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Quote: coachbellyScrolling through a post takes a fraction of a second.
The tag lines don't annoy all the members...as far as you know they only annoy a few complainers.
The current moderators haven't taken any action regarding the "annoying" content, so there's precedent not to take action.
It's not appropriate for you to announce your intention to break precedent in that regard.
I'll object to your participation as moderator on that basis.
So lame.
On the bright side, I think Mission is happier not being a mod here.
When I was an Admin, at least the majority of that time, my job was an advantage. I had a lot of downtime where I worked.
I am not active on many forums (really any more just this forum and DT is the extent of my online activity, and this forum not really much lately as COVID has pretty much cut out casino trips for the past 1.5 years). But, I will say this forum is run perfectly (compared to many other forums I have visited over the years). The rules are clear, when people violate the rules they get a very specific citation to where the violation was (usually after a warning) that caused the suspension. Many forums have mods that will just ban people whimsically, but this forum has great and consistent standards. Even when there is rule changes they are advertised well in advanced and usually have a buffer period. I am not sure where I am going with this, other than to say the way this forum is run is excellent and it is important that future mods embody this characteristic.
So thank you to all of the team that make this forum great, it stands as an example of what many other forums could be. I don't think the Admins/Mods get enough credit, but I truly think they do a great job in an (often) challenging leadership role.
Also, thanks for all the kind words! You said Cash App, right? JK
I’m considering Coach Belly’s objection moot.
Coach Belly objected based on my interpretation of Rules #5 and #7 and how I planned to enforce those rules.
There may be others, but in this thread, MarcusClark is the individual who my interpretation of these rules would have applied to. In fact, I directly told MarcusClark that I may make this request out of him in my capacity as Administrator.
Since then, MarcusClark has directly endorsed me to be an Administrator here.
Thus, I consider the basis for Coach Belly’s objection nullified by MarcusClark’s direct endorsement of me.
That said, six days remain. Also, Coach Belly has the option to just object to me, in general. I think I should help him by pointing out that he doesn’t actually have to give a reason.
Quote: Mission146Here we are:
I’m considering Coach Belly’s objection moot.
Coach Belly objected based on my interpretation of Rules #5 and #7 and how I planned to enforce those rules.
There may be others, but in this thread, MarcusClark is the individual who my interpretation of these rules would have applied to. In fact, I directly told MarcusClark that I may make this request out of him in my capacity as Administrator.
Since then, MarcusClark has directly endorsed me to be an Administrator here.
Thus, I consider the basis for Coach Belly’s objection nullified by MarcusClark’s direct endorsement of me.
That said, six days remain. Also, Coach Belly has the option to just object to me, in general. I think I should help him by pointing out that he doesn’t actually have to give a reason.
You should change your name to MartyrSyndrome146. :-P
Quote: unJonI think Mission is happier not being a mod here.
Then you'll agree that I was prescient.
Quote: Mission146
Anyway, if you object, then that’s that and I’m out of this thread. I kind of figured you’d be the one to object.
That's all it takes to get you out of the running, an
objection? Do you think I should approve you
after the way you've been treating me on the
other forum lately? I even have a PM from
another member there asking me why Mission
is out to 'get you'.
Quote: EvenBobThat's all it takes to get you out of the running, an
objection? Do you think I should approve you
after the way you've been treating me on the
other forum lately? I even have a PM from
another member there asking me why Mission
is out to 'get you'.
Feel free to object to me, if you like. After all, you are the other person who I predicted would do so.
I have no interest in swaying your opinion on this.
Quote: Mission146I would perhaps Moderate here again, but only if there are zero objections.
Quote: Mission146My condition is that not a single Member in good standing, with a Join Date on or before 1/1/2020, raises an objection in this thread within the next seven (7) days. If even a single Member objects to my being an Administrator during this time, then I will not do it.
I don't see any conditions listed regarding the basis for an objection.
Can a member set conditions, then disregard them if they backfire on him?
Quote: Mission146I’m considering Coach Belly’s objection moot.
YesQuote: coachbellyI don't see any conditions listed regarding the basis for an objection.
Can a member set conditions, then disregard them if they backfire on him?
Quote: coachbellyI don't see any conditions listed regarding the basis for an objection.
Can a member set conditions, then disregard them if they backfire on him?
Sure, I can do whatever the hell I want.
