NV Gov. Announces Casinos not Opening till phase 3 or 4
Quote: WizardThis has probably been mentioned before, but the Treasure Island is accepting reservations starting May 26, with a strongly worded disclaimer they may have to push it back, if forced.
Many casinos have had opening dates announced... but none has opened.
Some announced they were going to open in late Aoril.
There are multiple reasons for announcing an opening, including:
1. They want to get reservation $$
2. They want to get commitments
3. They want to gauge interest
4. They want to plan just in case they can open
But no one is giving the Vegas casinos any kind of green light or even a target date.
And frankly, without airline traffic Vegas casinos can't open. 75% of Vegas tourists fly in and the casinos need 50% occupancy to reopen the hotels.
The 25% driving in won't be enough.
Indian casinos in California and casinos in the Northeast where millions can drive in will open before Vegas.
Quote: AlanMendelson
And frankly, without airline traffic Vegas casinos can't open. the casinos need 50% occupancy to reopen the hotels.
Patently false. They do not need ANY % occupancy to open the hotels. They may need a certain % to be able to open profitably, but they will likely lose more money during the initial re-opening. And thus push to roll back some of the onerous safety restrictions.
Quote: SOOPOOPatently false. They do not need ANY % occupancy to open the hotels. They may need a certain % to be able to open profitably, but they will likely lose more money during the initial re-opening. And thus push to roll back some of the onerous safety restrictions.
The 50% figure comes from MGM. They won't open hotels with less than 50% occupancy.
Quote: AlanMendelsonThe 50% figure comes from MGM. They won't open hotels with less than 50% occupancy.
When they announce an opening date, and start taking and accepting reservations, they will open that date. If it turns out they are only at 40% occupancy they don't just close the doors that day. I think MGM is saying unless they are ALLOWED to be at 50% capacity they won't open. No way they will be able to be sure what the true % occupancy will be when they open.... until after they open.
It's long been shown that illegal prostitution supports human trafficking, not so in legalize brothels.Quote: AxelWolfPedo's and rapist probably shouldn't have place to dispense anything anywhere unless it's from behind bars. Oh, I see you said potential. Are there statistics on that?Quote: petroglyphI assume you are talking about the brothels reopening. Do you think that street walkers, escorts, call girls, johns and pimps all quarantined?
If we are concerned about controlling the virus, it makes sense [if you read the link] to corner it with people that are checked for all kinds of health issues daily, weekly and monthly.
As always, I prefer potential rapists and pedo's have a place to dispense their appetites legally and as safely for everyone as possible, then to be out stalking.
I don't think the narcotic trade went away either. I read in SF the authority's were even giving out small amounts to keep addicts locked down, or at least keep them in one area.
If it was the air purification you think ridiculous, I don't know enough about it, but I think it's feasible. Maybe not. But if they can figure out how to keep submarines underwater for weeks, then they can purify casino air. At least as well as the air surrounding grocery check outs.
I get what you're saying, I still think it's ridiculous. I don't have a good argument why.
When I spoke with locals in Kellogg Idaho and in Billings Montana about hard crimes associated with their long known local brothels, in both towns they said they hadn't had a serious crime in decades. They thought that testosterone played a big part in hostility. Men that could get their needs taken care of legally would prefer to be able to continue their lives outside prison. But stalkers are gonna stalk and prey.
We all probably saw video's in China of workers going down streets with backpack sprayers on spraying everything they could with disinfectant. Has anyone seen public works or anyone doing that in the states?Quote: beachbumbabsRe:trucker showers. They're finding the virus lives longest, up to several days, on hard wet surfaces. In other words, shower tiles, sinks, countertops, and toilets. So unless they put a sanitizing attendant who cleans the entire stall between each and every shower, I expect they'll stay closed. Guessing public restrooms on interstates are closed as well, but haven't traveled since this started.
Re: hookers. They are now reporting coronavirius is carried in the semen of infected men. Despite condom laws, I don't see that working out well for anybody. Can't exactly douche or gargle with Lysol and expect to survive it. Just a heads-up to those who partake.
