I have still not been paid, but you were able to pay the NFL picks debt to Wizard, (which was resolved well after our wager). When can I expect payment?
Quote: AyecarumbaAs of now, I have still not been paid, but you were able to pay the NFL picks debt to Wizard, (which was resolved well after our wager). When can I expect payment?
Having read this thread I was just curious if the issue had been resolved or is it still ongoing?
Almost two months after the result was determined, I am still waiting for strictlyAP to honor his debt.Quote: Zviking17Having read this thread I was just curious if the issue had been resolved or is it still ongoing?
Quote: strictlyAPI cannot disclose pms but there are multiple reasons why it was not handled - in fact feel free to check the nfl mission pool where I paid above what was owed just for him running the pool- aye carumba took this public so I'm going to leave it at tbat
I assumed you had already handled this. Your post earlier said you would pay it right after New Year's.
I am pretty sure the rules say you can post the PM's you sent. Why not post those so we can get a better understanding.
AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED, I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND ANYONE MAKE A BET WITH StrictlyAP.
strictlyAP has my permission to post all the PM' s related to this issue.Quote: DRichI assumed you had already handled this. Your post earlier said you would pay it right after New Year's.
I am pretty sure the rules say you can post the PM's you sent. Why not post those so we can get a better understanding.
AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED, I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND ANYONE MAKE A BET WITH StrictlyAP.
Quote: strictlyAPI cannot disclose pms but there are multiple reasons why it was not handled - in fact feel free to check the nfl mission pool where I paid above what was owed just for him running the pool- aye carumba took this public so I'm going to leave it at tbat
I hope you are not one of those types that pull the ol
now you complained in public, I don't have to pay
a debt is a debt
I don't know what's going on but I have made several bets here and all were settled.
You overpaying in a pool means nothing.
Say somebody gives a million to charity, and stiffs a small bet. The million to charity is meaningless. a debt is a debt.
Please post the PM's , seems ok if both say ok to it.
Quote: onenickelmiracleIf he can't afford to pay this bet now, he is strictly not ap. Might have actually been a public post on the subject of the made bet, but he deletes every post in violation of forum rules, so he should pay me too since we're using monkey gorilla logic here now.
In the world there are people that make it very hard on people they owe money to.
Everybody knows the type.
The person that owes the debt argues, they avoid , they make false promises, they do everything in the book to frustrate the person they owe money too.
The reasoning in their mind is they want to frustrate the collector to the point that the collector makes the dispute public.
Now the person that owes the debt feels mission accomplished, I pushed the collector over the edge, its public now so therefore I don't have to pay.
What I don't understand is the logic that if the debt if public, how does that absolve a debt.
A debt is a debt.
Being out in the public does not absolve a debt.
In the real world, debts are sold to complete strangers.
A deadbeat refuses to pay a legitimate debt, often that debt is sold to a complete stranger for pennies on the dollar.
In the real world , by a debt being sold to a stranger, proves debts are not private.
Taking a debt public is meaningless, a debt is a debt. That's how it works in the real world.
Same should apply here on this board.
A debt is a debt.
So whats up strictlyap?
A legitimate beef or are youi the type above?
Many suggested to me both in private and on the forum that I should not have paid HB due to some insults or whatever. Me paying my debts is never about the person I am paying, it is always about me.
I noticed you still owe me $1. It's been over 1 year now. Ohh you just thought I would forget about it ehh?Quote: djatcNot paying debts seems AP.... Strictly speaking from a pure business sense.
That expired car wash token isn't going to make up for it ...the car wash is now closed.
Where's my money B@$!T?? I can't be responsible for whatever happens to you now. Lock your door's and watch your back.
I think you owe me a dollar to.Quote: SOOPOOIt's not my forum. If it was, StrictlyAP would be permanently banned. I consider welshing a far worse offense than a personal insult. Far worse than trolling. I couldn't care less if the bet is not legal. I couldn't care less if the bet is not enforceable.
Many suggested to me both in private and on the forum that I should not have paid HB due to some insults or whatever. Me paying my debts is never about the person I am paying, it is always about me.
I purchase the debt from Aye at no discount.
Now I own the debt.
You pay me in full for the debt owed to Aye.
Its a win win for everybody here.
In the real world private debt is sold all the time to total complete strangers.
This is better, I'm not a complete stranger. I'm a known trusted member that has actually met other members in real life.
I videotaped the infamous mission mcgnugget fail and met the Wiz and other members.
I've also made bets here and paid them all off. Several members can attest to that fact that I am honest.
How about it AP? That is if Aye agrees and you agree to settle the debt if I purchase it.
Name the movie.
Quote: AxelWolfI think you owe me a dollar to.
You were a tad inebriated the last time we were together. Your memory fails you!
Quote: SOOPOOIt's not my forum. If it was, StrictlyAP would be permanently banned. I consider welshing a far worse offense than a personal insult. Far worse than trolling. I couldn't care less if the bet is not legal. I couldn't care less if the bet is not enforceable.
Many suggested to me both in private and on the forum that I should not have paid HB due to some insults or whatever. Me paying my debts is never about the person I am paying, it is always about me.
this was a private bet, that has nothing to do with this site and the management. Hence I do not see any reason for a ban, especially since we do not know all the details of this bet.
It was not a legal bet, but the moral thing would be for both sides to honor the original deal.
Furthermore I reckon the public scrutiny would be enough of the penalty and punishment for a member that did not honor the bet.
Quote: Zugathis was a private bet, that has nothing to do with this site and the management. Hence I do not see any reason for a ban, especially since we do not know all the details of this bet.
It was not a legal bet, but the moral thing would be for both sides to honor the original deal.
