$1000 freeplay: $5 9/6 ddb or $1 stp 7/5 BP?
1) 9/6 ddb (99%) is only found at $5 denom, so $25/spin. Only 40 spins and Var = 45.
2) stp 7/5 bp (98.25%) is found at $1 denom, so $6/spin. 167 spins and vs = 33.
3) There's also $5 neutered 8/5 BP ($25/spin) where all quads pays 30 instead of extra for baby quads and quad Aces.
Return = 98.5%, var = 20, and only 40 spins.
I just want to convert to cash and leave.
Which would you play?
Why?
Quote: 100xOddsWon $1000 freeplay. Can be used in vp.
1) 9/6 ddb (99%) is only found at $5 denom, so $25/spin. Only 40 spins and Var = 45.
2) stp 7/5 bp (98.25%) is found at $1 denom, so $6/spin. 167 spins and vs = 33.
3) There's also $5 neutered 8/5 BP where all quads pays 30 instead.
Return = 98.5%, var = 20, and only 40 spins.
I just want to convert to cash and leave.
Which would you play?
Why?
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If the goal is to walk away with the most cash I would play the 8/5 Bonus. That getting 2/1 on two pair is very beneficial.
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I just want to convert to cash and leave.
Which would you play?
Why?
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8/5 BP seems like a good option. It would take you longer to find a better option than to just run it through and move on.
I would probably play deuces after wandering around being indecisive for two hours, unless I found a Turkey Shoot machine. I have an unhealthy fondness for Turkey Shoot.
While 25-cent 7/5 Bonus isn't a crowd favorite, the additional hands played will ease up the variance and give you more chances at a royal.
You'd have 800 hands to play.
Quote: AlanMendelsonAre there any other options?
While 25-cent 7/5 Bonus isn't a crowd favorite, the additional hands played will ease up the variance and give you more chances at a royal.
You'd have 800 hands to play.
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This one seems the best choice to me. I'd want to maximize my spins in this situation.
If you want to take a shot play 9/6 DDB at $5 one coin per spin. Don't go for royal draws.
ok, ran it through $5 neutered 8/5 bp. ($25/spin)Quote: Dieter
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8/5 BP seems like a good option. It would take you longer to find a better option than to just run it through and move on.
I would probably play deuces after wandering around being indecisive for two hours, unless I found a Turkey Shoot machine. I have an unhealthy fondness for Turkey Shoot.
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Got$1000.
83% return. :(
Full house first hand! Thought I was going to have a good run.
Then 2pair was next best hand. No trips in the 40 hands :(
Quote: 100xOddsok, ran it through $5 neutered 8/5 bp. ($25/spin)
Got$1000.
83% return. :(
Full house first hand! Thought I was going to have a good run.
Then 2pair was next best hand. No trips in the 40 hands :(
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Ouch. Here's wishing for better variance next time.
I only had the regular 9/6 DDB strategy on me.Quote: teddysI would play the 7/5 BP at $5 a spin. Forget the STP in this case -- you don't need the variance.
If you want to take a shot, play 9/6 DDB at $5 one coin per spin. Don't go for royal draws.
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With 1 credit/spin, I would lose out ~1.5% for the Royal and whatever the -EV is for going for Royal draws.
so 1 coin $5 9/6 ddb (97.5% at most) would be worse than 5coin $1 7/5 DB (98%) and 6coin $1 stp 7/5 db (98.25%).
such a slippery slope:
- 99% (9/6 ddb) but high variance and low amount of spins
- 98.5% (8/5 neutered BP) low variance but still low amount of spins. 0.5% less return worth the lower variance?
- 98.25% (stp 7/5 bp) somewhat high variance, more spins but lower return %
- 98% (7/5 BP) low variance, alot of spins, but even lower return %
ugg.. thx. makes sense.Quote: teddysYou're overthinking it. A couple basis points doesn't matter in this short term freeplay situation. It's all about the variance. On a $1000 bank it will only cost you $5-$10, who cares?
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What would you do if you were going to put in $50k coin-in? (ie: to make the next player card tier level)
That's 2000 spins at $25/spin.
Advantage of neutered $5 8/5 bp is no w2-G unless I hit a straight flush or higher.
A lot of casinos won't take FP on bubble craps. But I agree, it is a good one. VBJ is also good.Quote: VegasriderPlay Bubble Craps
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Quote: billryanVideo BJ is great for using free play as when betting $5 a push takes $5 in free play and gives back $5 in cashable credits. It makes up for BJ paying even money.
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Yes, but that doesn't make up for some freeplay systems not funding a double down bet with restricted credits.
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ok, ran it through $5 neutered 8/5 bp. ($25/spin)
Got$1000.
83% return. :(
Full house first hand! Thought I was going to have a good run.