Your objection is demonstrably poorly-founded, thus, I disregard it. To remedy this, all you need do is object without giving a reason.
In fact, I’d accepted your original objection, except MarcusClark nullified it by endorsing me.
Quote: coachbellyThen you'll agree that I was prescient.
I will do no such thing.
Quote: Mission146I have no interest in swaying your opinion on this.
So much for even-handedness.
I'll reiterate my objection based on recent inequitable treatment of members.
Quote: coachbellySo much for even-handedness.
I'll reiterate my objection based on recent inequitable treatment of members.
I reject this objection. EvenBob can object to me on the basis of his conversation with me, if he wishes.
All I said to EB was I am not going to attempt to sway HIS opinion of whether to object to me or not. That matter does not concern you.
Just object without giving a reason. That’s all you have to do.
ADDED: Your objection is also invalidated by the fact that I am not presently an Administrator. I have no obligation to avoid, “Inequitable treatment,” as I have no authority over anyone else here.
Quote: Mission146Sure, I can do whatever the hell I want.
I knew that you would...I predicted it in a PM.
Marcus Clark can't legitimately nullify my objection, I never mentioned him in my objection.
I only cited "annoying" content...the MC situation is an anecdote that demonstrates your predisposition to ignore precedent.
You're disqualified from being a mod based on that predisposition alone.
Quote: coachbellyI knew that you would...I predicted it in a PM.
Marcus Clark can't legitimately nullify my objection, I never mentioned him in my objection.
I only cited "annoying" content...the MC situation is an anecdote that demonstrates your predisposition to ignore precedent.
You're disqualified from being a mod based on that predisposition alone.
So you strenuously object?
Quote: coachbellyI knew that you would...I predicted it in a PM.
Marcus Clark can't legitimately nullify my objection, I never mentioned him in my objection.
I only cited "annoying" content...the MC situation is an anecdote that demonstrates your predisposition to ignore precedent.
You're disqualified from being a mod based on that predisposition alone.
You’re wrong again. That’s how Administration works.
1. If precedent were not challenged, there would never be any new rules or new ways to enforce the current rules.
2. Precedent of NOT following existing rules is not good precedent. In fact, my resignation before was indirectly and partially related to the fact that a rule was not being followed.
3. You assume that the matter of tag lines has not been mentioned. You have no reason to assume this. For all you know, I was simply going to enforce something that had already been decided.
How would you know? You wouldn’t.
4. Your objection is rooted in a Rule being ignored. As an Administrator, it would be my job to enforce the rules—not ignore them.
5. Even if precedent did exist, then for precedent to continue would be exclusively Wizard’s decision if an Admin wanted to enforce the Rules rather than operate according to precedent.
For all of these reasons, I declare your objection groundless and of zero merit.
However, you can object without giving a reason why. If you do this, I will accept immediately as there would be nothing for me to invalidate.
Quote: MDawgI believe we have enough rules.
And I disagree with Mission146's intent to make MarcusClark66 or anyone else prune his signature, taglines, bylines, curriculum vitae, whatever! so long as these do not violate any forum rules against politics, religion, etc.
At some point I would think anyone reading such things would just blip past them. I don't labor over every person's signature, I don't think I even notice most of them or if I do, I notice them maybe once in a blue moon and definitely not every time I read a person's post. I fail to see the need to micromanage us as if we were horses requiring blinders, to keep us away from hidden threads and now, even, signatures.
Was there no communication in this car? Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts? -Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas.
Quote: Mission146Just object without giving a reason. That’s all you have to do.
For now I prefer to state reasons. As it turns out, there are many.
I'll object again based on your unwillingness to adhere to the conditions that you set without coercion...
Quote: Mission146My condition is that not a single Member in good standing, with a Join Date on or before 1/1/2020, raises an objection in this thread within the next seven (7) days. If even a single Member objects to my being an Administrator during this time, then I will not do it.
Quote: unJonSo you strenuously object?
I never strain.
Quote: coachbellyFor now I prefer to state reasons. As it turns out, there are many.
I'll object again based on your unwillingness to adhere to the conditions that you set without coercion...
Yeah, objection declined.
It’s going to be kind of cowardly for me to submit to objections that are obviously groundless, so now you’re just reaching. My advice is for you to just object without giving a reason.
I honestly have no idea why you wouldn’t. I’ll accept that objection without argument.
