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October 29th, 2019 at 3:36:29 PM permalink
Now that the dust has settled from G2E 2019, it's time to talk about the 2019 Cutting Edge Table Games Conference, to be held at the Paris Nov. 18-20. Here is a code to receive a 15% discount on the admission price.

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This is a fun show where table game inventors compete and table game managers shop around for new games. This year a certain Wizard will be giving a session.

The question for the poll is will you attend Cutting Edge this year?
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October 29th, 2019 at 4:17:21 PM permalink
See ya there Mike.

Angela & 3 Card Fury will be in booth 202 :)
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October 29th, 2019 at 7:21:02 PM permalink
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See ya there Mike.

Angela & 3 Card Fury will be in booth 202 :)



The two friendliest faces at the show in one booth!
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October 29th, 2019 at 8:09:34 PM permalink
Sigh... No.


And I miss Dan too.
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October 30th, 2019 at 7:32:03 PM permalink
Mike,

After being away for a few years, we will be debuting our baccarat variation, Baccarat Blitz at booth #312.
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November 1st, 2019 at 11:53:23 AM permalink
OK, so from the info available on the conference site, this is what I'v been able to decipher in terms of what games may be on the floor in the competition....

1) Money$uit Industries LLC - Advanatge Play 3 Card Fury

2) 50 Cats - Texas Flip - Players essentially play 2 hands of Texas Hold'em where they can swap the top card of each both hole card hands with one another and continue.

3) Flushed - Flushed Game This is very similar to many of the "horse Race" games we have discussed on here in the past. In this game, players seem to bet on the number of cards out of the shoe that will be needed in order to complete one of the flushes. Think horse racing game with the four suits being its own horse. (Give the website a moment to load as it seems to take about 10-20 seconds or so to do so)

4) Casino Gaming Development (Angel) will be showing BJ Burnout, Poker Burnout and Monarchy Baccarat I believe. All can be found at Casino Gaming Development Website

5) Amazzeng Gaming - Grand Slam Casino Baseball

6) United States Paper Games - Their YouTube Channel explaining the game of California Roll. This seems to be an entirely new game of poker all together.

7) Masque Publishing will be showing Down Under Hold'em as discussed on another thread on WOV

8) Hex Hazard Extreme - Hex Hazard Extreme. New dice game on custom craps layout.

9) Yo! - YO!. Downsized novel version of craps on a BJ sized table.

10) Double Luck Gaming Baccarat Blitz

I am unsure of what other games may be on display from the other developers listed on the floor plan and many of the others seem to be tech companies with new table game products that will not be actual table games.

This at least gives a teaser of what will be on display at the show...
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November 1st, 2019 at 12:25:27 PM permalink
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The two friendliest faces at the show in one booth!



:)
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November 1st, 2019 at 2:22:13 PM permalink
I watched the previews for:

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1) Money$uit Industries LLC - Advanatge Play 3 Card Fury


I like this game. Without knowing any house edge, the feel of getting four cards to make the best three, make it play better than 3-card poker.

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5) Amazzeng Gaming - Grand Slam Casino Baseball


While the narrator's voice sounds familiar, and while I love baseball, poker, and table games, this game, on the surface, looks too complex.
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9) Yo! - YO!. Downsized novel version of craps on a BJ sized table.


I almost stopped watching the promo at "...the dice game made for millennials..." but I plowed through...
Not a bad game -- I like the pace of play. Could be good for folks who are intimidated by the craps table. People could get hooked on this game and move to craps. Would I play? Maybe.
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November 1st, 2019 at 2:50:11 PM permalink
Quote: IndyJeffrey

I watched the previews for:

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1) Money$uit Industries LLC - Advanatge Play 3 Card Fury


I like this game. Without knowing any house edge, the feel of getting four cards to make the best three, make it play better than 3-card poker.