Then 2pair was next best hand. No trips in the 40 hands :(mod edit: formatting
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100xOdds, congrats on the $1000 FP! I assume this is not your norm, as you were asking how to play it…
Wondering how you calculated 83% return. If you played $1000 in free play and got $1000, isn’t that 100%? Or did you have to seed the free play?
whoops.. it was $1200 fp. used $200 on AP slots before i created this thread. Thus why I said I had $1000 freeplay. (That $200 freeplay only turned into $200 cash.)Quote: camaplQuote: 100xOdds
ok, ran it through $5 neutered 8/5 bp. ($25/spin)
Got$1000.
83% return. :(
Full house first hand! Thought I was going to have a good run.
Then 2pair was next best hand. No trips in the 40 hands :(mod edit: formatting
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100xOdds, congrats on the $1000 FP! I assume this is not your norm, as you were asking how to play it…
Wondering how you calculated 83% return. If you played $1000 in free play and got $1000, isn’t that 100%? Or did you have to seed the free play?
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After putting the $1000 freeplay through VP, I had $1000 combined.
So i didnt have 83% return on vp. It was 83% combined.
thus 1000- $200 = $800.
800/1000 = 80% return on the VP :(
Quote: SandybestdogThe IGT blackjack machines are class 2 games that return about 92%. They’re awful but still better than video poker.
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How does the machine handle a push when using free play?
yeah, variance in BJ is like 1.3.Quote: SandybestdogThe IGT blackjack machines are class 2 games that return about 92%. They’re awful but still better than video poker.
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my 98.5% neutered 8/5 BP has var=20.
with bj, you're going to end up close to the 92% return in 40 hands.
with vp, it's +/- 20% to the 98.5% in 40hands, apparently.
If you sit down at a video BJ machine with 20 non-cashable credits and push twenty times, you wind up with 20 credits you can cash out.
in vp, that's the same as ending with a high pair (JJ+). pays the same as your betQuote: billryanIf you sit down at a BJ table with 20 red chips and push twenty straight hands, you end up with 20 red chips.
If you sit down at a video BJ machine with 20 non-cashable credits and push twenty times, you wind up with 20 credits you can cash out.
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Here we go again. (oh, the stp is triple play.)Quote: 100xOddsWon $1000 freeplay. Can be used in vp.
1) 9/6 ddb (99%) is only found at $5 denom, so $25/spin. Only 40 spins and Var = 45.
2) stp 7/5 bp (98.25%) is found at $1 denom, so $6/spin. 167 spins and vs = 33.
3) There's also $5 neutered 8/5 BP ($25/spin) where all quads pays 30 instead of extra for baby quads and quad Aces.
Return = 98.5%, var = 20, and only 40 spins.
I just want to convert to cash and leave.
Which would you play?
Why?
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same choices except this time i have to play through $15k coin-in to get bonus credits.
600 hands at $25/hand or 833 spins at $18/spin (2500 hands)?
i chose the $1 triple play 7/5 stp.
i figured 4x more hands would lower the variance to close to that of 8/5 bp. (Am i right?)
was down $1300 at one point. there was a string of not hitting any hands and a lot of hands going by without a multiplier.
but when i got a multiplier, i would miss on all lines. and it happened on 4 multipliers in a row! :(
this was on 2 different machines.
then in the final $500 coin-in got a quad with 3x multiplier so only down -$1000.
$1000/15k = 93% return
So, apparently, if i just wanted to turn the freeplay into cash then video blackjack was the way to go:Quote: 100xOddsWon $1000 freeplay. Can be used in vp.
1) 9/6 ddb (99%) is only found at $5 denom, so $25/spin. Only 40 spins and Var = 45.
2) stp 7/5 bp (98.25%) is found at $1 denom, so $6/spin. 167 spins and vs = 33.
3) There's also $5 neutered 8/5 BP ($25/spin) where all quads pays 30 instead of extra for baby quads and quad Aces.
Return = 98.5%, var = 20, and only 40 spins.
I just want to convert to cash and leave.
Which would you play?
Why?
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https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/general/38139-use-freeplay-on-video-bj/
Not all VBJ is created equal, and many rules screens seem specially crafted to confuse things. ("5 for 2" is good, or at least hopeful.)
Also check how the rules change at different denominations. I'm pretty sure I've seen the same machine switch from 6 deck even money to single deck 5 for 2 between quarters and $5.
5for2 means 3 to 2, right?Quote: DieterRead the rules carefully.
Not all VBJ is created equal, and many rules screens seem specially crafted to confuse things. ("5 for 2" is good, or at least hopeful.)
Also check how the rules change at different denominations. I'm pretty sure I've seen the same machine switch from 6 deck even money to single deck 5 for 2 between quarters and $5.
