Galaxy gaming problems in California

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May 18th, 2013 at 8:59:04 AM permalink

We are talking about this here...

Prior Conversation on Galaxy issues

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May 18th, 2013 at 9:03:28 AM permalink

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We are talking about this here

Prior Conversation on Galaxy issues

ZCore13

Oops didn`t see that.

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May 18th, 2013 at 9:05:47 AM permalink

No big deal. You would never know it based on the title of the thread. I just wanted to point you that way in case you wanted to see more talk about it.

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May 18th, 2013 at 10:12:00 AM permalink

What I don't understand about the story is why the author and/or editor of that story decided that every paragraph beyond the bullet points should be exceedingly short. For example:

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In December 2005, investigators sent a letter to the California Gaming Control Commission recommending that the commission deem Saucier unsuitable to operate in California as a gaming supplier.

The case was assigned to the Attorney General�s Office in 2007 for prosecution. It still is pending. The lawyer in charge, Deputy Attorney General William Williams, Jr., was not available for comment.

Why not make this one paragraph?

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May 18th, 2013 at 10:20:01 AM permalink

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The lawyer in charge, Deputy Attorney General William Williams, Jr., was not available for comment.

What kind of parents with the last name of Williams names their son William?

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May 18th, 2013 at 10:27:39 AM permalink

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What kind of parents with the last name of Williams names their son William?

The same kind that would name their kid Robert Loblaw

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May 18th, 2013 at 10:55:14 AM permalink

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The company�s titles include Player�s Edge, Emperor�s Challenge, Deuces Wild and Texas Shootout. Its side bet offerings include Bonus Craps, Bust Bonus and Lucky 8.

The company also developed TableMAX, an automated table game that offers blackjack without a live dealer.

How about the Author not even doing enough research to make sure his story is current and relevant. Galaxy's most recent and most promising products are High Card Flush and their Bonus Jackpot platform. You would think he would have been able to at least Google some more recent news about Galaxy than years old info.

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May 18th, 2013 at 2:38:04 PM permalink

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How about the Author not even doing enough research to make sure his story is current and relevant. Galaxy's most recent and most promising products are High Card Flush and their Bonus Jackpot platform. You would think he would have been able to at least Google some more recent news about Galaxy than years old info.

ZCore13

Zcore, do you have High card Flush in your casino yet? I did not see it 2 weeks ago.

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May 18th, 2013 at 2:58:16 PM permalink

Not yet. I am negotiating the details and developing the dealing instructions and game play rules to submit to the State. I believe we will be the first in the State if all goes well and am hoping for a 3rd quarter install. Looking forward to getting it in.

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May 18th, 2013 at 4:36:43 PM permalink

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What kind of parents with the last name of Williams names their son William?

Same parents who make their kid's name a palindrome. My childhood friend OTTO MOTTO.

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May 18th, 2013 at 4:46:50 PM permalink

Quote: Wizard
What kind of parents with the last name of Williams names their son William?

William Williams has a nice rig to it

♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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May 20th, 2013 at 12:01:16 AM permalink

I played High Card Flush in a WA card room with Miplet this week and I have to say, I am more impressed with it than I was when I saw it at Raving in December. While the game has a very simple strategy, it offers the same "squeeze of the cards" anticipation of PGP and this should not be discounted. I think the game will find a place in a lot of pits even though your full house is no good in this game.

I enjoyed my hour of playing this new game and staying off the side bets (OK, I did put a consistent dollar on the straight flush bonus), I came out even. I think Galaxy finally has another premium game offering that is going to work in a lot of locations.

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May 20th, 2013 at 5:12:36 AM permalink

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What kind of parents with the last name of Williams names their son William?

William B. Williams was for many years the top disk jockey in New York on a leading music station in the city, WNEW-AM. His show, IIRC, was entitled "The Make-Believe Ballroom," and he featured a closed relationship with Sinatra and a large number of other big stars.

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May 20th, 2013 at 2:30:10 PM permalink

Can't see this game making outside the US, too slow and takes up too much space on a BJ table for the UK market.

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May 20th, 2013 at 2:34:52 PM permalink

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Can't see this game making outside the US, too slow and takes up too much space on a BJ table for the UK market.

What games are doing well in UK? If Pai Gow is well accepted there, HCF should.

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May 20th, 2013 at 2:49:24 PM permalink

For some reason Pai Gow did not really take off in the UK. I'm not aware of any UK casinos that offer Pai Gow unless there are some in London that do well with the game.

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May 20th, 2013 at 3:26:12 PM permalink

Speed of the game is far less important than if players like it, how much is being dropped on the game, how much the game is holding and other items. It's all about keeping the players coming in and getting some of their money. The fact that it plays a little slower than some games will not be a factor in it being or not being in the U.K.

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May 20th, 2013 at 3:27:16 PM permalink

Quote: Paradigm
While the game has a very simple strategy, it offers the same "squeeze of the cards" anticipation of PGP and this should not be discount

Stupid Jack of Hearts instead of diamonds! I'll have to get my mom down there to see if she likes it.

