7Stars- Live Rent free for 2 years
if both you and your partner are 7stars:
one person reserves a free room sun-weds
other person reserves a free room thurs-sat
rinse/repeat weekly at places with lots of CET properties like Vegas or AC.
just keep switching hotels.
if you both made 7stars in Jan, can't you keep doing this every week for 2 years?
no additional play needed?
and besides rent free for 2yrs, you also eat for free at the 7star lounges.
Quote: billryanI'm gold and get four nights a week at Harrahs Laughlin . I would pay the $10 resort fee. With a lipid work, between the Edgewater and Trip, I'm sure I could stay in town for free. I'm sure there are people who do, but living out of a suitcase gets old pretty fast.
You're describing offers. The difference here is that for 7stars, it's a right. You'd eventually get found out and kicked out if you weren't having real losses. I'm sure there's some god-clause that gives them the right to do whatever they want.
https://www.totalrewards.com/content/cet-tr/en/overview.html
(note, complimentary room is guaranteed for 7 stars within 48 hours)
Quote: WizardI find it doesn't make much to get free rooms at just the Diamond level. You don't need to wait for an offer. When I search for a room on their site they usually cost $0.
as ahiromu said, free rooms at Diamond is an offer, and not a right.
if you don't play, or if you win $, those free room offers dry up.
7 stars get 4 free nites a week as a 7star benefit.
Quote: WizardI find it doesn't make much to get free rooms at just the Diamond level. You don't need to wait for an offer. When I search for a room on their site they usually cost $0.
I just put this together. Sometimes it says there are no rooms available at the special rate, or for free, but you can click through for the best offer. Then the best offer is $0.00.
7 stars is different? A homeless broke lady* no longer putting up decent ADT could theoretically hang on to 7 star 'rights' for what period of time?
*gee, how did that happen?
I would assume at some point they would revoke your card but it would probably take at least 6 months of daily use and no play.
Quote: GWAESo say theoretically you did this. If someone made it to 7 stars, whay are the odds that said person can live in a casino and not gamble?
I would assume at some point they would revoke your card but it would probably take at least 6 months of daily use and no play.
it used to be that you can make 7stars by playing poker.
50tc per hr.
10hrs/day = 500tc + 125bonus = 625
150k/625 = 240 days
I know 2 people who did this playing $1/3 no limit.
heck, they sometimes did 20hr stints on weekends.
20hrs = 1k tc + 1k bonus = 2k tc
but CET has since changed it to 17tc per hr at the poker room.
Quote: odiousgambitIt's patently obvious in the typical situation that you are paying for the rooms and meals through your theoretical losses. You reach levels after the fact too, so typically it's compensation for what you, theoretically at least, already lost . I too have been over-comped in my day, so there's that, but is that likely to this degree?
7 stars is different? A homeless broke lady* no longer putting up decent ADT could theoretically hang on to 7 star 'rights' for what period of time?
*gee, how did that happen?
if you made 7stars playing poker, what's you're theoretical loss? the rake = $5 max.
also, you can make 7stars by playing Not So Ugly Ducks (99.73%) @ $10 coin-in per tc.
only $1350 theo loss.
2years rent free at CET hotels is worth ALOT more than that.
heck, 6months rent free is still worth way more than that
Quote: tringlomaneManagement reserves all rights.
Are you 'belittling' management? :-)
Quote: 100xOddsQuote: odiousgambitIt's patently obvious in the typical situation that you are paying for the rooms and meals through your theoretical losses. You reach levels after the fact too, so typically it's compensation for what you, theoretically at least, already lost . I too have been over-comped in my day, so there's that, but is that likely to this degree?
7 stars is different? A homeless broke lady* no longer putting up decent ADT could theoretically hang on to 7 star 'rights' for what period of time?
*gee, how did that happen?
if you made 7stars playing poker, what's you're theoretical loss? the rake = $5 max.
also, you can make 7stars by playing Not So Ugly Ducks (99.73%) @ $10 coin-in per tc.
only $1350 theo loss.
2years rent free at CET hotels is worth ALOT more than that.
heck, 6months rent free is still worth way more than that
I doubt they would let you stay in the same room, so you'd be moving every four days. Then you have the matter of what to do with your stuff while you stay there.
I read, a few years back, than casinos could not allow quests to stay longer than thirty days because they were licensed as hotels, not extended stay or residential hotels. I know that several years ago, I had an offer for three free nights a week from The Edgewater and I asked if I could pay the difference and stay for four weeks. It didnt happen.
Quote: 100xOddsalso, you can make 7stars by playing Not So Ugly Ducks (99.73%) @ $10 coin-in per tc.
only $1350 theo loss.
