RealizeGaming
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February 21st, 2015 at 4:49:34 PM permalink
I'm anticipating my next video poker game to receive a United States Patent later this year, so I thought I'd share it with everyone. This is the base game, but there are a number of variations that I will share later.

Trade N Place Poker is a poker game with three horizontal poker hands that are played within a 5 x 3 matrix. The game uses a normal deck of cards with the addition of a trade card. The trade cards allows the player to trade the card positions of any two cards on the matrix when it is dealt into the opening deal of the hand.

The game begins by dealing out 15 cards into the matrix. If the trade card is dealt into the hand, it is removed and a replacement card is dealt into that card position. The player is now granted the opportunity to trade the card positions of any two cards within the matrix to build their hand or to improve upon the current value of the hand. Once the trade is complete, one additional card is shown to the player and they will place that card in any position on the matrix. Placing the card on the matrix "covers up" or replaces the existing card in the matrix. Once the card is placed, the player is dealt another card which the player places on the matrix. After all cards are placed onto the matrix, the ending horizontal hands are calculated according to a pay scale.

Quick Rules:
If the trade card is dealt into the hand, the player gets one trade and two place cards.

If the trade card is not dealt into the hand, the player gets three place cards.

I will be getting the math completed on this game later this year and I should have a working demo to go with it. Questions, comments, and any feedback is welcomed.

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Venthus
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February 22nd, 2015 at 2:05:58 PM permalink
So basically:

You're dealt three hands, off a single deck.
Randomly, you can swap two cards. If given this option, you then draw two more cards, one at a time, that you can use to replace existing cards.
If not given the option to swap, three more cards are drawn that may be used to replace existing cards.
Payouts are rendered.
RealizeGaming
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February 22nd, 2015 at 4:12:05 PM permalink
Correct. That is exactly how it works for this version of the game.
RealizeGaming
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March 5th, 2015 at 3:24:59 PM permalink
Thanks to the Wizard for putting this thread into this forum!
MrCasinoGames
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March 6th, 2015 at 1:28:57 AM permalink
Good Game.
I like most of your VP games.
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TriathlonTodd
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March 6th, 2015 at 2:14:22 AM permalink
This seems like a neat idea. I imagine coming up with a proper strategy / determining the HE, will be quite a challenge.
RealizeGaming
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March 6th, 2015 at 2:39:41 AM permalink
Quote: MrCasinoGames

Good Game.
I like most of your VP games.

Thanks Stephen.
RealizeGaming
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March 6th, 2015 at 2:42:41 AM permalink
Quote: TriathlonTodd

This seems like a neat idea. I imagine coming up with a proper strategy / determining the HE, will be quite a challenge.

I agree. Hopefully I can get a demo together soon to get a better feel for it.
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March 6th, 2015 at 5:35:52 AM permalink
I certainly give you points for originality. However, I fear that it will take players too long to think through a hand. Most players don't want to think too hard. Sorry to be negative, but anyone can tell you that I'm very tough to please when it comes to new game ideas, as I know that about 99% fail.

My compliments to whoever is doing the math on this. I'd be interested to know the name.
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March 6th, 2015 at 6:01:54 AM permalink
So the max cards you get on a re deal is 3 to spread throughout 3 hands?

If that is the case then I don't like it at all. You basically are playing to get PAT hands or 4 to a something which don't happen often enough to keep me interested.
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RealizeGaming
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March 6th, 2015 at 6:12:32 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I certainly give you points for originality. However, I fear that it will take players too long to think through a hand. Most players don't want to think too hard. Sorry to be negative, but anyone can tell you that I'm very tough to please when it comes to new game ideas, as I know that about 99% fail.

My compliments to whoever is doing the math on this. I'd be interested to know the name.

Thanks for the feedback Wizard. I came up with the game because I wanted a bit more thinking and strategy in a video poker game. It definitely isn't for everyone. I haven't started to look into the math yet but I know it will not be easy.
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March 6th, 2015 at 6:20:24 AM permalink
Quote: GWAE

So the max cards you get on a re deal is 3 to spread throughout 3 hands?

If that is the case then I don't like it at all. You basically are playing to get PAT hands or 4 to a something which don't happen often enough to keep me interested.

GWAE thanks for the feedback. The patent contains the option of using n cards to place on the matrix. Without having the math, I created the game with 2 place cards when a trade card is dealt into the hand or just 3 place cards if no trade card was dealt. This could be adjusted. I originally had a 5 x 5 grid to play the game but it took awhile to play and was confusing. Nonetheless, it was fun to play. I will try to post the old demo of that game later tonight so you can get a feel for it.
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March 6th, 2015 at 7:47:27 AM permalink
Tim, have you looked into the prior art on this game? I am pretty sure I remember a game from many years back where the player could choose cards to swap between hands.
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March 6th, 2015 at 8:49:24 AM permalink
I think you are going to find that using only one deck for all three hands and being able to replace 3 cards maximum, the hold is going to be way too high. I'm not a math guy so this is just my thought looking at it for the first time.

I like the idea. Maybe have to end up using 3 different decks for the 3 hands? Props to you for the concept and I like the thinking factor of it.

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RealizeGaming
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March 6th, 2015 at 8:52:22 AM permalink
Quote: DRich

Tim, have you looked into the prior art on this game? I am pretty sure I remember a game from many years back where the player could choose cards to swap between hands.

Yes, I have. The only problem with the prior art was using the 5x5 grid which a lot of people have done in the past. The patent office was okay on the trade and place concepts up to this point. Does anyone remember that game that Drich is referring to? I've never seen one similar to it.
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March 6th, 2015 at 9:06:26 AM permalink
Quote: RealizeGaming

Yes, I have. The only problem with the prior art was using the 5x5 grid which a lot of people have done in the past. The patent office was okay on the trade and place concepts up to this point. Does anyone remember that game that Drich is referring to? I've never seen one similar to it.

I don't know if the game I am thinking of ever went public, but someone came into my office and was pitching a triple hand game where you could move cards between the hands. I didn't care for it because I thought it was too slow so I passed on it.
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March 6th, 2015 at 9:08:27 AM permalink
Quote: RealizeGaming

Yes, I have. The only problem with the prior art was using the 5x5 grid which a lot of people have done in the past. The patent office was okay on the trade and place concepts up to this point. Does anyone remember that game that Drich is referring to? I've never seen one similar to it.

Here's one with a trade feature...

Video Poker

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RealizeGaming
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March 6th, 2015 at 9:09:59 AM permalink
Thanks Zcore13. I have to be careful about the three separate hands from three separate decks since it would be shot down by the patent office since it resembles Moody's triple play. Also, it gets more complicated when more than one deck is used. I will look into it further.
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March 6th, 2015 at 6:00:27 PM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

Here's one with a trade feature...

Video Poker

ZCore13

I have played this game before, but it is very different than mine. Chase the Royal gives the player a chance to trade their winning hand for chances at a royal flush. This type of trade is trading a hand for another hand whereas mines trades one card position for another.