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even if 6deck even money, it's the best game to turn $1k freeplay into cash?
Define "best game"Quote: 100xOdds5for2 means 3 to 2, right?Quote: DieterRead the rules carefully.
Not all VBJ is created equal, and many rules screens seem specially crafted to confuse things. ("5 for 2" is good, or at least hopeful.)
Also check how the rules change at different denominations. I'm pretty sure I've seen the same machine switch from 6 deck even money to single deck 5 for 2 between quarters and $5.
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even if 6deck even money, it's the best game to turn $1k freeplay into cash?
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Lowest variance.
best value.
fastest.
When it comes down to it, if you are looking to convert the free play to cash closest possible to face value, then low denominations are your friends. Or if they allow you to hedge on roulette, that's probably the best way.
My question for you is, what do you need the money for at this moment? Are you going to stop gambling after this? If not, just play the free play on whatever it is you normally play on, or find some good vulture machines.
Unless you can't play the free play on whatever you want to play, converting free play to cash and then using that cash to play other things is kinda senseless.
When i created this thread, i won the freeplay after the vulture opportunities have been had.Quote: AxelWolfMy question for you is, what do you need the money for at this moment? Are you going to stop gambling after this? If not, just play the free play on whatever it is you normally play on, or find some good vulture machines.
Unless you can't play the free play on whatever you want to play, converting free play to cash and then using that cash to play other things is kinda senseless.
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i did another loop and only found $200 coin-in of plays.
and wasn't planning on coming back to the casino again before the freeplay expired.
Quote: 100xOdds5for2 means 3 to 2, right?Quote: DieterRead the rules carefully.
Not all VBJ is created equal, and many rules screens seem specially crafted to confuse things. ("5 for 2" is good, or at least hopeful.)
Also check how the rules change at different denominations. I'm pretty sure I've seen the same machine switch from 6 deck even money to single deck 5 for 2 between quarters and $5.
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even if 6deck even money, it's the best game to turn $1k freeplay into cash?
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Like AxelWolf said, "define best".
Every game will offer advantages and disadvantages.
VBJ is usually fast and easy.
VBJ often has weird quirks, but not always. If those quirks will annoy you, don't do it.
If it's an even money game, there are probably better options (unless there are confounding factors).
$1/coin single line 'slowish' VP should only take about 24 minutes to play it off. Multiline, probably faster. I personally am OK getting a bit under $1/second for my time, but I understand if you've got someplace to be.
Lower denom, the more rounds, the closer the chop likely gets to theoretical.
Higher denom, it goes faster, but AV is more likely to be farther off from EV.
$1/coin x10 VBJ can probably convert it in under 5 minutes, but if the quirks will tick you off, it's a bad choice.
Yes, 5 for 2 works out as 3 to 2, but machines often express it as "for" not "to".
If it's a "for 2" pay, or the game offers surrender (1 for 2), bet a multiple of 2 coins. (Breakage goes to the house as hold.)
As for roulette... the last few e-roulette systems I've seen don't allow for a single player at a single terminal to cover every number, nor do they accept freeplay.
I had some free play that I could only play through on roulette today. This restriction was in the rules of the promotion. I was able put a $100 wager two dozens at a time. The game refused to accept two bets on R/B or O/E or three dozens. I did not see if I could reduce my variance further by placing individual bets on more numbers.Quote: DieterAs for roulette... the last few e-roulette systems I've seen don't allow for a single player at a single terminal to cover every number, nor do they accept freeplay.
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Nobody mentioned baccarat, but I think most casinos that have video baccarat stations also have video-BJ with better RTP. It is hard to beat E-craps if it is available.
In my experience, very few of these e-games accept free slot lay.
Quote: Mental
In my experience, very few of these e-games accept free slot lay.
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Indeed. VBJ is different from e-BJ.
I haven't seen V-Baccarat (which I think should probably be called VPB, if it exists, but I can't think of any Baccarat player wanting to play a VPB game), but that is different from e-baccarat.
I seem to recall interblock e-roulette installs from 10 years back would allow O/E, R/B, or all the dozens, but they were neutered to not take freeplay.
Haven't seen V-roulette in years, but it's got to look almost exactly like the FOBT game.
Quote: teddysI would play the 7/5 BP at $5 a spin. Forget the STP in this case -- you don't need the variance.
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var of triple play 7/5 bp is 25: https://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/appendix/3/
var of stp triple play 7/5 bp is 33:
Not that much more variance for .29% gain. (total return = 98.29%)
hm..
How much is variance reduced if playing $1 stp triple play 7/5 bp ($18/spin) vs $5 single line 'gimped' 8/5 bp ($25/spin)? <gimped = 98.5% return>
