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This is a fun show where table game inventors compete and table game managers shop around for new games. This year a certain Wizard will be giving a session.
The question for the poll is will you attend Cutting Edge this year?
Angela & 3 Card Fury will be in booth 202 :)
Quote: mrsuit31See ya there Mike.
Angela & 3 Card Fury will be in booth 202 :)
The two friendliest faces at the show in one booth!
And I miss Dan too.
After being away for a few years, we will be debuting our baccarat variation, Baccarat Blitz at booth #312.
1) Money$uit Industries LLC - Advanatge Play 3 Card Fury
2) 50 Cats - Texas Flip - Players essentially play 2 hands of Texas Hold'em where they can swap the top card of each both hole card hands with one another and continue.
3) Flushed - Flushed Game This is very similar to many of the "horse Race" games we have discussed on here in the past. In this game, players seem to bet on the number of cards out of the shoe that will be needed in order to complete one of the flushes. Think horse racing game with the four suits being its own horse. (Give the website a moment to load as it seems to take about 10-20 seconds or so to do so)
4) Casino Gaming Development (Angel) will be showing BJ Burnout, Poker Burnout and Monarchy Baccarat I believe. All can be found at Casino Gaming Development Website
5) Amazzeng Gaming - Grand Slam Casino Baseball
6) United States Paper Games - Their YouTube Channel explaining the game of California Roll. This seems to be an entirely new game of poker all together.
7) Masque Publishing will be showing Down Under Hold'em as discussed on another thread on WOV
8) Hex Hazard Extreme - Hex Hazard Extreme. New dice game on custom craps layout.
9) Yo! - YO!. Downsized novel version of craps on a BJ sized table.
10) Double Luck Gaming Baccarat Blitz
I am unsure of what other games may be on display from the other developers listed on the floor plan and many of the others seem to be tech companies with new table game products that will not be actual table games.
This at least gives a teaser of what will be on display at the show...
Quote: WizardThe two friendliest faces at the show in one booth!
:)
Quote: mrsuit31
1) Money$uit Industries LLC - Advanatge Play 3 Card Fury
I like this game. Without knowing any house edge, the feel of getting four cards to make the best three, make it play better than 3-card poker.
Quote: mrsuit31
5) Amazzeng Gaming - Grand Slam Casino Baseball
While the narrator's voice sounds familiar, and while I love baseball, poker, and table games, this game, on the surface, looks too complex.
Quote: mrsuit31
9) Yo! - YO!. Downsized novel version of craps on a BJ sized table.
I almost stopped watching the promo at "...the dice game made for millennials..." but I plowed through...
Not a bad game -- I like the pace of play. Could be good for folks who are intimidated by the craps table. People could get hooked on this game and move to craps. Would I play? Maybe.
Quote: IndyJeffreyI watched the previews for:
Quote: mrsuit31
1) Money$uit Industries LLC - Advanatge Play 3 Card Fury
I like this game. Without knowing any house edge, the feel of getting four cards to make the best three, make it play better than 3-card poker.
I appreciate that. The pay tables on the game demo and currently live in Ca have the following edges:
Base game (Ante/Play/Monster):
HA = 2.25%
EOR = .78%
Hit Rate = 67.67% (25% push, 42% win, 33% loss)
4 Card Royal Family Bonus:
HA = 3.5%
Hit rate = 27.8%
- Blackjack Burnout -- This game first appeared at the show in 2016 and has been played at the Saratoga in Blackhawk for a few years. Briefly, the player may pay a 20% with at the same time as his initial wager to "burn out" a bad card and replace it with a random card in the deck. Click the link to WoO for full details of the rules and analysis.
- Baccarat Blitz -- This is a combination of War and baccarat. Basically War, but with baccarat scoring. In the event of a tie, two more cards are dealt to resolve it.
- 3 Card Fury -- This is Three Card Poker with a Crazy 4 Poker structure (two mandated bets and a raise or fold decision). The twist is the player gets four cards (discarding one) to the dealer's three. Angela dealing this one may have helped get some votes.
I will write more about the other games at the show later. Until then, this Cutting Edge floor plan lists all of them.
Here I am with Angel Espino with Blackjack Burnout and Brent Weiss with 3 Card Fury.
Here is out our new member Doubleluck1 and his business partner with Baccarat Blitz, second place winners.
Quote: WizardLet me announce the winners of the 2019 Cutting Edge new table games awards:
- 3 Card Fury -- This is Three Card Poker with a Crazy 4 Poker structure (two mandated bets and a raise or fold decision). The twist is the player gets four cards (discarding one) to the dealer's three. Angela dealing this one may have helped get some votes.
Here I am with Angel Espino with Blackjack Burnout and Brent Weiss with 3 Card Fury.