I'm sure $1000 coin in every few days should be satisfactory play to not consider kicking you out of the hotel. You could just vulture UX every morning to cover the $2.70 theoretical loss.
That's living the dream.
Quote: 100xOdds...<SNIP>...
...if you made 7stars playing poker, what's you're theoretical loss? the rake = $5 max.
About a hundred and six thousand dollars.
TC rates for poker (cash games) actually vary by game type in those on the Total Rewards system, but they get very few games at their properties that are over the 17 TC rate you mention. Cash game drop at poker tables averages around $100/hr (though it is highly variable, and that's on the very conservative side, and tends to be higher than average at Caesars with their higher rake). At $5 hand > 30 hands/hr it could surpass $150/hr, but in actuality it doesn't routinely do that, for a variety of reasons, except in spurts. Actual average number of active players per ten seat table runs about eight. About ten-twelve bucks an hour is what players are paying, on average, for poker. Tending more strongly towards twelve than ten, especially at the poker rooms operated by Caesars. At 17 TC/hr it comes to $105,888 for the requisite 150,000 TCs. (150,000/17 = 8,824hrs * $12) At a higher theoretical rate of 50 TC/hr (which you won't get) it would be "only" $36,000 or so.
Maybe 'living' in their crappy poorly maintained hotel properties is worth that to someone else. Maybe sounds heavenly to some, and I know of some. Though not to me; you'd need to pay me a helluva lot to live that dream/nightmare (depending on your point of view) for more than a few weeks. For just one example I do know of someone (who is a member of the forum here) who has a serious mental illness & developmental disability that (among many other things) makes him emotionally unable to stay in one place very long. This was a perfect way for him to pursue his sickness, along with online panhandling for 'stakes.' He basically did something very much like this for more than a year, living in casino hotels bouncing between Caesars properties and a couple of other casino companies. Until getting permanently banned from them due to his mental/emotional instability and repeated violent outbursts towards staff and legitimate guests of their properties, and murder/suicide threats whenever he didn't win as he feels entitled to. Along with the problem of him going busto, yet again, as he always has, since being a clever 'Advantage Player' and the world's most brilliant winning poker genius is actually rather expensive for him, eventually, as it has been for decades. He then (again) spent months sporadically outdoors & kinda sorta indoors, slept in unlocked closets and un-monitored workout rooms and rooftops and suchlike, until enough gullible saps and fans of sick entertainment collectively re-staked him enough to go on yet another run.
Livin' the dream. Good luck. I'll pass. Not much of a dreamer, TYVM.
$100/hr rake is for the entire table.
10players at a table so avg $10/hr rake per player.
10hrs/day to get 500tc + 125 bonus tc.
10hr x $10 = $100/day rake this person is generating.
240 10hr days to make 7stars.
240 x $100 = $24k in rake he's contributed, on avg.
yet, he says he makes $30k/yr at poker.
$30k / 2400hrs = $13/hr
so despite him paying $24k in rake, he's still up 5 figures in obtaining 7stars.
Best AP in getting 7stars that I've seen.
and as I said, it's no longer possible since they lowered poker to 17tc per hr
Yes. (Though on the low side.)Quote: 100xOdds$100/hr rake is for the entire table.
No. There are not. There are NOT usually 10 at a ten seat table. Actual reality is close to eight average, and that's generous. (See above.)Quote: 100xOdds10players at a table so avg $10/hr rake per player.
Perhaps. And perhaps the moon is made of green cheese. Perhaps my neighbor's cat can fly. But it is not wise to assume it is so. And 126% of poker players say they are part of the 3% making 857% of the money left on the table... and will usually believe it when they say it, too. Generally without the kind of rigorous record keeping necessary for them to actually have any clue what they really do. But that's not a reason for you or I to assume it is so, and shouldn't be considered relevant for this purpose. There are a number of other things... there were not daily TC bonuses applied in the years when 50 TCs/hr were the norm, and it is not a flat rate of 17 TCs/hr for all game types and stakes now... but, whatever. One will believe in what one wants to believe, if one really wants to believe. Good luck.Quote: 100xOddsyet, he says he makes ...<YADDA, YADDA, DING-DONG>....
Quote: DrawingDeadthere were not daily TC bonuses applied in the years when 50 TCs/hr were the norm, and it is not a flat rate of 17 TCs/hr for all game types and stakes now.
I've gotten the 125 tc bonus when it was 50tc per hr.
8hrs poker (400tc) + 100tc at video poker = 500tc.
don't know about different tc for different stakes.
the one I play is 17tc/hr when it was downgraded from 50tc.