Furthermore I reckon the public scrutiny would be enough of the penalty and punishment for a member that did not honor the bet.
The bet was made using this forum. It was discussed at length on this forum. The welsher admitted he made the bet. He admitted he has not paid up on the debt. We do know the details of the bet. As a forum owner, I would not want that person in any way on my forum. It is your forum, so of course it is solely your call.
You're right it was $5 sorry my mistake.Quote: SOOPOOYou were a tad inebriated the last time we were together. Your memory fails you!
Quote: KeeneoneBetter Off Dead - starring John Cusack
Winner Winner. Classic 80's movie.
I'll be happy to run a freeroll on here for 125 if someone wants to create I don't need the money but he clearly knows why he isn't getting it he can claim no knowledge but it's a front
Quote: strictlyAPAye carumna knows come rely why he isn't getting it and wants to play like he doesn't
I'll be happy to run a freeroll on here for 125 if someone wants to create I don't need the money but he clearly knows why he isn't getting it he can claim no knowledge but it's a front
Inquiring minds want to know.
He gave his permission to post his PM's to you.
Sounds like you have a legitimate beef.
Lets hear it.
Your 125 offer, very generous, but meaningless in regards to settling a debt.
All this says is you have the money to pay the debt but choose not too.
If a person chooses to give a million to charity but welches on a small debt with no legitimate beef. That person is still a welcher regardless if its 125 to charity or a gazillion dollars to charity. A person that owes with no legitimate beef and refuses to pay is a welcher.
What's the legit beef?
Are you seriously considering paying Aye in an extremely convoluted way.
Run a freeroll , pay the winners and the winners send the payment to aye to settle your debt.
Cmon, its absurd and ridiculous.
Quote: strictlyAPAye carumna knows come rely why he isn't getting it and wants to play like he doesn't
I'll be happy to run a freeroll on here for 125 if someone wants to create I don't need the money but he clearly knows why he isn't getting it he can claim no knowledge but it's a front
Light bulb,
one person participates in freeroll, wins, pays aye.
Everybody is happy.
How about it StrictlyAP, Its the perfect solution.
You offered 125 to the forum for a freeroll, Aye gets paid.
Its a win for everybody :-)
Quote: BozQuote: KeeneoneBetter Off Dead - starring John Cusack
Winner Winner. Classic 80's movie.
Damn, Keeneone beat me too it. One of my favs.
Quote: strictlyAPAye carumna knows come rely why he isn't getting it and wants to play like he doesn't
I'll be happy to run a freeroll on here for 125 if someone wants to create I don't need the money but he clearly knows why he isn't getting it he can claim no knowledge but it's a front
This is embarrassing. You are admitting you made the bet, and owe the money, and are refusing to pay him. Why would you embarrass yourself like this?
this is putting casinos in a better light. If only there weren't stories about them welching LOL
Doesn't matter if the bet was on the forum, private, public, enforceable or not. A Welcher is a Welcher. Welchers should not be welcome on a gambling forum, of all places.
Quote: terapinedHow about this StrictlyAP if Aye agrees.
I purchase the debt from Aye at no discount.
Now I own the debt.
You pay me in full for the debt owed to Aye.
Its a win win for everybody here.
In the real world private debt is sold all the time to total complete strangers.
This is better, I'm not a complete stranger. I'm a known trusted member that has actually met other members in real life.
I videotaped the infamous mission mcgnugget fail and met the Wiz and other members.
I've also made bets here and paid them all off. Several members can attest to that fact that I am honest.
How about it AP? That is if Aye agrees and you agree to settle the debt if I purchase it.
Debts are purchased all the time but always at a huge discount. Why would you purchase it at no discount?
Quote: GWAEDebts are purchased all the time but always at a huge discount. Why would you purchase it at no discount?
To help out Aye.
Obviously Strictly has a problem paying Aye.
Maybe he wont have a problem paying me.
Just trying to help out fellow forum member Aye.
I would purchase it at no discount because I just want to help.
How about it Strictly :-)
I know its risky. Can Strictly be trusted if he agrees to this solution?
Quote: strictlyAPAye carumna knows come rely why he isn't getting it and wants to play like he doesn't
I'll be happy to run a freeroll on here for 125 if someone wants to create I don't need the money but he clearly knows why he isn't getting it he can claim no knowledge but it's a front
Why don't you create it?
Its your idea, its your money.
Its a bit of work.
I have no interest in running it because you might simply not contribute the 125..
If you were serious, you would handle the freeroll yourself.
Besides this is all a meaningless gesture, if you owe then you owe.
Quote: BeardgoatFor the record, I made a bet with ayecraumba last week for the college championship game and he paid me the same night as the game.
I have won and lost bets with ayecraumba and he always has been very nice and quick in his communication and payment. I cannot imagine what problem StrictlyAp would have with him.
Nothing has changed.Quote: AcesAndEightsIs there an update on this? Just curious. So everyone knows who and who not to make bets with.
strictlyAP has admitted that he owes me, but has also indicated that he does not intend to pay.
I appreciate the support from other members of the board, and their offers to help.
I repeat my previous statement that strictlyAP has my permission to share my PM' s to him. I also ask that he extend the same permission to me.
Quote: AyecarumbaNothing has changed.
strictlyAP has admitted that he owes me, but has also indicated that he does not intend to pay.
I appreciate the support from other members of the board, and their offers to help.
I repeat my previous statement that strictlyAP has my permission to share my PM' s to him. I also ask that he extend the same permission to me.
Thank you for the update. Making bets and not paying is strictly AP, indeed.
Quote: AcesAndEightsThank you for the update. Making bets and not paying is strictly AP, indeed.
I say it's strictly welching.
Its fun.
I'm sure I will continue to make bets with members
except strictlyap