Thank you Mike. And let’s be real, how could having Angela dealing the game not have a positive effect on the players :)
Quote: beachbumbabsCongrats to all, but especially my buddy Brent!
Thank you Babs! :)
Still running around all day here with site visits and meetings until my flight back home later on. Once I get situated I’ll give a more in depth update from the show.
I must say though, I am very please to be sharing the podium with other WOV members, but they also happen to be three really great guys.
Congrats again to all.
This one is kind of interesting. I suppose there's probably too many "moving parts" and weird payouts (1.2:1 ?) for a casino but I can see people shouting in excitement while playing.
P.S. Where do you get one of those WoO shirts? And while we're at it, how about a coffee mug?
Quote: Gialmere
This one is kind of interesting. I suppose there's probably too many "moving parts" and weird payouts (1.2:1 ?) for a casino but I can see people shouting in excitement while playing.
P.S. Where do you get one of those WoO shirts? And while we're at it, how about a coffee mug?
I liked that "Flushed" game though would spell it FLUSH-ed. Or RUSH TO A FLUSH.
Good color choices for the GAME but bad for the VIDEO about the game.
chip color was lost in the layout symbols.
Good to have that clear plastic marker for the game, but it should be colored for the video.
Young Lady interviewing the inventors was a better salesman than the inventors: I don't mean just anatomically but more that she addressed the salient casino advantages before they did.
Quote: FleaStiffQuote: Gialmere
This one is kind of interesting. I suppose there's probably too many "moving parts" and weird payouts (1.2:1 ?) for a casino but I can see people shouting in excitement while playing.
P.S. Where do you get one of those WoO shirts? And while we're at it, how about a coffee mug?
I liked that "Flushed" game though would spell it FLUSH-ed. Or RUSH TO A FLUSH.
Good color choices for the GAME but bad for the VIDEO about the game.
chip color was lost in the layout symbols.
Good to have that clear plastic marker for the game, but it should be colored for the video.
Young Lady interviewing the inventors was a better salesman than the inventors: I don't mean just anatomically but more that she addressed the salient casino advantages before they did.
Not a horrible game, but I've seen better card based Roulette games. Might get a couple installs.
I think the interviewer might be the girl from the Vegas Aces casino dealer website? Not sure since I've never met her, but she looks familiar and is obviously way to knowledgable to be there randomly.
ZCore13
Quote: Gialmere
This one is kind of interesting. I suppose there's probably too many "moving parts" and weird payouts (1.2:1 ?) for a casino but I can see people shouting in excitement while playing.
P.S. Where do you get one of those WoO shirts? And while we're at it, how about a coffee mug?
I wonder if this will stimulate this debate again... Does anyone remember all of the fights over these two similar games? Racing Card Derby vs Win, Place Show forum debate
I rather liked Flushed. Very nice guys behind the game too.
If games like Casino War can make it, why not this one? People who didn't see it might say it would play too slowly, but it really does play fast. How fast can you turn over about a dozen cards one at a time? I'd say about 12 seconds. Much better than similar horse racing gaming that used dice. It could easily work as an electronic game too, which could allow in-progress betting.
I said to people at the show I would bet even money it would at least show (coming the first three places), but nobody took me up on it, fortunately. Had I not lost my ballot, I might have voted for it.
Quote: Wizard
I rather liked Flushed. Very nice guys behind the game too.
If games like Casino War can make it, why not this one? People who didn't see it might say it would play too slowly, but it really does play fast. How fast can you turn over about a dozen cards one at a time? I'd say about 12 seconds. Much better than similar horse racing gaming that used dice. It could easily work as an electronic game too, which could allow in-progress betting.
I said to people at the show I would bet even money it would at least show (coming the first three places), but nobody took me up on it, fortunately. Had I not lost my ballot, I might have voted for it.
Nice Game.
Gee, I expected better bankroll management skills than that!Quote: WizardHad I not lost my ballot, I might have voted for it.
Quote: Gialmere
This one is kind of interesting. I suppose there's probably too many "moving parts" and weird payouts (1.2:1 ?)
How I wish that 6:5 was a weird payout
Quote: FleaStiffGee, I expected better bankroll management skills than that!
touche'
Maybe i think that way from having played Let It Ride.
Quote: Zcore13I think the interviewer might be the girl from the Vegas Aces casino dealer website? Not sure since I've never met her, but she looks familiar and is obviously way to knowledgable to be there randomly. ZCore13
Yeah, that's Heather Ferris from Vegas Aces. She was a casino dealer for several years. She was also the Wizard's assistant for a while and still produces the WOO livestreams.
Vegas Aces is mainly a dealer's resource site but they also do other things. Here is a promo video they did for this CE game...
And here is Heather's CE video of GSCB...
