New B Connected (Boyd) program
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August 27th, 2018 at 7:08:09 AM
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Boyd has revamped their points program. See attached for a program overview. Haven't had a lot of time to digest, but I get the feeling it mimics the CET program closer.
https://www.bconnectedonline.com/program-overview
https://www.bconnectedonline.com/program-overview
August 27th, 2018 at 7:20:12 AM
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A whole lot of Balloo and no Holla
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
August 27th, 2018 at 7:27:35 AM
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So from a quick scan, I will move from solidly in the middle tier ( of their three tiers) to the fourth tier of five (and maybe barely).
I see the addition of cruises and airfare in the higher tiers, also mentions of lounges, but it doesn't say where or when that will happen.
The big downside is that free rooms appear to be limited to once quarterly, instead of monthly, like I get now.
I see the addition of cruises and airfare in the higher tiers, also mentions of lounges, but it doesn't say where or when that will happen.
The big downside is that free rooms appear to be limited to once quarterly, instead of monthly, like I get now.
August 27th, 2018 at 10:47:52 AM
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I logged in today to see that I have zero tier credits now for 2018. Where did my 23000 go? Hmmm
August 27th, 2018 at 11:18:37 AM
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Quote: GeoducknCrabI logged in today to see that I have zero tier credits now for 2018. Where did my 23000 go? Hmmm
Yep. Mine too
1500 points wiped away
Nice ploy. Change system for better. Profit from everyones points being wiped clean half way thru the year
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
August 27th, 2018 at 11:25:21 AM
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I also have 0 tier credits, but haven't gambled at a Boyd property in 2018, so it is what I expected. Perhaps it's a glitch in rolling out the new program. I'd give it a week.
August 27th, 2018 at 11:33:59 AM
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Quote: GeoducknCrabI logged in today to see that I have zero tier credits now for 2018. Where did my 23000 go? Hmmm
Yes. Hmmm, indeed! When I try to log into the Boyd casino in Biloxi (IP Casino), it tells me "Application error. Try again later." I think that's tech-talk for, "It's taking longer to zero out player credits than originally planned."
August 27th, 2018 at 12:50:46 PM
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I have 99,839 "B-Connected Points" (spendable comps) that I didn't have before. For no reason whatsoever that I can discern. Perhaps they came from the likes of LuckyDarkActuary & PhowOzRs. So, clearly this is an excellent new system. Superb job; great work guys, well done!
And I continue to have my expected zero "Tier Credit" (NOT comp "points") total, since I almost never do anything that involves betting against Mr. Boyd & Co, and I understand that humping machines was the sole Tier Credit rated activity before. But the difference I see now that would potentially matter to me and others I know is that I see the new program description says "Table Games" including live cash game poker room play and Race & Sports wagering will now count for Tier Credits in the system. At Boyd/B-Connected system properties they were always invisible for Tier purposes before. But I haven't found an indication of the Tier Credit (NOT talking about the comp points) rate for these.
G'luck & keep chucking those cash comps to the account of DDead.
And I continue to have my expected zero "Tier Credit" (NOT comp "points") total, since I almost never do anything that involves betting against Mr. Boyd & Co, and I understand that humping machines was the sole Tier Credit rated activity before. But the difference I see now that would potentially matter to me and others I know is that I see the new program description says "Table Games" including live cash game poker room play and Race & Sports wagering will now count for Tier Credits in the system. At Boyd/B-Connected system properties they were always invisible for Tier purposes before. But I haven't found an indication of the Tier Credit (NOT talking about the comp points) rate for these.
G'luck & keep chucking those cash comps to the account of DDead.
Suck dope, watch TV, make up stuff, be somebody on the internet.
August 27th, 2018 at 1:50:07 PM
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Main Street Station just announced this afternoon double tier points today through the end of September. Since I'm heading there on Thursday, good for me! Onyx here I come!
August 27th, 2018 at 6:39:17 PM
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Quote:Once you have achieved Sapphire status you will start earning B Connected Points for your play.