I appreciate that. The pay tables on the game demo and currently live in Ca have the following edges:

Base game (Ante/Play/Monster):
HA = 2.25%
EOR = .78%
Hit Rate = 67.67% (25% push, 42% win, 33% loss)

4 Card Royal Family Bonus:
HA = 3.5%
Hit rate = 27.8%
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November 21st, 2019 at 6:42:44 AM permalink
Let me announce the winners of the 2019 Cutting Edge new table games awards:

  1. Blackjack Burnout -- This game first appeared at the show in 2016 and has been played at the Saratoga in Blackhawk for a few years. Briefly, the player may pay a 20% with at the same time as his initial wager to "burn out" a bad card and replace it with a random card in the deck. Click the link to WoO for full details of the rules and analysis.
  2. Baccarat Blitz -- This is a combination of War and baccarat. Basically War, but with baccarat scoring. In the event of a tie, two more cards are dealt to resolve it.
  3. 3 Card Fury -- This is Three Card Poker with a Crazy 4 Poker structure (two mandated bets and a raise or fold decision). The twist is the player gets four cards (discarding one) to the dealer's three. Angela dealing this one may have helped get some votes.


I will write more about the other games at the show later. Until then, this Cutting Edge floor plan lists all of them.



Here I am with Angel Espino with Blackjack Burnout and Brent Weiss with 3 Card Fury.



Here is out our new member Doubleluck1 and his business partner with Baccarat Blitz, second place winners.
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November 21st, 2019 at 8:26:27 AM permalink
Congrats to all, but especially my buddy Brent!
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November 21st, 2019 at 9:43:11 AM permalink
Congrats to all New Games Inventors.
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November 21st, 2019 at 11:48:10 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Let me announce the winners of the 2019 Cutting Edge new table games awards:

  1. 3 Card Fury -- This is Three Card Poker with a Crazy 4 Poker structure (two mandated bets and a raise or fold decision). The twist is the player gets four cards (discarding one) to the dealer's three. Angela dealing this one may have helped get some votes.




Here I am with Angel Espino with Blackjack Burnout and Brent Weiss with 3 Card Fury.



Thank you Mike. And let’s be real, how could having Angela dealing the game not have a positive effect on the players :)


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Congrats to all, but especially my buddy Brent!



Thank you Babs! :)

Still running around all day here with site visits and meetings until my flight back home later on. Once I get situated I’ll give a more in depth update from the show.

I must say though, I am very please to be sharing the podium with other WOV members, but they also happen to be three really great guys.

Congrats again to all.
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November 25th, 2019 at 7:46:48 PM permalink


This one is kind of interesting. I suppose there's probably too many "moving parts" and weird payouts (1.2:1 ?) for a casino but I can see people shouting in excitement while playing.

P.S. Where do you get one of those WoO shirts? And while we're at it, how about a coffee mug?
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November 25th, 2019 at 8:28:15 PM permalink
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This one is kind of interesting. I suppose there's probably too many "moving parts" and weird payouts (1.2:1 ?) for a casino but I can see people shouting in excitement while playing.

P.S. Where do you get one of those WoO shirts? And while we're at it, how about a coffee mug?



I liked that "Flushed" game though would spell it FLUSH-ed. Or RUSH TO A FLUSH.

Good color choices for the GAME but bad for the VIDEO about the game.

chip color was lost in the layout symbols.

Good to have that clear plastic marker for the game, but it should be colored for the video.

Young Lady interviewing the inventors was a better salesman than the inventors: I don't mean just anatomically but more that she addressed the salient casino advantages before they did.
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November 25th, 2019 at 8:32:47 PM permalink
Congrats to all ..............seconded!
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November 25th, 2019 at 9:33:28 PM permalink
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This one is kind of interesting. I suppose there's probably too many "moving parts" and weird payouts (1.2:1 ?) for a casino but I can see people shouting in excitement while playing.

P.S. Where do you get one of those WoO shirts? And while we're at it, how about a coffee mug?



I liked that "Flushed" game though would spell it FLUSH-ed. Or RUSH TO A FLUSH.

Good color choices for the GAME but bad for the VIDEO about the game.

chip color was lost in the layout symbols.

Good to have that clear plastic marker for the game, but it should be colored for the video.

Young Lady interviewing the inventors was a better salesman than the inventors: I don't mean just anatomically but more that she addressed the salient casino advantages before they did.



Not a horrible game, but I've seen better card based Roulette games. Might get a couple installs.

I think the interviewer might be the girl from the Vegas Aces casino dealer website? Not sure since I've never met her, but she looks familiar and is obviously way to knowledgable to be there randomly.