Quote: 100xOddsI've gotten the 125 tc bonus when it was 50tc per hr.
8hrs poker (400tc) + 100tc at 9/6 JoB video poker (99.5%) = 500tc.
I did that fri, sat + sun. that's how I made Aspirations Lvl1,
And I got $25 promo chips + $10 free slot play per week.
don't know about different tc for different stakes.
the one I play is 17tc/hr when it was downgraded from 50tc.
and I no longer get any promo chips or free slot play because I stopped playing that much there.
Some whales do this. One lady spends $2m/year, so her casino has two rooms set aside permanently for her.Quote: DrawingDeadHe basically did something very much like this for more than a year, living in casino hotels bouncing between Caesars properties and a couple of other casino companies. Until getting permanently banned from them due to his mental/emotional instability and repeated violent outbursts towards staff and legitimate guests...
Low ADT players have difficultly staying long at Harrahs. Day 5 usually requires manager approval. When booking on-line, even if all nights look "free", when you try to book 5+ nights, only the first 4 nights will be free.
Casino's like to aim for 25-35% player reinvestment, so maybe good to have your ADT >= 3x casino-value of room (perhaps 50-75% of quoted room rate, it's what the hotel charges the marketing or slot department).
Discretionary comp rooms are sometimes billed at a higher rate than "mailer" comp rooms. And suites are often billed higher than regular rooms.
but is there much to do in AC besides gamble?
I would get cabin fever if I stayed in AC for 2yrs, even if rent free.
the problem i see with Joliet is that it's only 1 casino.
to keep under the radar that you're living rent free for 2 yrs by reserving a room every week sun-thurs, and your partner is reserving a room every tues-sat (or something like that), you need to switch hotels constantly.
so I guess Vegas is the optimal place to stay if doing this?
lots of stuff to do besides gambling, and lots of hotels to provide cover. also, relatively close to reno/lake Tahoe/Laughlin
Quote: mcallister3200If you've ever driven from vegas to Reno/tahoe, you will not say its "relatively close." 7+ hours of the most boring possible landscape, unless you take the slightly longer route through California. Closer to Caesars properties near Pheonix and San Diego than it is Reno.
It can't be as boring as driving on I-70 all the way through Kansas. Unless you like looking at corn.
Quote: IbeatyouracesIt can't be as boring as driving on I-70 all the way through Kansas. Unless you like looking at corn.
Gotta be comparable. Don't think I've driven through Kansas but when I drove from Minnesota to LV when moving there originally driving through rural Minnesota, Iowa, and Nebraska consecutively is pretty much corn, corn, cattle, corn, soybean field, more corn...
Quote: mcallister3200Gotta be comparable. Don't think I've driven through Kansas but when I drove from Minnesota to LV when moving there originally driving through rural Minnesota, Iowa, and Nebraska consecutively is pretty much corn, corn, cattle, corn, soybean field, more corn...
80 through Nebraska is just as bad
Quote: mamatLow ADT players have difficultly staying long at Harrahs. Day 5 usually requires manager approval. When booking on-line, even if all nights look "free", when you try to book 5+ nights, only the first 4 nights will be free.
Casino's like to aim for 25-35% player reinvestment, so maybe good to have your ADT >= 3x casino-value of room (perhaps 50-75% of quoted room rate, it's what the hotel charges the marketing or slot department).
So is CET a single entity as far as this goes, or do the individual casinos make these decisions separately?
In other words, could I say 4 nights at ceasars then 4 nights Bally's?
I've thought about this rent free idea before, and think it would be completely doable switching between a few hotels. I'd have to imagine it's easier in vegas due to the huge number of rooms available. AC would be harder, but there's still 5 different Casino entities, so it would look like 1 week long trip each month, which I don't think would raise any flags.
AC rooms can get really expensive in the summer though, so you'd need to have a lot of play split between each rewards program.
Quote: gamerfreakSo is CET a single entity as far as this goes, or do the individual casinos make these decisions separately?
In other words, could I say 4 nights at ceasars then 4 nights Bally's?
no.
the reservations system will say that it sees another reservation for a similar time frame and please call their customer support at 800-xxx-xxxx for further assistance.
altho I've never tried it for 2 different markets.
ie: Vegas and California or Arizona
Quote: RomesFWIW I've booked 2 reservations in Vegas with CET for the same time frame and got both of them. I've done this more than once. One time they did ask me about it and I just said their room was sh*t and I wanted to try their location instead and that seemed to be the answer they were looking for.