Never heard of that one before. Seems like a very tacky way to get an extra $1.25 out of every customer every year
August 27th, 2018 at 8:31:03 PM
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Oh nice I am now Onyx, and I can slam
"Man Babes" #AxelFabulous
August 27th, 2018 at 9:06:17 PM
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Quote: rsactuaryMain Street Station just announced this afternoon double tier points today through the end of September. Since I'm heading there on Thursday, good for me! Onyx here I come!
Considering VP tier credits will be "theo based" now, don't hold your breath!
My tier score moved to a big fat zero (for now). They really bungled the conversion.
August 27th, 2018 at 10:33:31 PM
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Do they actually pay people to design this stuff? Gee, I want a job like that. I want to get paid big money to fix something that wasn't broken.
'Emergencies' have always been the pretext on which the safeguards of individual liberty have been eroded.
August 28th, 2018 at 1:50:57 AM
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Quote: bobbartopDo they actually pay people to design this stuff? Gee, I want a job like that. I want to get paid big money to fix something that wasn't broken.
To get a job like that you have to Bconnected
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
August 28th, 2018 at 8:33:31 AM
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I will go figure it out later today.
August 28th, 2018 at 9:27:02 AM
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There is a message on my account that now says:
Due to high system traffic associated with the launch of our all-new B Connected, your current card status is in the process of being updated and may take up to 48 hours to display your new tier credit balance, card level, and expiration date.
So .. that's BS.. but it's clear they know that what is showing is incorrect.
Due to high system traffic associated with the launch of our all-new B Connected, your current card status is in the process of being updated and may take up to 48 hours to display your new tier credit balance, card level, and expiration date.
So .. that's BS.. but it's clear they know that what is showing is incorrect.
August 29th, 2018 at 7:06:14 PM
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Got my card in the mail. It's sort of the direction I would go if I were running a casino: more hard-comps to slot players and less to everyone else; but more soft-comps to anyone who walks through the door. The problem is it lacks all transparency. Gold Coast is advertising a free buffet for 20 Tier Credits. I can see someone at the players club telling me I can earn 1 tier credit for every $5, and then not getting a buffet after $100 (similar to trying to get parking validated downtown). I've got occasional $25 comps when I've been given completely wrong or conflicting information (both in person and online). I may have to try that strategy knowing it's going to be a complete mess the first month.
September 2nd, 2018 at 8:48:21 PM
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Just returned from my weekend at MSS. Down a slight bit.. nothing earth shattering, but the new program is horrible. I ran $20K through the machines and barely made it into the second tier (sapphire), which apparently gets me one free stay a year, down from the monthly stays I have been offered for 20 years.
September 2nd, 2018 at 9:26:31 PM
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On Friday I played a slot machine and ran through $115 and got my 23 tier credits. Foolishly didn't swipe for 2x tier credits until after. Talked to Carol at the players club and she incorrectly told me that video poker would give one tier credit for every $10. Went and played $95 on video poker, which *should* have been another 18 tier credits, according to Carol. But I only earned two tier credits. Supervisor then told me it was based on denomination, and time on machine, and that every machine was different. When I asked how I would be able to determine a more specific formula -- so that I would know what to expect before giving them my money -- she said she hoped to have more information in three days. I'll be back tomorrow acting even more autistic, asking for someone to explain specific details about how tier credits are earned on video poker machines.
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From what I can tell, they're trying to be able to stop giving anything to video poker players (especially low level) without cutting back on what they give the heavier slot players (and even more to the biggest players). I understand that completely. The lack of transparency is bullshit, especially when the people working at the player's club understand it less than I do after spending five minutes skimming through the details. But I don't think it will hurt them. Most people don't understand how to take advantage of things when it is completely transparent, so they aren't going to notice all this BS. As a bottom feeder I don't like the changes, but I'm still going to hack it.
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From what I can tell, they're trying to be able to stop giving anything to video poker players (especially low level) without cutting back on what they give the heavier slot players (and even more to the biggest players). I understand that completely. The lack of transparency is bullshit, especially when the people working at the player's club understand it less than I do after spending five minutes skimming through the details. But I don't think it will hurt them. Most people don't understand how to take advantage of things when it is completely transparent, so they aren't going to notice all this BS. As a bottom feeder I don't like the changes, but I'm still going to hack it.