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November 26th, 2019 at 3:00:49 AM permalink
A very similar layout with the cards in a horse race was played in the old Los Angeles county jail in the 70s. (at the time it was the "new" county jail, Hall of Justice on 1st and Macy was the "old county"). Each module had four rows, each with two tiers. The crew would operate the game on the bottom tier and guys would stand or hang from the upper tier, (on the freeways), and watch and wager a considerable amount of cash. 13 cells, 6-man, often overcrowded, on each row, meant there was a lot of guys either playing or watching or helping to operate the action. In those days you could smoke, so it was like a couple hundred assorted inmates packed together as close to the action as they could get, smelly and very loud, smoky, hot, stale air, cuz there was nothing else to do. Guards didn't seem to mind, as long as it was fairly orderly, it was all out in the open, and we'd play until chow time. I've got to think that somehow this idea was passed down over the decades. At the moment I can't remember how exactly the odds of each horse was determined. I think some of the names were Spades Away, Club Foot, Heart Attack, the operators were very experienced, a talented announcer, very exciting. I remember they didn't classify or segregate back then so it was guys facing murder beefs right next to guys with traffic warrants, and vagrants taking a breaking from the street. Good times.
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November 26th, 2019 at 6:30:55 AM permalink
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This one is kind of interesting. I suppose there's probably too many "moving parts" and weird payouts (1.2:1 ?) for a casino but I can see people shouting in excitement while playing.

P.S. Where do you get one of those WoO shirts? And while we're at it, how about a coffee mug?



I wonder if this will stimulate this debate again... Does anyone remember all of the fights over these two similar games? Racing Card Derby vs Win, Place Show forum debate
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November 26th, 2019 at 8:08:02 AM permalink


I rather liked Flushed. Very nice guys behind the game too.

If games like Casino War can make it, why not this one? People who didn't see it might say it would play too slowly, but it really does play fast. How fast can you turn over about a dozen cards one at a time? I'd say about 12 seconds. Much better than similar horse racing gaming that used dice. It could easily work as an electronic game too, which could allow in-progress betting.

I said to people at the show I would bet even money it would at least show (coming the first three places), but nobody took me up on it, fortunately. Had I not lost my ballot, I might have voted for it.
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November 26th, 2019 at 8:28:24 AM permalink
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I rather liked Flushed. Very nice guys behind the game too.

If games like Casino War can make it, why not this one? People who didn't see it might say it would play too slowly, but it really does play fast. How fast can you turn over about a dozen cards one at a time? I'd say about 12 seconds. Much better than similar horse racing gaming that used dice. It could easily work as an electronic game too, which could allow in-progress betting.

I said to people at the show I would bet even money it would at least show (coming the first three places), but nobody took me up on it, fortunately. Had I not lost my ballot, I might have voted for it.


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November 26th, 2019 at 8:48:21 AM permalink
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Had I not lost my ballot, I might have voted for it.

Gee, I expected better bankroll management skills than that!
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November 26th, 2019 at 8:53:24 AM permalink
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This one is kind of interesting. I suppose there's probably too many "moving parts" and weird payouts (1.2:1 ?)



How I wish that 6:5 was a weird payout
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November 26th, 2019 at 11:00:53 AM permalink
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Gee, I expected better bankroll management skills than that!



touche'
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November 26th, 2019 at 11:08:18 AM permalink
It feels like something should be happening between the turning over of each card. Like a player decision of some sort, or a round of betting...just seems awkward turning over cards one at a time.

Maybe i think that way from having played Let It Ride.
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November 26th, 2019 at 1:29:13 PM permalink
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I think the interviewer might be the girl from the Vegas Aces casino dealer website? Not sure since I've never met her, but she looks familiar and is obviously way to knowledgable to be there randomly. ZCore13



Yeah, that's Heather Ferris from Vegas Aces. She was a casino dealer for several years. She was also the Wizard's assistant for a while and still produces the WOO livestreams.

Vegas Aces is mainly a dealer's resource site but they also do other things. Here is a promo video they did for this CE game...



And here is Heather's CE video of GSCB...