I got shot down this year for Vegas in Aug for 2 rooms.
reservations system says I can get 5days free at the lesser CET properties.
so booked 6 days at flamingo (costs $50 for the extra day) and tried to book 5days at Paris.
system said no on the 2nd reservation.
so I called. the csr said I cant book the 2nd room since I already have a reservation for the same time frame. :(
I didn't even mention flamingo when I called. the csr found my reservation.
im diamond.
I had to move every two or three days and did three trips to Laughlin. It was a pain in the ass..
Living out of a suitcase six.
If I didn't have my dog, I'd do it for a few months.
While I am pretty sure I don't want to live there, there are many worse places in the country.
Its not that bad. I love the fact there is no traffic and you can get in and out of the casinos fast. The Riverside alone actually has just about everything one would need.Quote: mcallister3200But then you have to spend time in Laughlin. Gross.
Laughlin has some good places to eat.
Since Vegas is to far away for the local girls to travel to all the time its really the only place around.
When there are some hot girls around I think you have a better chance there than in Vegas.
At least as far as slots and VP goes, there was always far less heat in Laughlin than in Vegas.
Quote: AxelWolf
Since Vegas is to far away for the local girls to travel to all the time its really the only place around.
When there are some hot girls around I think you have a better chance there than in Vegas.
Thats because Laughlin hot is like office hot or nuclear submarine hot. "There's no ass like Bullhead City ass" said no one evr.
Quote: WizardA bit off topic but Nevada has a law that you can't "live" in a hotel room. The way they enforce it is that the maximum stay in a single property is 30 days. I knew a guy who lived in the Suncoast for about a year but every 30 days they tossed him out for 24 hours, so he just got a room somewhere else for a night, and came right back.
I'd like to hear more about this. Free daily housekeeping, linens, towels, toiletries, internet, cable tv, for a year is worth a big offset to the cost of the room, but why would someone choose to live there for a year versus leasing a condo?
I actually tried to book a whole month at The Edgewater one year when they sent a card saying I had unlimited free rooms but the small print said seven days, with three in between.
Between Laughlin and Bull head, there are several good places to eat and socialize., and those cocktail servers and employees have to party somewhere.
A significant downside are the ridiculous liquor laws in Arizona.
Quote: AyecarumbaI'd like to hear more about this. Free daily housekeeping, linens, towels, toiletries, internet, cable tv, for a year is worth a big offset to the cost of the room, but why would someone choose to live there for a year versus leasing a condo?
I'm assuming it was comped and didn't cost anything.
You need furniture, utensils, cable,utilities,food, etc,etc,etc.
Quote: WizardA bit off topic but Nevada has a law that you can't "live" in a hotel room. The way they enforce it is that the maximum stay in a single property is 30 days. I knew a guy who lived in the Suncoast for about a year but every 30 days they tossed him out for 24 hours, so he just got a room somewhere else for a night, and came right back.
That's actually not an unusual law, Ohio has the exact same law with exception to rooms that are licensed as, 'Extended Stay.' The key is just to check the guest out after thirty days, toss a fake name in the computer for one night, then put the guest back in the next day.
The Ohio State Fire Marshal is the only truly concerned entity, so you have to, 'Coach,' the guest just in case there is an inspection and the fire marshal talks to him. That's easy enough. The long-term guests do not want to move elsewhere for a day anymore than you want them to have to move for one night.
Quote: Ayecarumba..., but why would someone choose to live there for a year versus leasing a condo?
I think the person in question had a job in construction or something and was told it was a day to day thing with no promises of long-term employment. However, the work kept coming and I think he enjoyed living at the Suncoast. He got to know a lot of the staff and felt very welcomed there.
Quote: Mission146That's actually not an unusual law, Ohio has the exact same law with exception to rooms that are licensed as, 'Extended Stay.' The key is just to check the guest out after thirty days, toss a fake name in the computer for one night, then put the guest back in the next day.
The Ohio State Fire Marshal is the only truly concerned entity, so you have to, 'Coach,' the guest just in case there is an inspection and the fire marshal talks to him. That's easy enough. The long-term guests do not want to move elsewhere for a day anymore than you want them to have to move for one night.
This makes me wonder who is benefiting from the 30-day maximum stay rule? Seems to me if the guest and hotel are happy, why is the government saying "no"?
The hotel can say get out and you have to go. You might get one days rent returned.
In an apartment, the management may have to give 30 days notice and possibly a court ordered eviction if you refuse to leave. By staying more than a month, a month-to-month lease type agreement may be established.
Quote: WizardThis makes me wonder who is benefiting from the 30-day maximum stay rule? Seems to me if the guest and hotel are happy, why is the government saying "no"?
It's because occupancy taxes can generally only apply for 30 days or less. (which then get tied up into other legal considerations such as how the income gets reported for taxes).