For sure, rest stations and truck stops. Didn't know that about the tile/hard surfaces. I disinfect mine regularly and that's for just me and her. I got in the habit of having a sprayer in the kitchen years ago when I had a mobile food service and learned it from DEC inspectors. Other than that, I'm pretty much a germaphobe anyway.
I quit the "3 second rule" on dropped food way back.
Sorry to hear about fang.
Forbes June 4th 2019 by Chuck DeVore
Well known fact to residents of LA.
Don't know how to properly post links.
Major resorts need an economy of scale to open.
For that matter, I know of few dentists who will open an office to see only one patient on Wednesday.
Quote: TonyTwoEyesWhat about all the locals joints like Dotty's, The Longhorn, The Cannery, The Alamo, The Double Down, The Bighorn, The Silver Sevens.... I could go on and on. Those places don't need air traffic to reopen. Why the hell are they still shut down?
They're shut down because the Governor and the NGC wants them shut down.
Makes one wonder if size fits all approach is being slammed down by corrupt politicians bought off by the big guys?
The big guys can't open profitably with out nightclubs, pool parties, conventions and resort fee's etc... that makes sense. Are they ensuring that all the small guys can't open either just out of pure greed, not wanting to loose market share and the likes???
After touring Vegas first hand I am beginning to believe this is the case. I dearly hope to be proven wrong ASAP!
Quote: TonyTwoEyesMy point exactly.
Makes one wonder if size fits all approach is being slammed down by corrupt politicians bought off by the big guys?
The big guys can't open profitably with out nightclubs, pool parties, conventions and resort fee's etc... that makes sense. Are they ensuring that all the small guys can't open either just out of pure greed, not wanting to loose market share and the likes???
After touring Vegas first hand I am beginning to believe this is the case. I dearly hope to be proven wrong ASAP!
I don't think large strip or downtown casinos would be overly concerned if off strip casinos got a bit of a head start. They are unlikely to steal Strip visitors long-term. But in terms of fairness, most NV casinos should be permitted to open around the same time, imo.
I'm not sure exactly what you're looking forQuote: darkozCan you point to a link where you get that info about homeless and rampant disease spread
I was homeless for two years in NYC which has thousands of homeless and I never contracted a disease during that time. Maybe a common cold if that
but you might want to read this.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/06/18/homeless-homelessness-disease-outbreaks-hepatitis-public-health/1437242001/
Quote: AlanMendelsonMGM has announced their plan. The first two Vegas resorts to open will be Bellagio and NYNY because they expect to have the required 50% o occupancy there first.
Major resorts need an economy of scale to open.
For that matter, I know of few dentists who will open an office to see only one patient on Wednesday.
Wife is a dentist. They are allowed to be open now, but only for emergencies. Emergencies tend to take longer than elective procedures and tend to pay less, and of course are not predictable. So most practices are closed around here. If a practice had 10 offices they are maybe keeping two open with limited hours as well.
Patients are of course upset if their dentist is not open to take care of them. But the owner/dentist will clearly be paying more than they collect unless they get a reasonable schedule.
Quote: DeMango
Not political at all.
/sarcasm
I have been checking out this website to get daily information on casino openings.. www.playusa.com . It has been useful.
I can find a little humor in everything. Unfortunately, I think some people are going to find humor in your name matching the color of that armband.Quote: DeMango
Quote: ams288Not political at all.
/sarcasm
Political humor at best.
So over the top it's not punishable. Clearly a (poor taste) joke but Demango didn't write it. Just pointed it out.
Don't see any harm in it
Golden has announced they plan on keeping the Riverboat inspired casino/hotel closed indefinitely and will lay off most of the 400 employees. Golden already owns the Aquarius and Edgewater so having a third casino was pretty redundant. It's been a rough decade for Laughlin .
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/gamblers-drive-hours-and-wait-in-lines-as-casinos-reopen-amid-coronavirus-11589886610
That's because of the temporary cabin fever. Once everything opens back up and the novelty wears off, it's going to look bleak for a while.Quote: darkozSome good news for casinos perhaps
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/gamblers-drive-hours-and-wait-in-lines-as-casinos-reopen-amid-coronavirus-11589886610
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8336877/People-fail-socially-distance-line-outside-casinos-California-Washington.html
Edit: Or pick whichever flavor text makes you happy. -_-
This site has some better photos, if you want to see everybody standing at a distance. (Other than at Veijas or Lucky Star...nobody had to be there trying to enforce distance.)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8336877/People-fail-socially-distance-line-outside-casinos-California-Washington.html
Quote: VenthusThis site has some better photos, if you want to see everybody standing a foot apart...