It's a matching game with a LiR being mechanic.
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April 5th, 2020 at 6:45:44 PM permalink
The Wizard's teammates are finally rolling out the videos from the 2019 Cutting Edge show. Our first one is Advantage Play 3 Card Fury as demonstrated by Angela.



Direct: https://youtu.be/WGp-71Gbz68
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April 6th, 2020 at 7:20:09 AM permalink
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The Wizard's teammates are finally rolling out the videos from the 2019 Cutting Edge show. Our first one is Advantage Play 3 Card Fury as demonstrated by Angela.



Direct: https://youtu.be/WGp-71Gbz68



Thanks for uploading the video Mike.

You two are quite funny together as always!
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April 8th, 2020 at 10:43:09 AM permalink
Our next video from the 2019 Cutting Edge show is Hex. This one will seem instantly familiar to anyone who plays Settlers of Catan.



Direct: https://youtu.be/IR-sA3UbXso
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April 8th, 2020 at 6:04:44 PM permalink
As a hobbyist gamer, I can appreciate what they're trying to do here. As a casino gamer, however, I can only roll my eyes at how fiddly the game is. It's basically craps without the pass line along with the place and field bets mixed together on the wings. Consider...

Players have to bet one at a time.

Once a letter is claimed, no other player can bet on it. (Why?)

There's no point number so you just throw until a seven is rolled when all bets lose.

I do think the layout is pretty to look at, and it is easier to learn than craps, but it's just too boardgamey intellectual to replace (as its website suggests) a rowdy casino craps table.
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April 8th, 2020 at 6:18:28 PM permalink
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As a hobbyist gamer, I can appreciate what they're trying to do here. As a casino gamer, however, I can only roll my eyes at how fiddly the game is. It's basically craps without the pass line along with the place and field bets mixed together on the wings. Consider...



I don't like to say anything bad about the game, as the guys behind hit were very nice, but I tend to agree with your comments. There may be a decent game idea there, based on the Settlers of Catan concept of winning cards, but this way has too many issues. I think the reason players must pick their spots one at a time is to avoid the problem of the dealer keeping track of who made what bet. Maybe roulette colored chips and a smaller table.
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April 8th, 2020 at 7:08:37 PM permalink
I'd say there is zero chance of success for this game. I'd venture to say they'd be lucky to get 3 installs ever. And that's if they know the people.


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Our next game from Cutting Edge 2019 is Diceball. Vinny, the creator, is a fun guy. Between him and Angela, I think this is one of the better videos from the show.

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April 30th, 2020 at 11:39:18 AM permalink
I am sorry to see that my Diceball video didn't get any comments. With Angela making the bets, I thought it was one of our better ones.

On the other hand, my latest video on No Point Craps is not one of my better ones. I feel it doesn't convey the gist of the game well. The gist is there are two primary bets, low and high. If you bet low, you're betting the second roll will be lower than the first.



Direct: https://youtu.be/CYQSc5frmk0.

The guys behind this game were very nice, but it took them a long time to explain the rules. It didn't help that there were a host of side bets and they tried to explain every one of them. I just Emailed Shawn, the owner, for clarification of the rules, which I can put in the video description.

That said, let me know what you think of the game and the video.
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April 30th, 2020 at 2:00:35 PM permalink
No Point Craps
Video was ok. It was not the best pitch (maybe due to nerves or the presence of the Wiz?).
The explanation was confusing right from the beginning. The game is called "No Point Craps" but the first thing explained is the "point" throw. Otherwise it was fine and could be fun to play after learning more.
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April 30th, 2020 at 6:48:47 PM permalink
Diceball: It's a good video. Vinnie is an entertaining spokesperson and Angela (as usual) improves the scenery. I also like the simplified concept with 7 always being bad and everything else always being good or neutral. A glance at its WOO page, however, shows that most of the bets have an HE competitive with slot machines. I'd throw a few red chips at it if I saw it but only because I collect the experience of playing games in the same way many here collect casino chips.

