Bob N calls out Nevada Gaming Commission for not enforcing laws
August 29th, 2017 at 9:23:51 PM
permalink
I've mentioned this a few times, finally someone calling them out on it. The Nevada Gaming Commission is currently complicit in allowing casinos to steal from patrons, it makes the whole industry look bad. At least two strip properties from a large corporation that went through bankruptcy a couple years ago are currently taking advantage of the gaming commissions refusal to enforce regulations.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/blackjack21/home/deploy/bj21/releases/20170829090436/public/ckeditor_assets/attachments/13/chief_carl_bennison_ltr_8_25_17.pdf
http://s3.amazonaws.com/blackjack21/home/deploy/bj21/releases/20170829090436/public/ckeditor_assets/attachments/13/chief_carl_bennison_ltr_8_25_17.pdf
August 29th, 2017 at 9:49:28 PM
permalink
Definitely agree with him, but I don't think invoking Nazism was necessary to make his point.
Its - Possessive; It's - "It is" / "It has"; There - Location; Their - Possessive; They're - "They are"
August 29th, 2017 at 10:34:19 PM
permalink
Quote: ahiromuDefinitely agree with him, but I don't think invoking Nazism was necessary to make his point.
The nazi quote was a reference to a previous case precedent that it was not illegal to be without identification and no one in the usa is required to show identity papers - which was a big mandate of nazi germany
So i think it was appropriate
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
August 29th, 2017 at 10:48:54 PM
permalink
Next time BN is on GWAE, I'd like to know if he was writing a gambling reform ballot initiative, what he would ask for, what needs updated, and what needs changed, etc.
I am a robot.
August 29th, 2017 at 11:20:48 PM
permalink
Very well written letter, but that's all it is: a letter.
No idea how they will respond.
Perhaps an AP client of his to whom this has happened could retain him to take the matter a step further and file a lawsuit naming both the casino where it happened and the gaming commission requesting that the court issue a declaratory judgment on the issue.
That should be definitive.
No idea how they will respond.
Perhaps an AP client of his to whom this has happened could retain him to take the matter a step further and file a lawsuit naming both the casino where it happened and the gaming commission requesting that the court issue a declaratory judgment on the issue.
That should be definitive.
"What, me worry?"
August 30th, 2017 at 6:50:32 AM
permalink
I look forward to seeing how this plays out. A company that I do some work for requires ID be presented when the patron gets to $!0k accumulated cash outs. We hold the payout until the ID is presented or until Nevada Gaming tells us to pay. If ID is not presented the patron is no longer allowed to play at the property.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
August 30th, 2017 at 7:08:07 AM
permalink
Quote: DRichI look forward to seeing how this plays out. A company that I do some work for requires ID be presented when the patron gets to $!0k accumulated cash outs. We hold the payout until the ID is presented or until Nevada Gaming tells us to pay. If ID is not presented the patron is no longer allowed to play at the property.
You mention what I assume is meant to be $10,000 (my shift key sticks on occasion, too). Doesn't that bring RICO / Money Laundering laws into play, which is why ID could be required?
August 30th, 2017 at 7:27:27 AM
permalink
Quote: DRichI look forward to seeing how this plays out. A company that I do some work for requires ID be presented when the patron gets to $!0k accumulated cash outs. We hold the payout until the ID is presented or until Nevada Gaming tells us to pay. If ID is not presented the patron is no longer allowed to play at the property.
When you say accumulated cashouts ,over what time period do you mean.Also how do they know that you have reached the 10k threshold if you cash out small amounts,unless they are asking for a card or id on every cash out.
The mountain is tall but grass grows on top of the mountain.
August 30th, 2017 at 7:45:51 AM
permalink
No, I thought $10k (buy in or cash outs) within 24 hours triggered a CTR in which they will ASK you for your ID. You still don't 'have' to provide it, but then you'll more than likely get a SAR for your troubles... as well as them telling you not to play there anymore; though again to the best of my knowledge they still must pay you. Well, they're "supposed" to still pay you... I think this is part of what BN is referring to.Quote: ThatDonGuyYou mention what I assume is meant to be $10,000 (my shift key sticks on occasion, too). Doesn't that bring RICO / Money Laundering laws into play, which is why ID could be required?
Playing it correctly means you've already won.
August 30th, 2017 at 7:51:28 AM
permalink
Quote: HunterhillWhen you say accumulated cashouts ,over what time period do you mean.Also how do they know that you have reached the 10k threshold if you cash out small amounts,unless they are asking for a card or id on every cash out.
24 Hours. If they don't ask for ID during the smaller transactions they are supposed to track you by description and require ID when it exceeds $10k. It is nearly an impossible task at a big casino with a patron doing very small cash outs. The ticket redemption kiosks have also added another level of complexity to it.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
August 30th, 2017 at 7:52:25 AM
permalink
Quote: MrVVery well written letter, but that's all it is: a letter.
No idea how they will respond.
Perhaps an AP client of his to whom this has happened could retain him to take the matter a step further and file a lawsuit naming both the casino where it happened and the gaming commission requesting that the court issue a declaratory judgment on the issue.
That should be definitive.
I think there's at least one case working its way through. I think this letter is probably because this is happening to a number of people for smaller amounts of 600-3k etc that he's getting constantly contacted for advice on after gaming refuses to enforce the regulations, and for those amounts theres a good chance the cost of litigation exceeds the reward.