No one should be a sex "object"!
Quote: Mission146My advice is for you to just object without giving a reason.
Thanks for the advice...apparently we have no argument...I object.
Quote: coachbellyThanks for the advice...apparently we have no argument...I object.
Was that so hard?
I also asked for someone to object that way on Page 10:
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/info/announcements/36249-wanted-moderators/10/#post816627
But, that was mainly because I didn’t want anyone else to inadvertently say something that could be construed as personal insult.
I’m glad you have finally accepted that you can’t beat me in any argument related to Forum Administration or the Rules, and consequently chose to object without giving a reason.
The fact that you couldn’t beat me demonstrates, of course, that I was at least a pretty good Administrator when I did it.
Anyway, I have no reason to follow this thread and plan to send a PM for someone I recommend to Wizard in the morning.
Quote: Mission146Feel free to object to me, if you like.
Why would I think you're not out to get
me here if you're obviously out to get
me there.
"Hit me!" said the masochist.
"No!" sneered the sadist.
Quote: MrVThis thread, in a nutshell:
"Hit me!" said the masochist.
"No!" sneered the sadist.
I don't think Mission wants this at all.
He knew I would object, and a few
others would also. Why would I
want him as a mod again.
Quote: EvenBobWhy would I think you're not out to get
me here if you're obviously out to get
me there.
Get you with what? I have no authority there. If I posted something you think violates a Rule, then complain to Wizard.
Quote: Mission146Here we are:
I’m considering Coach Belly’s objection moot.
Coach Belly objected based on my interpretation of Rules #5 and #7 and how I planned to enforce those rules.
There may be others, but in this thread, MarcusClark is the individual who my interpretation of these rules would have applied to. In fact, I directly told MarcusClark that I may make this request out of him in my capacity as Administrator.
Since then, MarcusClark has directly endorsed me to be an Administrator here.
Thus, I consider the basis for Coach Belly’s objection nullified by MarcusClark’s direct endorsement of me.
That said, six days remain. Also, Coach Belly has the option to just object to me, in general. I think I should help him by pointing out that he doesn’t actually have to give a reason.
You are off to a great start. You are going back on your word before you even get the job.
What was the point of making ridiculous demands if you aren't going to stand by them.
You shoot yourself in the foot.
Quote: billryanYou are off to a great start. You are going back on your word before you even get the job.
What was the point of making ridiculous demands if you aren't going to stand by them.
You shoot yourself in the foot.
I’m not accepting a garbage reason.
CoachBelly has since objected without stating a reason and I have accepted that objection.
Also, I said on Page 10 for someone just to say, “I object.”
Quote: Mission146I’m not accepting a garbage reason.
CoachBelly has since objected without stating a reason and I have accepted that objection.
Also, I said on Page 10 for someone just to say, “I object.”
The biggest garbage reason is simply "I object" for no reason.
My opinion!
Quote: darkozThe biggest garbage reason is simply "I object" for no reason.
My opinion!
Maybe, but I really can’t argue with something that has no reason, can I?
It takes a certain special kind of person to prevent something that he knows the overwhelming majority of other people want.Quote: coachbellyThanks for the advice...apparently we have no argument...I object.
Seems like a metaphor for something.
Please also note that I’d accepted Coach Belly’s original objection. I had no way of knowing that MarcusClark was going to endorse me directly after that…it actually came as a huge surprise!
At that point, I was going to force Belly to give a good reason or essentially admit that he has nothing that he wishes to defend against my arguments.
Quote: MichaelBluejayIt takes a certain special kind of person to prevent something that he knows the overwhelming majority of other people want.
In matters of principle, stand like a rock...in matters of taste, swim with the current.
Quote: Mission146Maybe, but I really can’t argue with something that has no reason, can I?
You didn't say you would debate anyone who objected. You said if anyone objected, you wouldn't take the job. Your stipulations, not anyone else. It was a dumb stipulation but you made it.
When a sig is where it's supposed to be, that's easy to do, because it's in a light gray font, separated from the post by a bar. In the post itself, it's the same style of text as the post, so you necessarily start reading it before you realize that it's there only because someone wants to flatter himself with every post he makes.Quote: MDawgAt some point I would think anyone reading such things would just blip past them.[signatures]
About that, what exactly is the difference between "Professional Casino Security Expert" and just "Casino Security Expert"? What kind of person puts "Professional" in front of his job description?
