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July 3rd, 2024 at 2:56:14 PM permalink
Wild! Wild! Wild! is a new video poker variant I noticed at VideoPoker.com. I think a Gold level membership, which I have, is required to play this one.

The gist is pretty simple. Randomly, the game will add one to three wild cards to the standard deck. For example, in the most liberal version of Jacks or Better, the wild card probabilities are:

0 = 40%
1 = 19%
2 = 21%
3 = 20%

The player must pay 10 credits per play to invoke the feature. Wins with the feature are based on a 5 credit bet.

Here is an example.



Here I'm playing 5-play Jacks or Better. The game tells me the deck includes 3 wild cards. You can see I'm dealt one of them.



I hold the wild card and two nines.



Two of the five hands improve to a four of a kind, with the help of the other two wild cards in the deck.

Action Gaming, who made the game, were kind enough to share their math with me. Bottom line is a light increase in RTP if you pay for the feature, as usual.

The question for the poll is would you play Wild! Wild! Wild!? Multiple votes allowed.
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July 3rd, 2024 at 3:13:07 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Wild! Wild! Wild! is a new video poker variant I noticed at VideoPoker.com. I think a Gold level membership, which I have, is required to play this one.

The gist is pretty simple. Randomly, the game will add one to three wild cards to the standard deck. For example, in the most liberal version of Jacks or Better, the wild card probabilities are:

0 = 40%
1 = 19%
2 = 21%
3 = 20%

The player must pay 10 credits per play to invoke the feature. Wins with the feature are based on a 5 credit bet.

Here is an example.



Here I'm playing 5-play Jacks or Better. The game tells me the deck includes 3 wild cards. You can see I'm dealt one of them.



I hold the wild card and two nines.



Two of the five hands improve to a four of a kind, with the help of the other two wild cards in the deck.

Action Gaming, who made the game, were kind enough to share their math with me. Bottom line is a light increase in RTP if you pay for the feature, as usual.

The question for the poll is would you play Wild! Wild! Wild!? Multiple votes allowed.
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Thank you!!

What is the Royal frequency with that feature?
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July 3rd, 2024 at 3:34:19 PM permalink
I would play the version of Wild! Wild! Wild! with three jokers for 10 coins. I don't want to play the standard 52-card game at this price.

I think you are going to tell me I don't get to pick which one I get to play.
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July 3rd, 2024 at 6:55:21 PM permalink
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What is the Royal frequency with that feature?
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Here is a return table for 9/6 Jacks. Note they throw in some extra pays if you pay for the feature.

Event Pays Probability Return
Royal Flush 800 0.000352 0.140855
Five Aces 800 0.000034 0.013667
Five 2's, 3's, 4's 320 0.000070 0.011251
Five 5's Through K's 100 0.000226 0.011322
Straight Flush 50 0.000675 0.016879
Four of a Kind 30 0.013275 0.199131
Full House 11 0.015604 0.085820
Flush 6 0.012534 0.037602
Straight 5 0.019551 0.048877
Three of a Kind 3 0.139441 0.209161
Two Pair 2 0.109347 0.109347
Jacks or Better 1 0.224697 0.112349
Trash 0 0.464193 0.000000
Total 1.000000 0.996262


So the royal probability is 1 in 2839.8.
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July 3rd, 2024 at 8:01:55 PM permalink
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Quote: DRich


What is the Royal frequency with that feature?
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Here is a return table for 9/6 Jacks. Note they throw in some extra pays if you pay for the feature.

Event Pays Probability Return
Royal Flush 800 0.000352 0.140855
Five Aces 800 0.000034 0.013667
Five 2's, 3's, 4's 320 0.000070 0.011251
Five 5's Through K's 100 0.000226 0.011322
Straight Flush 50 0.000675 0.016879
Four of a Kind 30 0.013275 0.199131
Full House 11 0.015604 0.085820
Flush 6 0.012534 0.037602
Straight 5 0.019551 0.048877
Three of a Kind 3 0.139441 0.209161
Two Pair 2 0.109347 0.109347
Jacks or Better 1 0.224697 0.112349
Trash 0 0.464193 0.000000
Total 1.000000 0.996262


So the royal probability is 1 in 2839.8.
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Did this analysis change the basic strategy for 9-6 Jacks VP to reflect the possibility of wilds, or was the standard 9-6 Jacks VP strategy used?
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July 3rd, 2024 at 8:43:20 PM permalink
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Did this analysis change the basic strategy for 9-6 Jacks VP to reflect the possibility of wilds, or was the standard 9-6 Jacks VP strategy used?
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The player should use four different strategies, according to the number of wilds in the deck.
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July 4th, 2024 at 6:02:20 AM permalink
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Did this analysis change the basic strategy for 9-6 Jacks VP to reflect the possibility of wilds, or was the standard 9-6 Jacks VP strategy used?
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The player should use four different strategies, according to the number of wilds in the deck.
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Interesting... double the coin-in needed,
up to 3 wilds added to the deck but no guarantee that you're going to get any of them.
And 40% of the time, there's 0 wilds added to the deck.

but to make up for that, you get better payouts.

