Paigowdan
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November 17th, 2015 at 9:24:04 PM permalink
The new game Double Blackjack went live at Green Valley Ranch today in the Vegas area.
The game is played as follows:
1. Players make a Blackjack two-card bet and a three card BJ bet of the same size. Player and dealer then get a packet of 5 cards. The goal is to make two blackjack hands, one a two-card side, and one a three-card side, both best as possible. Any hand that isn't between 17 to 21 is a fouled hand, and is an auto loss for both player and dealer, although player fouls first. The majority of hands can be made with either one or both hands valid.

2. The player may set his hand any way he sees fit, as there are no high hand/low hand requirements (like in Pai Gow Poker).

3. The dealer must follow a house way. The dealer must try to set:
a) The dealer will set the highest 3-card 17-21 hand that maintains a 2-card 17-21 hand, else:
b) The dealer will set the highest 3-card 17-21 hand with a fouled 2-card hand, else:
c) The dealer will set the highest 2-card 17-21 hand with a fouled 3-card hand, else:
d) The dealer will set any two fouled hands.

4. If a player can set two 21-valued hands on both sides, the player wins an additional one-half unit on the two-card side regardless of the dealer's hand. (This means that if the player's two-card 21 wins, he gets paid 3:2 on it, else if it ties to a dealer's two-card 21, he pushes but picks up a half-unit bonus.)

There is a bonus bet that pays if the player can form two 20-valued or better hands. The field trial is not listed online at the NGCB yet, but the game is live in its field trial.
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Paradigm
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November 17th, 2015 at 9:29:10 PM permalink
I will be back in Vegas in January and now have to get out to GVR for both this game and Poker With A Joker to try them out.

PGD is there a website or any place to play the game for free electronically?

Also is this a shoe dealt game or does it use fresh 52 card deck used each hand?
Paigowdan
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November 17th, 2015 at 9:40:46 PM permalink
1. We didn't set up a Web site to provide game demos, etc., nor did we display the game at Cutting Edge. On this game we simply got the GLI math and field trial directly, for the least development cost, to see how the game performs. If the game does well (is not a dog), then there are options to expand locally in the Las Vegas by direct sales, or set up a Web site and get demos done, that is if we do not sign it up with a distributor, where the distributor would do the sales & marketing.

2. The game uses an I-Deal shuffler, dispensing packets of five cards per round, instead of a shoe. Dealer puts the prior deck into the machine and deals out packets from the shuffled deck that's ready to go.
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November 18th, 2015 at 1:02:25 AM permalink
Quote: Paigowdan

The new game Double Blackjack ...

Interesting to compare it with Pai Jack ( http://www.scoregamingnv.com/portfolio/pai-jack/ ) where hands less than 17 are acceptable but you cannot set the low hand if the high hand busts.
Paigowdan
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November 18th, 2015 at 1:43:26 AM permalink
Yes, we became familiar with Pai jack, but they are two separate games. The similarity is using Blackjack scoring in the games, but the game type and player restrictions are very different.

1. Pai Jack requires the player to make only one primary bet as a single Pai Gow type game; Double Blackjack requires the player to make two equal Blackjack bets, and form two separate Blackjack hands or games. Pai Jack is played as a single Pai Gow game; Double Blackjack is played as two separate Blackjack games played concurrently.

2. In Pai Jack, the player is required to set their 3-card side equal to or higher than the 2-card hand; In Double Blackjack game, the player may set two separate hands any way they want, and without any comparison restrictions between the two hands that create a “high hand side” and “low hand side.” In other words, the Pai Jack game has restrictive Pai Gow type “hand set rules” while Double Blackjack has no such player hand set rules as a Double Blackjack game.

3. In Pai Jack, if the player or dealer’s three card hand is over 21, the full hand is busted and the entire player position is a loss; in Double Blackjack, if the three card hand is bad, the two-card hand remains in action as a separate game to win, and vice versa.

4. In Pai Jack, players and dealer may have hand side values less than 17 to remain in action without fouling. In Double Blackjack, any hand that is not a "pat" Blackjack hand is bad, with only that hand or game side’s wager losing.

Also, the bonus bet in Double Blackjack is Blackjack hand-value based (for example, a 20 with a 20, or two 21's, or a 21 with a soft hand side, no matter how formed, etc.) There are No Mini Royals or hand composition restrictions in getting two 20's or better, and what have you. I also have Pai Gow type games to release (with a single bet, and hand side comparison rules, etc.), but we wanted no Pai Gow basis or rules in this game.
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charliepatrick
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November 18th, 2015 at 5:42:27 AM permalink
Quote: Paigowdan

Yes, we became familiar with Pai jack, but they are two separate games...

I've played Pai Jack (see http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gaming-business/game-inventors/18111-ricoh-coventry-showcase/5/#post497180 ) so was interested in the similarities. One problem with Pai Jack is how often you bust, and so don't get a game. I know the dealer makes Hi of 17-21 87% of the time (and busts about 10%). Thus I'm guessing one advantage with your game is players will make at least one hand, for instance many of the Pai Jack busts are with high cards where a 2-card 20 could be made.
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November 18th, 2015 at 6:12:15 AM permalink
Thanks for posting this. Now I have two reasons to go out to the GVR. Can you tell me what hours both this game and Poker with a Joker are open?
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Paigowdan
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November 18th, 2015 at 7:34:39 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Thanks for posting this. Now I have two reasons to go out to the GVR. Can you tell me what hours both this game and Poker with a Joker are open?


Mike, thank you. The games are generally open 2PM to midnight, 7 days a week. Double Blackjack must be open 2PM to midnight during the field trial as posted hours. I am happy Poker with a Joker is busy long after the field trial. Know that when you have a field trial, there are actually two field trials happening, with the second field trial being the "casino keeping the game after the official NV field trial ends."

Quote: charliepatrick

I've played Pai Jack (see http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gaming-business/game-inventors/18111-ricoh-coventry-showcase/5/#post497180 ) so was interested in the similarities. One problem with Pai Jack is how often you bust, and so don't get a game. I know the dealer makes Hi of 17-21 87% of the time (and busts about 10%). Thus I'm guessing one advantage with your game is players will make at least one hand, for instance many of the Pai Jack busts are with high cards where a 2-card 20 could be made.


Charlie, yes, that is a key point. In designing a game, I look for playing characteristics that are "more good, less bad," - and fouling both hands is less than 1% in Double Blackjack. When we did the math, we got the following stats on fouling neither, either, or both hands. It is a fairly pushy game (which we felt is good), as many games are too streaky. The germ of the game idea was from my business partner on this, Al, but a lot of the detail work was from myself. A good team here.

Hand Setting Outcomes
Two Pat Hands 38.52%
Three Card Pat Hand Only 23.05%
Two Card Pat Hand Only 37.45%
Two Fouled Hands 0.97%

Let me add that ties (copies) push, and are NOT won by the house. Also very Blackjack-y in spirit and in game play.
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November 18th, 2015 at 9:50:35 AM permalink
Best of luck with the field trial.
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November 18th, 2015 at 10:32:55 AM permalink
Dan, I'm very happy for your new game and many more installs in the future.

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