September 3rd, 2018 at 12:38:08 AM
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It all sounds confusing to me and I do this for a living
I'm gonna wait a while and see what is really going on. Bconnected before the change offered great comp value with 40% off if you use points at their restaurants.
I'm gonna wait a while and see what is really going on. Bconnected before the change offered great comp value with 40% off if you use points at their restaurants.
"Man Babes" #AxelFabulous
September 3rd, 2018 at 1:22:46 AM
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I think they have 11 x points unlimited on reels, AND VP today. Drawings with unlimited entries as well.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
September 3rd, 2018 at 3:20:11 AM
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Quote: AxelWolfI think they have 11 x points unlimited on reels, AND VP today. Drawings with unlimited entries as well.
So u can buy 11 sandwiches instead of just one?
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
September 3rd, 2018 at 7:43:32 AM
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Quote: djatcIt all sounds confusing to me and I do this for a living
I'm gonna wait a while and see what is really going on. Bconnected before the change offered great comp value with 40% off if you use points at their restaurants.
That is still listed as a benefit across all tiers, but no percentage is listed. However, if you're ruby, you aren't earning points playing, so that won't last long.
September 3rd, 2018 at 10:41:25 AM
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Unforaunly for you they don't comp bus passes. (-;Quote: darkozSo u can buy 11 sandwiches instead of just one?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
September 3rd, 2018 at 11:32:54 AM
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Quote: AxelWolfUnforaunly for you they don't comp bus passes. (-;
Very fortunately
That bus ride from NYC to Mississippi is brutal
For Whom the bus tolls; The bus tolls for thee
September 3rd, 2018 at 12:47:02 PM
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Recently added at Main Street Station: a resort fee of $16.74 per night. UGH.
I didn't even get a copy of my bill to see if I paid that or not. Room was comped, so hoping that was not the case.
You must now pay for parking unless you are a hotel guest or are Emerald or higher.
Edited to add: I looked at my December comp and it appears that resort fees do not have to be paid for comped rooms.
I didn't even get a copy of my bill to see if I paid that or not. Room was comped, so hoping that was not the case.
You must now pay for parking unless you are a hotel guest or are Emerald or higher.
Edited to add: I looked at my December comp and it appears that resort fees do not have to be paid for comped rooms.
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September 3rd, 2018 at 3:21:43 PM
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anyone know how many coin in on 99%+ VP gives you in points, not tier credits?
"Man Babes" #AxelFabulous
September 3rd, 2018 at 5:00:00 PM
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Quote: djatcanyone know how many coin in on 99%+ VP gives you in points, not tier credits?
$2 coin-in per BConnected point.
For VP, tier credits roughly go like this.
Coin-in for one tier credit = $5 x 10% / theoretical house edge. So 9/6 JoB will require about $108.70 per tier credit. Or to make Emerald exclusively on that game, $1.63 million coin-in for the calendar year.
There is also a report that Gold Coast turned the Emerald Lounge into a Titanium Lounge. That's laughable.
September 4th, 2018 at 6:19:49 AM
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Oh....
Maybe this is for a different thread, but will post here anyways...
The downtown Boyd casinos (MSS, Cal, Fremont) have removed the multi-hand kicker games from their All Star Poker II machines for Super Times Pay and Double Super times pay... except for three hand Bonus Poker and JoB at the quarter level... and just Bonus Poker at the 10c level. A full array is available at the nickel level.
My guess is someone must have hit a monster and they decided they didn't like the variance.
Maybe this is for a different thread, but will post here anyways...
The downtown Boyd casinos (MSS, Cal, Fremont) have removed the multi-hand kicker games from their All Star Poker II machines for Super Times Pay and Double Super times pay... except for three hand Bonus Poker and JoB at the quarter level... and just Bonus Poker at the 10c level. A full array is available at the nickel level.