August 30th, 2017 at 8:21:35 AM
permalink
Nevada Gaming commission not enforcing laws? Never heard of such a thing.
#mobRunsThisCity
#mobRunsThisCity
Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.
August 30th, 2017 at 8:54:55 AM
permalink
Fixed that for you... Casinos run the city and are all owned by wall-street corporations. Similar to how they lobby and purchase our legislation in government, they do the same for themselves in Vegas. Shocking? Not really.Quote: ZenKinGNevada Gaming commission not enforcing laws? Never heard of such a thing.
#mobRunsThisCity #casinosRunThisCity
Playing it correctly means you've already won.
August 30th, 2017 at 9:02:04 AM
permalink
Quote: RomesFixed that for you... Casinos run the city and are all owned by wall-street corporations. Similar to how they lobby and purchase our legislation in government, they do the same for themselves in Vegas. Shocking? Not really.Quote: ZenKinGNevada Gaming commission not enforcing laws? Never heard of such a thing.
#mobRunsThisCity #casinosRunThisCity
Yea even worse. Lobbying and purchasing legislation in government? Hmm, no wonder the gaming commission doesnt check the cards. They are bought by the casinos.
Any private business open to the PUBLIC (ie. droned out casinos) cannot have a criminal trespass enforced against an individual without GOOD CAUSE (Disruptive or Disorderly conduct). You will never go to prison for being thrown out of a casino for legal advantage play and then returning because it's simply unconstitutional 'as applied' to the individual. 'As applied' constitutional issues must FIRST be raised in DISTRICT COURT (trial court) to have it thrown out. You CANNOT raise it on APPEAL This is the best kept secret in the world of casinos not just in Vegas but everywhere in the country. Thank me later.
August 30th, 2017 at 9:05:30 AM
permalink
I think Bob is strictly talking about being asked for ID when cashing out chips and casinos using excuses when you refuse and they in turn confiscate the chips. According to him, the law states that the casino must redeem the chip from the customer. But Gaming is overstepping the law and siding with casinos. Nothing in there discussed CTRs.
When Nolan Dalla gets his $5000 from Bellagio, you'll know things have changed.
When Nolan Dalla gets his $5000 from Bellagio, you'll know things have changed.
DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
August 30th, 2017 at 9:42:13 AM
permalink
Quote: ZenKinG
Yea even worse. Lobbying and purchasing legislation in government? Hmm, no wonder the gaming commission doesnt check the cards. They are bought by the casinos.
Did you lose 0.25% of your bankroll your last session, or something?
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
August 30th, 2017 at 9:43:26 AM
permalink
Perhaps the Gaming Commission will "punt" on the issue and ask the office of the Nevada Attorney General to issue a formal opinion on the matter.
"What, me worry?"
August 30th, 2017 at 10:13:04 AM
permalink
AP's don't really take much but casinos don't care about that. They have their memos and their poor training and not much else to do anyway, so it becomes some sort of goal to go after someone.
Its often a matter similar to the Seattle office manager whose office films the sidewalk 24 hours a day 7 days a week, but one a passerby filmed her office for a few minutes she was screaming at a security guard to call the police.
Proving identity or proving actual ownership of chips is usually just a pretext for 'we don't like you'.
Its often a matter similar to the Seattle office manager whose office films the sidewalk 24 hours a day 7 days a week, but one a passerby filmed her office for a few minutes she was screaming at a security guard to call the police.
Proving identity or proving actual ownership of chips is usually just a pretext for 'we don't like you'.
August 30th, 2017 at 11:16:15 AM
permalink
Quote: MrVPerhaps the Gaming Commission will "punt" on the issue and ask the office of the Nevada Attorney General to issue a formal opinion on the matter.
Yes, the Attorney General's office is represented at every Gaming Board and Gaming Commission meeting. On many issues they will ask for a recommendation and input from the A.G.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
August 30th, 2017 at 11:40:42 PM
permalink
Quote: onenickelmiracleNext time BN is on GWAE, I'd like to know if he was writing a gambling reform ballot initiative, what he would ask for, what needs updated, and what needs changed, etc.
Thanx for the suggestion. It is now on the list.
August 31st, 2017 at 2:35:02 AM
permalink
The biggest scam is that the palazzo and Venetian force you to hand them your id for any players club transaction and they SCAN IT EVERYTIME. I have argued each time to no avail
This is the same company that had the system hacked a few years ago, when you talk to a manager it gets no where
I was even told once or twice it's a law
This is the same company that had the system hacked a few years ago, when you talk to a manager it gets no where
I was even told once or twice it's a law
No longer hiring, don’t ask because I won’t hire you either
August 31st, 2017 at 8:07:35 AM
permalink
Quote: MrVVery well written letter, but that's all it is: a letter.
Yes, but in practice a letter has force. The Nevada Gaming Commission has now received written notification of a claim that they are not enforcing the law (or not enforcing it correctly.) During any future hearing or court procedure the Commission can no longer claim that they were unaware of any problems or enforcement issues of this type. Thus the letter creates an increased level of future legal jeopardy for the Commission. This is often enough to induce an organization to change its ways.
So many better men, a few of them friends, are dead. And a thousand thousand slimy things live on, and so do I.
August 31st, 2017 at 8:40:17 AM
permalink
The letter will reinforce the Commission member's prior thoughts that he is an ambulance chasing trouble maker and little else.