Is it a big deal if no one is coughing or sneezing?
Quote: CalderIs it a big deal if no one is coughing or sneezing?
You can get it just breathing too close to someone. It won't be preventing further spread if people stand too close.
The 6 foot difference may not be enough for all t;ypes of coughing or sneezing, but it's good otherwise. Except maybe in an elevator.
Quote: rxwineYou can get it just breathing too close to someone...
"Conversation Transmission"? I suspect in time we'll find that's a bit overblown.
In any event, is the WHO wrong? They recommend a one meter social distance.
Quote: Calder"Conversation Transmission"? I suspect in time we'll find that's a bit overblown.
Stand next to a person smoking and ask them to just breath normally as they talk and exhale without turning their face away from you and see how close you want to be.
A meter sounds like a bare minimum.
Quote: rsactuarywow. not even sure how anyone could find an ounce of humor in that. did not enjoy.
It was easiest the worst "Babylon Bee" joke that I've ever read by a LARGE margin. Most of their stuff I find funny even though it's a conservative slant.
Quote: rxwineStand next to a person smoking and ask them to just breath normally as they talk and exhale without turning their face away from you and see how close you want to be.
A meter sounds like a bare minimum.
That's your example? Have a smoker blow in my face? I don't need a virus scare to figure out that's a bad idea.
I was responding Venthus' apparent horror of seeing people standing too close to each other. I'm just wondering why we're cratering the U.S. economy over fear of a bug that is not dangerous to a majority of Americans. It's disappointing to see my country lose its mind over a bug.
It was sad when they closed the Pioneer.Quote: billryanColorado Belle will not be re-opening whenever Laughlin does.
Golden has announced they plan on keeping the Riverboat inspired casino/hotel closed indefinitely and will lay off most of the 400 employees. Golden already owns the Aquarius and Edgewater so having a third casino was pretty redundant. It's been a rough decade for Laughlin .
I don't want to argue what the right thing is to do, or if we are overreacting or not. We have the, "Oh my God it's going to kill everybody crowd, and then we have the crowd that says, "open everything up, take off your masks and screw social distancing"Quote: CalderThat's your example? Have a smoker blow in my face? I don't need a virus scare to figure out that's a bad idea.
I was responding Venthus' apparent horror of seeing people standing too close to each other. I'm just wondering why we're cratering the U.S. economy over fear of a bug that is not dangerous to a majority of Americans. It's disappointing to see my country lose its mind over a bug.
I don't like either of those extremists.
Whatever the case, even if it doesn't kill you, I certainly wouldn't want to be one of the people that get super sick, especially if we don't know what the long-term effects are.
One of the biggest problems we have with this is the fact that some people don't get very sick, if at all, but yet, they're able to spread it around like it's nothing. If we open up everything and people become carefree I think it's going to be almost impossible to protect people at high risk even if they take a reasonable measures to avoid.
Quote: tringlomaneIt was easiest the worst "Babylon Bee" joke that I've ever read by a LARGE margin. Most of their stuff I find funny even though it's a conservative slant.
Come on man! Invading Poland was a great touch!
Quote: AxelWolf...If we open up everything and people become carefree I think it's going to be almost impossible to protect people at high risk even if they take a reasonable measures to avoid.
No one wants to get sick. Do you want this lock down in place until we know what the 'long-term effects' are? It seems like the goal posts have been moved yet again. Flatten the curve, prevent a second bump, wait for a vaccine, now wait to assess long-term effects.
Your last sentence strikes me as teetering on the "If it saves one life..." argument, and I don't think we can realistically live that way.
Someone will always be at risk, of something, somewhere.
