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Hullabaloo
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Mission146Rigondeaux
August 13th, 2019 at 12:16:44 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

Wizard has stated that something like the food thread is not going to be heavily policed in this regard.



ohhhhh I can see it now.....

"Make sure you use real butter or it won't taste right"

"That's stupid. Everyone knows you should use olive oil".

"You're both idiots. Margarine is the healthiest thing to use"

"Only a jackass would use margarine"

"You must be a fat-ass eating all that butter".

"At least I don't have BDS (Butter Derangement Syndrome)

"Yea, but you think "Fine dinning" is McDonalds"

"It's better than that slop you write about"

sammydv
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petroglyph
August 13th, 2019 at 12:19:08 PM permalink
Quote: kubikulann

Typical. The problem is not free speech ; it is monopolizing the speech .


Perhaps it could more correctly be thought of as monetizing free speech.
sammydv
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August 13th, 2019 at 12:37:14 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

Nobody is telling you what you can and can't read, the website is telling you what you can't post.



I think you're right. Casinos and chips obviously have nothing to do with gambling.



First, somehow the post I was referencing to was soopoo and it didn't quote right and I wasn't responding to you so far I believe.

But about the crack about casinos and chips. Collecting chips isn't related to gambling except in the most thinly dangling way. The chip represents a wager. The chip itself is a token. The chip is a convenience, it's advertising. It's not instrumental to gambling.

Such as a thread about chicken dinners and recipes and what fork I'm eating with. The fork doesn't relate to a recipe nor chicken final product. It is a tool that I used.
I can walk in to a casino tonight and buy a chip and walk out. How is that related to gambling?
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August 13th, 2019 at 12:38:48 PM permalink
No doubt this rule will result in a changeover of the current majority posters.

As a result, new viewers of the site will likely find what that they were looking for when they clicked the search link...I can't imagine what goes through the mind of a new visitor that clicks the link at the bottom of the WoO site and ends up seeing the cesspool that is Recent Threads. Those new visitors certainly won't stay/join as new members if they are interested in gambling.

I would broaden the Forum Topics to include threads like SooPoo's Portfolio thread...basically topics involving money and risk which certainly investing & gambling have in common. Look at how many Wall St. guys play poker! I was going to start a thread on NHL Futures, but decided why bother as the thread would get buried instantly by the onslaught of new political threads and get no responses...and I know, no one likes the NHL anyway except for PokerGrinder (Go Jets Go...and what happened to Helle last season?) plus a few other members that slip my mind right now.

Some old gambling-centric posters will return and/or post more of what is happening in the gaming world both from an innovation and current events standpoint. I certainly don't post here much anymore because the majority of the posters here don't care about gambling topics (and I know plenty of others in the innovation world that feel the same).

Wiz, simultaneously with banning political topics here, close down DT and start up WizardofPolitics.com site. Charge a $2/month subscription price. You'd make money and the portion of Wov that likes the political discussion along with the DT only members may jump over there because they like the current political community/banter and are familiar with the website set up. Give these members what they want & charge them for it because advertisers likely won't be that interested in paying to be there. You could force members to internally confidentially disclose (e.g. no other member sees the disclosure) their political leaning upon sign up and if enough of both sides of the political spectrum vote a member off the island as abusive, that member gets banned. You could even pay a moderator with a portion of the subscription dollhairs. $0.07/day is a small price to pay if the alternative is to quit their daily posting addiction...I'd expect a high conversion rate to the modest subscription price model.

It will be a long transition Wiz, but it is time to take back control of what this Forum was intended to be...and maybe you create an even better place for the political posters to have their own site and make some money for providing the experience.
Mission146
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August 13th, 2019 at 12:48:50 PM permalink
Quote: sammydv


But about the crack about casinos and chips. Collecting chips isn't related to gambling except in the most thinly dangling way. The chip represents a wager. The chip itself is a token. The chip is a convenience, it's advertising. It's not instrumental to gambling.



Okay, I'll be sure to let the grocery store know I wish to trade my cash for chips to make my purchases. Do you think Kroger has black chips? My big shopping trips usually come out to over a hundred, so that should be convenient.

You collect chips from casinos. Other than resort fees, I would think casinos are known more for gambling than anything else. I would think that makes collecting chips very much a gambling-related activity particularly appropriate for a gambling-related forum. In fact, I believe it was Doc in that thread who says he prefers to make a bet in the casino if possible when collecting a chip, but will just go and purchase them and leave if that's not an option at the time.

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Such as a thread about chicken dinners and recipes and what fork I'm eating with. The fork doesn't relate to a recipe nor chicken final product. It is a tool that I used.
I can walk in to a casino tonight and buy a chip and walk out. How is that related to gambling?



Yeah, how are casinos related to gambling? Good question. I can't imagine what the two have to do with one another. I could go buy a gift card to a restaurant and walk out. What do restaurants have to do with dining out?
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ChumpChange
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August 13th, 2019 at 12:51:05 PM permalink
I'm gonna figure 95% of poker players are Trumpers, because that's what they were (before they even knew about Trump as a politician) on a Usenet poker group 15 years ago before Bush banned internet poker. Poker players were so butthurt when Bush came after them, and it was too late.
Gandler
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August 13th, 2019 at 1:01:26 PM permalink
Quote: ChumpChange

I'm gonna figure 95% of poker players are Trumpers, because that's what they were (before they even knew about Trump as a politician) on a Usenet poker group 15 years ago before Bush banned internet poker. Poker players were so butthurt when Bush came after them, and it was too late.



Bush did not ban online Poker, all the Bill that he signed (not drafted) did was reaffirm that it was illegal to use the internet to place bets in states where gambling was illegal. Essentially making online gambling regulated at the state level. This is why states like NV, NJ, DE have online casinos that require you to be in state boundaries to play, just like you would have to be within state boundries to open a casino or place a bet at the casino.

I personally like it, I only trust casinos run by state regulated entities, no shady organization encouraging bitcoin deposits....
FleaStiff
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August 13th, 2019 at 1:04:05 PM permalink
Quote: Rigondeaux

Probably for the best. Of course, it will mean the forum will be on life support.

Probably. Some of the lifestyle threads were mildly diverting and some were quite interesting but the political threads were too many, too strident and the posters involved knew it. So we reap what they knowingly sowed.
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August 13th, 2019 at 1:04:59 PM permalink
May the WoV rest in peace. Can probably follow the whole site with just a weekly check in soon.
rxwine
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August 13th, 2019 at 1:11:00 PM permalink
Where’s the stats to prove that the site suffers more from the current content than from pure gambler’s realm?
Perhaps the online casinos this site supports get more financial support from the variety of novices that show up than your common gambler.
Quasimodo? Does that name ring a bell?

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