No Point Craps: Yowza. That is a really big table for such a really small game. Two rolls, the end. And what's with the name? The first roll is (rather oddly) called "The Point Roll". Or perhaps it's apt in that there's no point in playing this game. Okay, I kid. I actually think this is a clever idea but, if any streamlined craps game could use a streamlined layout, this would be it. Maybe Vinnie can come over from the Diceball table and give them some pointers.
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May 6th, 2020 at 5:34:04 PM permalink
I thought the game, Diceball, was a nice simplified dice game for those unfamiliar with craps. The idea of always making the “7” a negative outcome should resonate with most players. I was glad to discover that Vinny has gotten a few placements with some of the Grosvenor properties in the U.K.

I hope Vinny gets even more installments as it’s good to see good people enjoy success!
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May 6th, 2020 at 8:55:10 PM permalink
The next Cutting Edge video is up on Grand Slam Casino Baseball



I must admit that this was another difficult one to explain quickly. My sidekick, Heather, also made a video on the game, which you can find at amazzenggaming.com. The basic idea is you want your two cards to match the four community cards.

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May 7th, 2020 at 10:08:01 AM permalink
No video access.
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May 7th, 2020 at 10:45:45 AM permalink
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No video access.



Sorry, it was in a "draft state." Please try again.
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May 7th, 2020 at 2:54:19 PM permalink
Grand Slam Casino Baseball: The game exhibitor's baseball terminology (i.e., mumbo jumbo) about "triples" and "home runs" is a negative feature of the explanation that you were stuck with. A negative feature of the game, IMO.

A video about a game like this needs to clearly state what the player is trying to accomplish, what the payouts are for different levels of matching the board, and what the player decisions are. Simply showing the payout tables on the felt might have helped to explain some of this. But also, I have no idea why players might wish to "pull back" their third base bet or their second base bet -why are they given that option? Because they have bad cards, less than a 10? or what?

Again, this is a problem with how the exhibitor is explaining his game, not with your skills at making a video. I get the feeling that a fairly simple "card rank matching game" has been adorned with baseball-themed terminology and imagery as a marketing ploy, but the net result is that this is not a clear description of the game. I feel skeptical about the prospects of this game.
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May 8th, 2020 at 2:31:42 PM permalink
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Again, this is a problem with how the exhibitor is explaining his game, not with your skills at making a video.



Thanks for not assigning me any blame, but I'll accept some. If it's any excuse, I don't understand these games myself most of the time when I do the interview and count on the game representative to explain it in a minute or two. Many games are hard to sum up that quickly because they simply are complicated games. This game in particular.

However, this year, if there is a show, I'll try harder to understand the rules myself to ask better questions and maybe narrate the example hands myself.
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May 8th, 2020 at 3:33:29 PM permalink
It's "Let It Ride" with an extra card.
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May 14th, 2020 at 12:18:59 PM permalink
The next video from the 2019 Cutting Edge show is Cash Card. Enjoy!


Direct: https://youtu.be/VRaTEqAOeNs
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May 14th, 2020 at 4:55:54 PM permalink
He seems like a nice kid. And it's interesting that he managed to do the show on the cheap with only a printing of his layout. (I didn't know CE would allow that.) As for the game, well, unfortunately card roulette games are a dime a dozen. I wish him the best but the reality is Cash Card's chances of success lie somewhere between jack and squat.
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May 29th, 2020 at 1:04:19 PM permalink
It's time for our next game from Cutting Edge -- Baccarat Blitz.



Direct: https://youtu.be/L6i5pTJ8ZdU

I would loosely describe this game as a cross between baccarat and Casino War. It went onto win second place at the show.

Comments on the game or video?
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May 29th, 2020 at 4:10:39 PM permalink
Mike,

Thanks for uploading the video for us!
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May 29th, 2020 at 8:12:28 PM permalink
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Mike,

Thanks for uploading the video for us!



You're welcome. You found out quickly. Sorry it took so long.
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May 29th, 2020 at 10:50:52 PM permalink
On Baccarat Blitz, what rules are the source of the House Edge on a Banker/Player wager? On the video, those wagers looked like a coin flip.
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May 29th, 2020 at 11:32:54 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

It's time for our next game from Cutting Edge -- Baccarat Blitz.



Direct: https://youtu.be/L6i5pTJ8ZdU

I would loosely describe this game as a cross between baccarat and Casino War. It went onto win second place at the show.

Comments on the game or video?


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