This is going to be a frustrating game to me.
I want instant gratification.
I want at least 1 wild in my hand if the gimmick is triggered! (obviously change the payout so it'll be less than 150% EV)
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July 4th, 2024 at 7:28:58 AM permalink
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Quote: gordonm888

Did this analysis change the basic strategy for 9-6 Jacks VP to reflect the possibility of wilds, or was the standard 9-6 Jacks VP strategy used?
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The player should use four different strategies, according to the number of wilds in the deck.
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Does it tell you if or how many wild cards are in the deck each play?
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July 4th, 2024 at 10:43:29 AM permalink
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Does it tell you if or how many wild cards are in the deck each play?
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Yes. In the 2nd and 3rd image in my original post it says "3 wilds awarded." This flashes on and off, which is why you don't see it in the first image.
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July 4th, 2024 at 12:16:24 PM permalink
Do you have a list of what the highest returns are for each available game?
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July 4th, 2024 at 2:09:04 PM permalink
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Do you have a list of what the highest returns are for each available game?
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Adding a huge amount of variance for .08% gain for 9/6 JoB.

It looks like you need Quads to keep you afloat like in ddb instead of the usual full house on JoB.
What's the Var for the JoB version?

and What happened to the old days where a gimmick added at least +0.25% gain?
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July 4th, 2024 at 2:50:22 PM permalink
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Yes. I plan to publish a page on the game soon, which will include that information.
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July 4th, 2024 at 5:44:38 PM permalink
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It looks like you need Quads to keep you afloat like in ddb instead of the usual full house on JoB.
What's the Var for the JoB version?



Quads happen every 77 hands.
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July 4th, 2024 at 7:47:14 PM permalink
I should move to Ohio. 🤭😏😉🤣
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July 5th, 2024 at 3:45:07 PM permalink
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I should move to Ohio. 🤭😏😉🤣
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I was wondering who voted for that one ;-). If you do, I recommend Cleveland.
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July 5th, 2024 at 6:39:03 PM permalink
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I should move to Ohio. 🤭😏😉🤣
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I was wondering who voted for that one ;-). If you do, I recommend Cleveland.
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Having grew up in Cleveland I would recommend Columbus.
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July 5th, 2024 at 11:52:39 PM permalink
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I should move to Ohio. 🤭😏😉🤣
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I was wondering who voted for that one ;-). If you do, I recommend Cleveland.
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I chose "I should move to Ohio," because it was such a a completely out of left field poll choice, that it made me laugh and I chose it. 🤣🤭
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July 9th, 2024 at 12:44:18 PM permalink
My page on Wild! Wild! Wild! is up at WoO. I welcome all questions, comments and corrections.
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July 9th, 2024 at 2:16:57 PM permalink
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My page on Wild! Wild! Wild! is up at WoO. I welcome all questions, comments and corrections.
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Minor typos

Introduction: "The price to invite this feature is 5 credits per play." should be 'invoke this feature'

Rule #5 "The game does inform the player the player how many wilds were added."


Strategy
Strategy for playing with 1-3 wilds is still TBD. For example, do you still hold a suited KT and draw three cards with multiple wilds, or do you simply hold the K and draw four cards?

Maybe some of the forum members can analyze strategy decisions.
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July 10th, 2024 at 7:24:57 PM permalink
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My page on Wild! Wild! Wild! is up at WoO. I welcome all questions, comments and corrections.
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Thanks for your analysis.

There are 4 games at videopoker.com (with pay schedules following in parentheses) that are not on your page: Super Double Bonus (9/5), Super Double Double Bonus (8/5), Double Double Bonus Plus (9/6), and Super Bonus Deuces Wild (25/15/9/4/3/2/2/1). For many games at videopoker.com there are other pay schedules for Gold Members, and these may be added later; but, since this is a new game at the site, other schedules for this game family are not currently available.
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