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May 20th, 2013 at 3:43:48 PM permalink

You are wrong my friend, speed of game is very important in the UK, turnover is everything, I am not saying its right, just that's the way it is. From the procedure I saw the game is a mess to deal, 7 cards each takes too long to deal plus the punters making up their hand..its dead on arrival in the UK..I take bets on it!

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May 20th, 2013 at 3:45:25 PM permalink

Pai Gow is available in the Empire in Leicester Square but being a chinese game that's hardly surprising, not widely available outside Leicester Square!

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May 20th, 2013 at 3:50:13 PM permalink

Pai Gow is a non starter, no third party game is doing anything, the structure of the casino industry makes bringing new games to the UK virtually impossible. Remember, Casinos in the UK are NOT in the gambling business, they offer gambling services.

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May 20th, 2013 at 6:27:29 PM permalink

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You are wrong my friend, speed of game is very important in the UK, turnover is everything, I am not saying its right, just that's the way it is. From the procedure I saw the game is a mess to deal, 7 cards each takes too long to deal plus the punters making up their hand..its dead on arrival in the UK..I take bets on it!

Thanks. This is very important to game inventors that have an interest in marking games in UK. Any 7 card game is out. How about 5 card, 4 card or 3 card games, the simple ones?

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May 20th, 2013 at 6:43:27 PM permalink

3CP is in virtually every casino in the UK. The Hold'Em variants, along with the 4-card poker games have not penetrated the market well at all.

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May 20th, 2013 at 9:19:49 PM permalink

Quote: McDemon
Pai Gow is a non starter, no third party game is doing anything, the structure of the casino industry makes bringing new games to the UK virtually impossible. Remember, Casinos in the UK are NOT in the gambling business, they offer gambling services.

What does this mean and what does this have to do with Galaxy likely to get kicked out of California?

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May 20th, 2013 at 9:32:14 PM permalink

Just because some dude that just joined the forum today, and his only posts are that a double zero rouloute will not take traction (on a thread that hadn't had a post in over 5 months) and saying High Card Flush will never work in the UK, says something wont work doesn't mean it's true.

I'm guessing his knowledge of the industry, in any Country, is next to or exactly zero. If somebody with experience in the UK market says something, then I'd say that's something you can put some trust in.

You can't just say a 7 card game will never work because it's dealt to slow. It takes the same amount of time to deal 7 cards as 3 or 4 out of an iDeal shuffler. The shuffler does all the work.

Does the actual game take a little longer to play, yes. But if players love the game (any game) and prove they will wager their hard earned money on it, it will end up in a Casino. Money talks in the Casino business.

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May 20th, 2013 at 11:29:40 PM permalink

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William Williams has a nice rig to it

there was a very famous disc jockey on WNEW radio in New York City by the name of William B Williams who for decades hosted "The Make Believe Ballroom." This was adult oriented radio in the 1950s and 1960s... Sinatra and the like.

I think for a while he was the highest paid DJ in the USA.

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May 21st, 2013 at 12:40:24 AM permalink

I have been in the gaming business since 1986, in the UK. I know the market better than most. I am also a game developer and currently have a game trialing in the UK. I consider myself an expert in this field. Arrogant though it may sound, if I say the game won't work in the UK, you can put your mortgage on it that it won't. As for shuffler, the game has to be manually dealt when the shuffler breaks down which is regular, plus casinos do not always won't to pay a weekly fee for a game that hasn't proved itself. The reality is, it won't get the exposure or time for players to love it, the dealers won't like dealing it and so it will go nowhere. I appreciate it may come across as negative but unfortunately that's the UK market, I can't speak for other jurisdictions.

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May 21st, 2013 at 12:44:44 AM permalink

The UK market is so risk averse that it is virtually impossible to get any game in. Weekends is the only time attendance is high enough (outside London) so game only get trialed then which ultimately means the real punters (who do not generally visit at weekends) don't get exposure to any new games. UK casino run casinos on a shoestring with minimal staff. They are reluctant to put resources into anything new so new games are a real challenge to get it

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May 22nd, 2013 at 8:00:25 PM permalink

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I am also a game developer and currently have a game trialing in the UK

I'll bite :-).....what game do you have trialing?

I wish you much success, but from your description it sounds like a tougher road in the UK than in the US for a new game to get a chance to succeed.

Perhaps you could start a new thread on your game so we can give you some feedback. All the best!

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May 23rd, 2013 at 2:25:14 AM permalink

Hi Paradigm, it is a tougher road in the UK, as the market consolidates to really only 2 companies owning about 80% of the market its not going to get any easier.

I have posted a brief thread about the game as requested.

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June 24th, 2013 at 5:02:09 PM permalink

Someone at Vegas, Inc. does not like Galaxy Gaming too much:

wife-Galaxy-CEO

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June 24th, 2013 at 5:46:43 PM permalink

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wife-Galaxy-CEO

"The trust owes the majority of those debts � about $1.8 million � to Bank of America, which doled out a set of mortgages and a mortgage loan for property at 6980 O�Bannon Drive, the headquarters of Galaxy Gaming Inc., the filing says."