My guess is someone must have hit a monster and they decided they didn't like the variance.
September 4th, 2018 at 7:40:28 AM
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If you want good comps, Stations are the place to be. Very, very generous.
September 4th, 2018 at 10:33:12 AM
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Quote: speedycrapIf you want good comps, Stations are the place to be. Very, very generous.
Sure. Compared to Boyd.
September 14th, 2018 at 3:38:26 PM
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I'm not in town but I am interested in this crazy new program Boyd has. I called a friend recently who is in Vegas and asked him to run $200 coin-in on a 7-5 Bonus Poker progressive just to see what kind of tier credits he would get. He's Ruby. I just figured out that you get NO b-connected points at Ruby. I know I read that before but I forgot, there's so much to figure out. I'm astonished.
Anyway, for his action, he got 8 tier credits, total. I was guessing he would get more than that on a game like 7-5 Bonus. Then I got to thinking, I guess he actually got 2X for the Ruby promo, so that 8 tier credit total would be 4 under normal circumstances. That sucks.
Boyd, some real rocket scientists. And to the new player, "Welcome to Boyd, you are Ruby, and you get nothing." omg, what idiots.
And what are the benefits to working up to Sapphire and Emerald, besides qualifying to earn b-connected points? Doesn't appear to be very much.
Anyway, for his action, he got 8 tier credits, total. I was guessing he would get more than that on a game like 7-5 Bonus. Then I got to thinking, I guess he actually got 2X for the Ruby promo, so that 8 tier credit total would be 4 under normal circumstances. That sucks.
Boyd, some real rocket scientists. And to the new player, "Welcome to Boyd, you are Ruby, and you get nothing." omg, what idiots.
And what are the benefits to working up to Sapphire and Emerald, besides qualifying to earn b-connected points? Doesn't appear to be very much.
'Emergencies' have always been the pretext on which the safeguards of individual liberty have been eroded.
September 14th, 2018 at 4:10:02 PM
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Quote: rsactuaryOh....
Maybe this is for a different thread, but will post here anyways...
The downtown Boyd casinos (MSS, Cal, Fremont) have removed the multi-hand kicker games from their All Star Poker II machines for Super Times Pay and Double Super times pay... except for three hand Bonus Poker and JoB at the quarter level... and just Bonus Poker at the 10c level. A full array is available at the nickel level.
My guess is someone must have hit a monster and they decided they didn't like the variance.
Did they "fix" the Bonus paytable too? It was good...
Stupid that they get rid of the most popular game variant of all time. CET Tunica is also dumb like that on their All Star IIs. No DDB, and it's been that way since they were ordered 5 years ago.
September 14th, 2018 at 6:48:22 PM
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Quote: tringlomaneDid they "fix" the Bonus paytable too? It was good...
Stupid that they get rid of the most popular game variant of all time. CET Tunica is also dumb like that on their All Star IIs. No DDB, and it's been that way since they were ordered 5 years ago.
I didn't look at the bonus paytable at all, so I don't know. but they dropped the TDB paytable by a coin on the straight about two years ago.
September 14th, 2018 at 8:25:21 PM
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Quote: bobbartopIBoyd, some real rocket scientists. And to the new player, "Welcome to Boyd, you are Ruby, and you get nothing." omg, what idiots.
As much as I hate the system, because it's harder for me to earn profits, it's very close to how I would run a player's club. No reason to give anything to the people who play very small amounts or the guys losing 1% or less on video poker (and no reason to ever give them a chance make winning bets). Instead use all available resources on the people losing 10% on a high volume of action.
I would just make it simple enough so that the people who worked at the player's club understood the system, instead of having them just make up stupid shit whenever a customer asks a question
My estimate is that playing a slow basic strategy blackjack game earns tier credits for as little as 1/10th the cost of most video poker
September 14th, 2018 at 8:51:33 PM
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At "my" casino, I just want as many people under the roof as the place will hold. If some of them win a little or don't lose much, they can be my unpaid shills. I want the place packed. I'd do whatever I could to attract people to the floor and make their experience enjoyable, which includes a simple and attractive slot club. The more the merrier.
