75 Tier Credits generates a $10 free slot play offer
Quote: 100xOdds
hopefully 2 months from now I get a $3k freeplay offer!
Keep in mind that Rincon does not give its freeplay in one lump sum. Chances are it was broken down to semi-weekly offers with one large "bounce back" offer based on previous play.
If I were to add up my free play offers, in a month they might be $1200 or $1500 but I'd have to be there every day during the month to get it all. In reality, I can only use about $200-$250 of free play in any one day, and then would have to wait a day or two before I could use other free play.
Quote: AlanMendelsonKeep in mind that Rincon does not give its freeplay in one lump sum. Chances are it was broken down to semi-weekly offers with one large "bounce back" offer based on previous play.
If I were to add up my free play offers, in a month they might be $1200 or $1500 but I'd have to be there every day during the month to get it all. In reality, I can only use about $200-$250 of free play in any one day, and then would have to wait a day or two before I could use other free play.
ahh.. even more reason I doubt i'll be getting big offers.
already got the bounceback for my $50k coin-in DiaD run. it wasn't much.
since then it's back to $10 bounceback for 75TC.
hopefully my weekly offers improve next month or next quarter. (whenever they incorporate my $50k coin-in into their monthly promo system.)
Quote: Dieterpoorly photocopied memo, including tier levels.
In case people were interested in the memo I got... (I cropped out some of the irrelevant stuff, and I'm assuming that we all now know and understand the difference between total theo and ADT.)
Note that this is not CET. This is the badly copied memo that I finally bothered to scan.
I feel exactly not at all bad about posting this, since they are claiming that they're about to overhaul their rewards program.
Quote: memoThe offers are determined by the Total Theoretical Win or the Average Daily Theoretical Win, whichever warrants the best offer.
So, at least this chain "does it right" and rewards both grinders and big players comparably (for now).
(edit: 1 point = $10 coin-in)
Quote: 100xOddsanyone know how many tier credits to get to the next level of free play?
well, 100tc got me the same $10 bounceback.
but 150tc got me $20 bouneback, but I lost $200 that day on a 98% machine.
I think losing $200 generated the additional $10 rather then the extra 75tc.
I probably would have gotten the same $20 if I earned 100tc and lost $200?
Quote: 100xOddswell, 100tc got me the same $10 bounceback.
but 150tc got me $20 bouneback, but I lost $200 that day on a 98% machine.
I think losing $200 generated the additional $10 rather then the extra 75tc.
I probably would have gotten the same $20 if I earned 100tc and lost $200?
Almost certainly not. They don't care what your wins or losses are. If you had won $200 would your free-play have been reduced to $5?
No, actually, you gave them more rated play (read: time) to earn the extra points and your comps went up because of that.
While a casino may look at losses as a contributing factor in comps, we aren't talking about $200 which to them is chump change. I've seen a loss of minimum, $4K before comps are seriously affected one way or another although every casino has different thresholds.
Quote: DieterIn case people were interested in the memo I got... (I cropped out some of the irrelevant stuff, and I'm assuming that we all now know and understand the difference between total theo and ADT.)
Note that this is not CET. This is the badly copied memo that I finally bothered to scan.
I feel exactly not at all bad about posting this, since they are claiming that they're about to overhaul their rewards program.
So, at least this chain "does it right" and rewards both grinders and big players comparably (for now).
(edit: 1 point = $10 coin-in)
Yecchh! Those are horrible offers. No wonder they reward the grinders as well as the heavy hitters.
Quote: darkozAlmost certainly not. They don't care what your wins or losses are. If you had won $200 would your free-play have been reduced to $5?
No, actually, you gave them more rated play (read: time) to earn the extra points and your comps went up because of that.
While a casino may look at losses as a contributing factor in comps, we aren't talking about $200 which to them is chump change. I've seen a loss of minimum, $4K before comps are seriously affected one way or another although every casino has different thresholds.
thx!
so 75tc = $10freeplay
150tc = $20fp
but it doesn't scale.
5000tc (single day) = $200fp :( but I was up a few hundred.