Oh, I guess the same kind of person who uses nine lines to describe himself in each and every post.
Quote: MichaelBluejayWhat kind of person puts "Professional" in front of his job description?
Who cares?...You?
Quote: billryanYou didn't say you would debate anyone who objected. You said if anyone objected, you wouldn't take the job. Your stipulations, not anyone else. It was a dumb stipulation but you made it.
I wasn’t expecting someone to give a reason that a different person would directly invalidate!
I was accepting Coach Belly’s objection one way or the other, then there was also the matter of EvenBob popping in, so I decided to have a little fun.
I also know what post EB is referring to at DT, so I now apologize to EB for making it—even though it violated no Forum Rules. Honestly, I was of the impression that he doesn’t like me, so I just saw that post as a haymaker in our back and forth. Tomorrow, I will find the appropriate thread on DT and also apologize to him there.
Quote: Mission146Get you with what?
You know exactly what I'm talking about.
I would post a copy here it that was allowed.
Hell yes I object to you being a mod, why
would I want that.
Quote: billryanWhy is Marcus Clark's endorsement worth so much to you?
I like MarcusClark, tag lines aside. He has kind of a fun style to him. When I asked why he’d think I’d be gunning for him, it was because I was legitimately curious.
You really just don’t go around trying to ban people for fun, especially if they’re keeping to the rules and add entertainment value.
Quote: EvenBobYou know exactly what I'm talking about.
I would post a copy here it that was allowed.
Hell yes I object to you being a mod, why
would I want that.
Well, Coach already has anyway.
Besides, I apologize (see post above the one quoted) if we’re talking about the same thing. I didn’t mean to hurt your feelings, except I was of the impression you dislike me anyway.
I defended your TV tastes just the other day. We both love Downton Abbey, but let’s not derail this thread with our trivialities. We can resume this line at DT.
Quote: Mission146I wasn’t expecting someone to give a reason that a different person would directly invalidate!
Marcus Clark could not invalidate my objection, unless you were looking for a reason to renege on the conditions that you set without input or coercion.
Your attitude towards Marcus Clark was anecdotal evidence of how you would objectionably moderate.
I'm with Mission on this one. When you post an idea, you can't imagine all the myriad ways people will try to circumvent your actual intent, and then whine about it when you try to clarify. That's why when I post an offer here, I try to remember to include a disclaimer that the rules are subject to change.
Speaking of whining, up until now I've blocked people only for insults, but I'm seriously considering blocking a couple just for being annoying.
Quote: coachbellyMarcus Clark could not invalidate my objection, unless you were looking for a reason to renege on the conditions that you set without input or coercion.
Your attitude towards Marcus Clark was anecdotal evidence of how you would objectionably moderate.
Yes, he could.
In substance, you objected to my interpretation of a rule and how I would enforce it despite it not being enforced that way, as yet. The person to whom this enforcement would apply was MarcusClark—who directly endorsed me even though I told him that! I literally told him I might ask him to keep the tags to once per page.
Besides, I was ultimately going to accept your objection one way or another. I just wanted to have a little debate fun and force you into objecting without giving a reason.
Finally, on Page 10, I directly encouraged folks just to say, “I object,” and leave it at that. Don’t give me something to argue, or I will.
Quote: Mission146Yes, he could
Yes he could, if you were were looking for a reason to renege on the conditions that you set without input or coercion.
You appointed yourself judge in a contract dispute that you were party to.
That's misconduct...which disqualifies you from being a mod.
Quote: coachbellyYes he could, if you were were looking for a reason to renege on the conditions that you set without input or coercion.
You appointed yourself judge in a contract dispute that you were party to.
That's misconduct...which disqualifies you from being a mod.
Give it up. I was ultimately going to accept your objection anyway. Why would I ask you to just say, “I object,” without giving a reason every other post?
Do you want an argument in favor of me being a Mod? Here’s one: The one person who I said I would be taking Admin action on endorsed me.
My argument is invalid. You have objected. There’s nothing else to talk about.
Don’t worry, you might get the better of me next go around. We’re still only tied, from where I stand.
Mission: do you want to moderate? If yes, just do it.
Wizard:. Will you accept Mission as moderator?
If yes, turn him hulk smash green.
No one else needs to be a part of this decision.