YET: "While the Saucier Business Trust collects rent from Galaxy Gaming Inc., Robert Saucier said neither he nor his company has had any occasion to associate with the trust."

Hmm. This story gets more interesting by the week.

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July 12th, 2013 at 12:14:40 AM permalink

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July 12th, 2013 at 2:42:43 AM permalink

Quote: Thermos
http://www.reviewjournal.com/business/casinos-gaming/california-gaming-regulators-say-no-galaxy-gaming-ceo

Are the allegedly saying Saucier is a Dodgy Geezer?

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July 12th, 2013 at 7:39:15 AM permalink

GLXZ dropped to $0.18 this morning. Hope Paigowdan is doing OK.

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July 12th, 2013 at 7:57:18 AM permalink

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GLXZ dropped to $0.18 this morning. Hope Paigowdan is doing OK.

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July 12th, 2013 at 10:08:47 AM permalink

Buy as much as you can afford at .18 a share !

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July 12th, 2013 at 11:30:45 AM permalink

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July 12th, 2013 at 12:14:12 PM permalink

CA Gaming says: The California Gambling Control Commission on Thursday unanimously upheld a judge�s ruling that deemed Galaxy Gaming California LLC, a subsidiary of Las Vegas-based Galaxy Gaming Inc., and CEO Robert Saucier unsuitable to do business in California.

Galaxy says: These proceedings do not directly involve GLXZ. Its status as a licensee in California is unchanged and remains in good standing, as it does in all other jurisdictions the Company operates. GLXZ will continue to provide its products and services without interruption.

HUH?

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July 12th, 2013 at 12:40:31 PM permalink

Quote: Zcore13
Buy as much as you can afford at .18 a share !

Too late - it's back up to .24 a share.

Quote: EvenBob
CA Gaming says: The California Gambling Control Commission on Thursday unanimously upheld a judge�s ruling that deemed Galaxy Gaming California LLC, a subsidiary of Las Vegas-based Galaxy Gaming Inc., and CEO Robert Saucier unsuitable to do business in California.

Galaxy says: These proceedings do not directly involve GLXZ. Its status as a licensee in California is unchanged and remains in good standing, as it does in all other jurisdictions the Company operates. GLXZ will continue to provide its products and services without interruption.

HUH?

Apparently, Galaxy is under the impression that the CGCC's ruling applies to "Galaxy Gaming California LLC" (symbol GGCA), which went out of business in 2009, and not "Galaxy Gaming LLC" (GLXZ), which Galaxy considers a separate entity. I have a feeling that if the ruling also applies to Saucier, then he'll "officially" step down as CEO, and then Galaxy will claim that the ruling does not apply to anyone in the company.

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July 12th, 2013 at 12:56:40 PM permalink

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Too late - it's back up to .24 a share.

ZCore's post may have influenced that bump...haha

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July 12th, 2013 at 1:02:35 PM permalink

Quote: ThatDonGuy
I have a feeling that if the ruling also applies to Saucier, then he'll "officially" step down as CEO, and then Galaxy will claim that the ruling does not apply to anyone in the company.

You can only play that game for so long. Gaming
will get their way, they always do. The big problem
for galaxy is if they're ever denied a license in any
state, they have to report it to every state they do
business in and explain why. There are way too many
shennigans going on for a company in the gaming
business. Like Saucier's wife filing bankruptcy last month.
This can't continue for long.

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July 12th, 2013 at 1:19:07 PM permalink

Stepping down is not too hard.

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July 12th, 2013 at 1:42:51 PM permalink

Quote: EvenBob
CA Gaming says: The California Gambling Control Commission on Thursday unanimously upheld a judge�s ruling that deemed Galaxy Gaming California LLC, a subsidiary of Las Vegas-based Galaxy Gaming Inc., and CEO Robert Saucier unsuitable to do business in California.

Galaxy says: These proceedings do not directly involve GLXZ. Its status as a licensee in California is unchanged and remains in good standing, as it does in all other jurisdictions the Company operates. GLXZ will continue to provide its products and services without interruption.

HUH?

If there are question marks over the CEO, not sure why, and there appear to be problem as posted by thermos, http://www.reviewjournal.com/business/casinos-gaming/california-gaming-regulators-say-no-galaxy-gaming-ceos,

Can't be long before he goes..

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July 12th, 2013 at 11:12:10 PM permalink

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July 16th, 2013 at 1:23:54 PM permalink

Uh oh. Nevada Gaming now says Galaxy must jump
thru all the hoops and get a gaming license, which
might be a problem if even half the stuff Calif says
about Galaxy is true.

http://www.gamingtoday.com/articles/article/42322-Regulators_call_for_Galaxy_Gaming_Inc_licensing

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July 16th, 2013 at 1:39:30 PM permalink

Sounds like the CEO might have to take one for the team...

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