Quote: WatchMeWinA couple of states have opened some up their casinos with safeguard measures in place... Oklahoma, Mississippi, etc. Lets hope that they show as a positive 'proof of concept' for the rest of America. If they have success and don't show any signs of virus complications / outbreak... then it will be a very good sign for others to follow. A strong thank you to these states/casinos for being the 'magic mice' , best of luck!
I have been checking out this website to get daily information on casino openings.. www.playusa.com . It has been useful.
I think they will be just fine. We have learned a few things so far. Most of the problem is concentrated in NYC/NJ and to a lesser extent Chicago. Most of the deaths are people above natural life expectancy. The "curve" has been flattened. All should be well unless alarmists find literally 1-2 people with it who "went to the casino" and demand reclosure.
I figure lots of people are tired of lockdown and will go out. The ones who bought and wore masks in the first days of this (70 days ago or so) will keep staying home for months. The second group being more risk-adverse probably are not casino patrons in any case.
What?
"The cotton swabs and N95 masks!"
Quote: AZDuffmanI think they will be just fine. We have learned a few things so far. Most of the problem is concentrated in NYC/NJ and to a lesser extent Chicago. Most of the deaths are people above natural life expectancy. The "curve" has been flattened. All should be well unless alarmists find literally 1-2 people with it who "went to the casino" and demand reclosure.
I figure lots of people are tired of lockdown and will go out. The ones who bought and wore masks in the first days of this (70 days ago or so) will keep staying home for months. The second group being more risk-adverse probably are not casino patrons in any case.
The problems for casinos are what you mentioned for the NY metro area. Casinos are concentrated with people and there are many elderly.
That's why casinos will be the last to open.
Quote: AlanMendelsonThe problems for casinos are what you mentioned for the NY metro area. Casinos are concentrated with people and there are many elderly.
That's why casinos will be the last to open.
But if the casino is not in a "hot" area it should not be an issue. Although Strip casinos will take time to open if not just because they will need the ramp-up of tourists to show up. A locals casino outside LV should not have that issue.
I am ready to head back even if nothing to bet on at the sports book.
It doesn't extend just to governors. Comrade De Blasio, Lord Mayor of NYC, will drag you out of the water if you go for a swim at one of "his" beaches, but tells Nassau County to accept NYC residents that get out there to use one of theirs.
Power corrupts.
The same folks who accused Trump of subverting the law with federal Executive Orders are completely fine with Governors and Mayors using the same tactic to enhance their own ability to coerce people into "proper behavior."
Rebellion: peaceful, non-violent, non-cooperation will be the only recourse. If you don't agree with that idea today, just wait. Sooner or later there will be some kind of "guidance" or "best practice" that will go too far for you.
Quote: Gabes22My question is how will casinos operate? I know the 3 person BJ tables etc. But how can you prevent cross contamination with the back and forth exchange of chips?
Wash hands when you get up from table. Don’t touch your face before then.
Quote: racquetThe problem is that these new powers are very enticing to the various newly manufactured monarchs. They love their authority, want to keep control, and don't want to go back to the old way of life.
It doesn't extend just to governors. Comrade De Blasio, Lord Mayor of NYC, will drag you out of the water if you go for a swim at one of "his" beaches, but tells Nassau County to accept NYC residents that get out there to use one of theirs.
Power corrupts.
The same folks who accused Trump of subverting the law with federal Executive Orders are completely fine with Governors and Mayors using the same tactic to enhance their own ability to coerce people into "proper behavior."
Rebellion: peaceful, non-violent, non-cooperation will be the only recourse. If you don't agree with that idea today, just wait. Sooner or later there will be some kind of "guidance" or "best practice" that will go too far for you.
It's funny how the only people complaining about bill deblasio are people who don't live in NYC.
Quote: unJonWash hands when you get up from table. Don’t touch your face before then.
Won’t be anywhere near good enough.
People handling chips and those chips getting passed around the table. Then those people use their hands to pick up their glass or bottle or cigarette that goes in their mouth.
You could always let every winning bet ride until you've doubled up enough to color up to a denomination chip that nobody at the table is using! ;)Quote: Gabes22My question is how will casinos operate? I know the 3 person BJ tables etc. But how can you prevent cross contamination with the back and forth exchange of chips?