(yes, Diamond in a Day)
guess I'm going to try 225tc then 500tc to see what offers I get.
if I'm going to play 300tc then I might as well go for 500tc and the 125tc bonus.
Quote: darkozYecchh! Those are horrible offers. No wonder they reward the grinders as well as the heavy hitters.
They sure are.... but it's a string of locals places out in the hinterlands.
And, once you get to T1 at a property, it seems to take almost no maintenance to stay there*. $5k a year per property just for showing up every week to see my friends... plus at least a crab leg dinner a week, and the occasional hotel stay... well, I'd like more, but I'll take it.
*Your mileage may vary. Consult your play advisor. Not meant to diagnose, treat, or cure any disease.
Quote: 100xOddsthx!
so 75tc = $10freeplay
150tc = $20fp
but it doesn't scale.
5000tc (single day) = $200fp :( but I was up a few hundred.
(yes, Diamond in a Day)
guess I'm going to try 225tc then 500tc to see what offers I get.
if I'm going to play 300tc then I might as well go for 500tc and the 125tc bonus.
You're correct it doesn't scale. Which is what I was referring to earlier in this thread (I think its this one.)
There are caps on comps and the higher you go the less return for your investment you will get.
Also, there are other mitigating factors which are invisible. You may not get the desired results and blame the wrong factors. Every casino uses them but they use them differently. And to make it more complicated, casinos will sometime, (even quite often) change some of those factors just to shake things up for people who are trying to decipher them or because they think they are improving their system.
Let me know what happens when you start gambling for higher tc.
Quote: darkozYou're correct it doesn't scale. Which is what I was referring to earlier in this thread (I think its this one.)
There are caps on comps and the higher you go the less return for your investment you will get.
not in this thread.
edit:
found it. :)
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gaming-business/caesars/20676-new-total-rewards-bonus/7/#post431836
"And every casino I've played at has a cap on their comps that are automatic generated.
For example, Golden Nugget, is $425 per day, Tropicana AC is $350 per day, Borgata is $125 per day, etc"
so I guess at my CET, the cap is $200 since that's what I got for doing 5000tc in a day?
if 75tc = $10fp, then 1500tc would cap me at $200 if it scales linearly.
so going to try 525tc, then 1050tc, then 1500tc.
i should get $70fp/125tc bonus, $140fp/1000tc bonus, and 200fp/1125tc bonus, respectively.
and if it scales linearly then 1050tc seems the optimum.
if im going to do 1500tc, then I might as well do 2500tc to get the 5000tc bonus.
Quote: darkozLet me know what happens when you start gambling for higher tc.
interesting results:
75tc = $10fp
150tc = $20fp (but I lost $200)
300tc = $10fp (but I won $500)
so it looks like they take wins/loses into account.
"The more Tier Credits you earn, the bigger your Return Reward will be."
what a load of crap!
Quote: 100xOddsinteresting results:
75tc = $10fp
150tc = $20fp (but I lost $200)
300tc = $10fp (but I won $500)
so it looks like they take wins/loses into account.
"The more Tier Credits you earn, the bigger your Return Reward will be."
what a load of crap!
Yep, I noticed the same thing. I figured it would be based on the THEO, but for my specific recent results, it is all over the place. The other thing could be that they decided they were giving too much back on the EV. For Slots, that would be a non-issue. But for a lower House Advantage VP game, it could alter the % of HE.
got $30fp.
seems like u get back 10% of what u lost, with a $10 minimum?
(see my previous post above when I lost $200.)
if so, then I'm lost why I got $200fp when I earned 5000tc in a day because I won a couple of hundred doing the Diamond in a Day.
Quote: 100xOdds150 tc but lost $350.
got $30fp.
seems like u get back 10% of what u lost, with a $10 minimum?
(see my previous post above when I lost $200.)
if so, then I'm lost why I got $200fp when I earned 5000tc in a day because I won a couple of hundred doing the Diamond in a Day.
Because that's not how it works.
From the play you've done, you've got the correct offers.
Now I'm not saying they are fair offers but they are correct for how they run their system