'Emergencies' have always been the pretext on which the safeguards of individual liberty have been eroded.
September 14th, 2018 at 9:27:00 PM
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That’s how Cosmopolitan does it. Makes sense that The Orleans would have to try something different.
September 14th, 2018 at 10:07:07 PM
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Quote: rsactuaryI didn't look at the bonus paytable at all, so I don't know. but they dropped the TDB paytable by a coin on the straight about two years ago.
What? I've never seen TDB where the straight pays 3-for-1. Are you sure it was TDB and not the other game (I think it's called Triple Double Bonus Plus....where straight pays 3-for-1 and the 2/3/4's with ace pay 4000 instead of 2000)?
September 14th, 2018 at 11:36:24 PM
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Quote: RSWhat? I've never seen TDB where the straight pays 3-for-1. Are you sure it was TDB and not the other game (I think it's called Triple Double Bonus Plus....where straight pays 3-for-1 and the 2/3/4's with ace pay 4000 instead of 2000)?
Like Triple Triple Bonus, at Twin Arrows in Flagstaff?
'Emergencies' have always been the pretext on which the safeguards of individual liberty have been eroded.
September 15th, 2018 at 6:02:10 AM
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Quote: RSWhat? I've never seen TDB where the straight pays 3-for-1. Are you sure it was TDB and not the other game (I think it's called Triple Double Bonus Plus....where straight pays 3-for-1 and the 2/3/4's with ace pay 4000 instead of 2000)?
I'm sorry.. I mispoke... I meant the dropped flush by a coin. so sorry.
September 15th, 2018 at 6:06:58 AM
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Quote: bobbartopAt "my" casino, I just want as many people under the roof as the place will hold. If some of them win a little or don't lose much, they can be my unpaid shills. I want the place packed. I'd do whatever I could to attract people to the floor and make their experience enjoyable, which includes a simple and attractive slot club. The more the merrier.
I agree. "Your" casino, with full tables, will almost certainly generate more dealer tips. Happy dealers are good for everyone.
September 15th, 2018 at 9:32:02 AM
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This is from last December, and until I saw this thread I was hoping to be able to generate some Vegas comps and points back here in the mid-west:
"We are also pleased that Boyd Gaming will be acquiring our Ameristar properties in St. Charles and Kansas City, along with Belterra Casino Resort and Belterra Park. We look forward to working closely with Penn National and Boyd to seamlessly transition the Pinnacle businesses to their respective new owners.”
source:
https://www.paulickreport.com/news/the-biz/penn-national-gaming-acquire-pinnacle-entertainment/
"We are also pleased that Boyd Gaming will be acquiring our Ameristar properties in St. Charles and Kansas City, along with Belterra Casino Resort and Belterra Park. We look forward to working closely with Penn National and Boyd to seamlessly transition the Pinnacle businesses to their respective new owners.”
source:
https://www.paulickreport.com/news/the-biz/penn-national-gaming-acquire-pinnacle-entertainment/
There's emptiness behind their eyes
There's dust in all their hearts
They just want to steal us all and take us all apart
September 15th, 2018 at 11:39:44 AM
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This looks like a mess; I haven't stepped foot in a Boyd in two years and I'm evidently a Sapphire with 500 tier credits and 10k BConnected points?
And just for fun, I hit the Update Points button on the site. Every time I hit it, my points dropped by ~100. Then I refreshed the page, it went back to what it was before, and it stopped doing that.
And just for fun, I hit the Update Points button on the site. Every time I hit it, my points dropped by ~100. Then I refreshed the page, it went back to what it was before, and it stopped doing that.
September 20th, 2018 at 7:04:04 AM
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This is the 1st "formula" I have seen anywhere that addresses the new tier credit for VP. Did someone at Boyd give this to you or did you calculate somehow yourself. The blogs are full of posters trying to get this info. Thanks for posting. Da, forgot to include quote I was alluding to----that would be from Tringlomane earlier in this thread. Sorry.
