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January 31st, 2014 at 11:16:40 AM permalink
Congrat's Bab's, I hope you get to enjoy the excitement of seeing your game in the casino soon.
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January 31st, 2014 at 1:37:27 PM permalink
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Trust me Face. I have know a few rich men. A rich man is just a poor man with money.



I have to agree with this statement. A rich man knows just as much sadness as a poor man. I've been both. I'm an old rail rider. Money will not buy you happiness. I always avoid the question of whether I am happy or not. I don't have to sweat anything, anymore. Does it make me happy? I'm happy that I don't have to sweat paying the bills. The rest of it, no.

But I don't know what I can do at this point. I'm a survivor. I'm very proud of that.

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EvenBob
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January 31st, 2014 at 2:11:14 PM permalink
Odd choice of casinos to try out a new game. I've
been there, very small, under a thousand slots.
It's a SHFL casino, all their table games are
SHFL.

"Mississippi Stud Poker, 3 Card Poker, Pai Gow, Let It Ride Bonus, and Fire Bet on Craps are trademarks used under license from SHFL entertainment, Inc."

It's in the middle of the middle of the
Midwest, pig farmer red neck country.
Pig farmers and corn farmers. It's a
small casino, these people are set in
their ways. They smoke Marlboro's, drink
Coors Light, and play the same game
every time they go to the casino. It seems
like a new game would be a hard sell
here. The space is limited so that if it doesn't
start making money right away, they won't
have a lot of tolerance for wasting the
space.

We have a local casino that has 1500 slots,
it's small too. They've had the same table
games since they opened in 2011. I asked
about it and they said they tried two newer
games but nobody played them. Midwesterners
are superstitious, new things scare them.

I can kind of see the logic of putting a new game
in this kind of market. The 'if they play it here
they'll play it a anywhere' mentality. Tough sell,
though. Casinos like this are where new games
go to die, more often than not.
"It's not enough to succeed, your friends must fail." Gore Vidal
doubleluck
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January 31st, 2014 at 6:05:57 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Midwesterners are superstitious, new things scare them.


How about "GAMBLERS" are superstitious?

Most casino execs won't try a new game in an tourist or larger market because they first want to see if the game will have "legs". It's almost a given that a game has to make it in a local market because all the other markets are too risk adverse. Larger markets feel they have no reason to take any risks and, therefore, they rarely do. 21+3 has been played the South and Midwest for almost a decade before being a "new" game in Nevada as recently as a couple of years ago. While it's still VERY early, "Match 'Em Hi Low" has been being played in a "middle of nowhere" Iowa casino since October and it's outperforming many of the traditional games and even some of the the widely known proprietary ones. Bottom line -- Location alone doesn't determine your fate and every game has to get its proverbial "foot in the door" in somewhere!
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January 31st, 2014 at 6:18:51 PM permalink
Quote: doubleluck

21+3 has been played the South and Midwest for almost a decade before being a "new" game in Nevada as recently as a couple of years ago. While it's still VERY early, "Match 'Em Hi Low" has been being played in a "middle of nowhere" Iowa casino since October and it's outperforming many of the traditional games and even some of the the widely known proprietary ones. Bottom line -- Location alone doesn't determine your fate!



Ultimate Texas Holdem/Mississippi Stud has been a Missouri staple for quite awhile now too. And 21+3 has been around forever. I think St. Louis might be the nation's capital for that game; it's difficult to find other BJ sidebets here. Vegas probably balked at it because house edge is low, but CET Vegas has really embraced that garbage house edge "Extreme" game.
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January 31st, 2014 at 7:19:32 PM permalink
Knowing Shuffle Master, I am sure this isn't the only place they will test the game. They probably went there first because it's easy to get new games approved there.
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February 1st, 2014 at 4:32:36 AM permalink
Quote: Thermos

Knowing Shuffle Master, I am sure this isn't the only place they will test the game. They probably went there first because it's easy to get new games approved there.


Exactly my understanding. More sites to come. One step at a time.
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If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
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February 1st, 2014 at 11:11:22 PM permalink
Quote: doubleluck

How about "GAMBLERS" are superstitious?

Most casino execs won't try a new game in an tourist or larger market because they first want to see if the game will have "legs". It's almost a given that a game has to make it in a local market because all the other markets are too risk adverse. Larger markets feel they have no reason to take any risks and, therefore, they rarely do. 21+3 has been played the South and Midwest for almost a decade before being a "new" game in Nevada as recently as a couple of years ago. While it's still VERY early, "Match 'Em Hi Low" has been being played in a "middle of nowhere" Iowa casino since October and it's outperforming many of the traditional games and even some of the the widely known proprietary ones. Bottom line -- Location alone doesn't determine your fate and every game has to get its proverbial "foot in the door" in somewhere!



Luck,

Your comments are very much appreciated, as is your perspective. I'm quite grateful there are properties like DJ's who are willing to give a new game a chance and I hope they make buckets of money doing it. I think EB's comments were offensive and unnecessary, as an Iowan for over a decade, and counterproductive to this thread or topic. It's already hard enough, as the inventors on here often talk about, to get initial placements. Why insult those who do, or their customers? Simply classless move on an inventors forum. Easy to spoil it for everyone with that kind of nonsense. Thanks again for weighing in.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
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February 1st, 2014 at 11:20:19 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

I think EB's comments were offensive and unnecessary,.



But truthful, you left that part out. I don't see
you rebutting anything I said. Why speak about
how things really work, when we can just be
ever hopeful. I prefer Mike's words of wisdom:

"It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet."

Most people have no idea what that even means.
Truer words were never spoken when it comes
to gambling.
"It's not enough to succeed, your friends must fail." Gore Vidal
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February 1st, 2014 at 11:40:20 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

But truthful, you left that part out. I don't see
you rebutting anything I said. Why speak about
how things really work, when we can just be
ever hopeful. I prefer Mike's words of wisdom:

"It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet."

Most people have no idea what that even means.
Truer words were never spoken when it comes
to gambling.



Don't put words in my mouth. I don't agree that anything you said is truthful. It's just your opinion selectively formed and consistent with your worldview, which I do not share. Yours holds a disadvantage to the many other users and readers of this forum in that it can do real damage to the opportunities made available. So I am rejecting your premise publicly instead of ignoring your negative post as I do more often than not.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.

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