It's a matching game with a LiR being mechanic.
Direct: https://youtu.be/WGp-71Gbz68
Quote: WizardThe Wizard's teammates are finally rolling out the videos from the 2019 Cutting Edge show. Our first one is Advantage Play 3 Card Fury as demonstrated by Angela.
Direct: https://youtu.be/WGp-71Gbz68
Thanks for uploading the video Mike.
You two are quite funny together as always!
Direct: https://youtu.be/IR-sA3UbXso
Players have to bet one at a time.
Once a letter is claimed, no other player can bet on it. (Why?)
There's no point number so you just throw until a seven is rolled when all bets lose.
I do think the layout is pretty to look at, and it is easier to learn than craps, but it's just too boardgamey intellectual to replace (as its website suggests) a rowdy casino craps table.
Quote: GialmereAs a hobbyist gamer, I can appreciate what they're trying to do here. As a casino gamer, however, I can only roll my eyes at how fiddly the game is. It's basically craps without the pass line along with the place and field bets mixed together on the wings. Consider...
I don't like to say anything bad about the game, as the guys behind hit were very nice, but I tend to agree with your comments. There may be a decent game idea there, based on the Settlers of Catan concept of winning cards, but this way has too many issues. I think the reason players must pick their spots one at a time is to avoid the problem of the dealer keeping track of who made what bet. Maybe roulette colored chips and a smaller table.
ZCore13
On the other hand, my latest video on No Point Craps is not one of my better ones. I feel it doesn't convey the gist of the game well. The gist is there are two primary bets, low and high. If you bet low, you're betting the second roll will be lower than the first.
Direct: https://youtu.be/CYQSc5frmk0.
The guys behind this game were very nice, but it took them a long time to explain the rules. It didn't help that there were a host of side bets and they tried to explain every one of them. I just Emailed Shawn, the owner, for clarification of the rules, which I can put in the video description.
That said, let me know what you think of the game and the video.
Video was ok. It was not the best pitch (maybe due to nerves or the presence of the Wiz?).
The explanation was confusing right from the beginning. The game is called "No Point Craps" but the first thing explained is the "point" throw. Otherwise it was fine and could be fun to play after learning more.
No Point Craps: Yowza. That is a really big table for such a really small game. Two rolls, the end. And what's with the name? The first roll is (rather oddly) called "The Point Roll". Or perhaps it's apt in that there's no point in playing this game. Okay, I kid. I actually think this is a clever idea but, if any streamlined craps game could use a streamlined layout, this would be it. Maybe Vinnie can come over from the Diceball table and give them some pointers.
I hope Vinny gets even more installments as it’s good to see good people enjoy success!
I must admit that this was another difficult one to explain quickly. My sidekick, Heather, also made a video on the game, which you can find at amazzenggaming.com. The basic idea is you want your two cards to match the four community cards.
Thoughts?
Quote: GialmereNo video access.
Sorry, it was in a "draft state." Please try again.
A video about a game like this needs to clearly state what the player is trying to accomplish, what the payouts are for different levels of matching the board, and what the player decisions are. Simply showing the payout tables on the felt might have helped to explain some of this. But also, I have no idea why players might wish to "pull back" their third base bet or their second base bet -why are they given that option? Because they have bad cards, less than a 10? or what?
Again, this is a problem with how the exhibitor is explaining his game, not with your skills at making a video. I get the feeling that a fairly simple "card rank matching game" has been adorned with baseball-themed terminology and imagery as a marketing ploy, but the net result is that this is not a clear description of the game. I feel skeptical about the prospects of this game.
Quote: gordonm888Again, this is a problem with how the exhibitor is explaining his game, not with your skills at making a video.
Thanks for not assigning me any blame, but I'll accept some. If it's any excuse, I don't understand these games myself most of the time when I do the interview and count on the game representative to explain it in a minute or two. Many games are hard to sum up that quickly because they simply are complicated games. This game in particular.
However, this year, if there is a show, I'll try harder to understand the rules myself to ask better questions and maybe narrate the example hands myself.
Direct: https://youtu.be/VRaTEqAOeNs
Direct: https://youtu.be/L6i5pTJ8ZdU
I would loosely describe this game as a cross between baccarat and Casino War. It went onto win second place at the show.
Comments on the game or video?
Thanks for uploading the video for us!
Quote: Doubleluck1Mike,
Thanks for uploading the video for us!
You're welcome. You found out quickly. Sorry it took so long.
Quote: WizardIt's time for our next game from Cutting Edge -- Baccarat Blitz.
Direct: https://youtu.be/L6i5pTJ8ZdU
I would loosely describe this game as a cross between baccarat and Casino War. It went onto win second place at the show.
Comments on the game or video?
Are the Side-bets or the Tia bet countable?