I do understand that deferring value to future hands means the current hand was not 125%, however, this is at least somewhat compensated for by 1. We might get even better multipliers the next hand, or 2. We might get multiple hands with the same multiplier, not just 1.
While this is an obviously absurd example, it does highlight the point that playing for the future is vital in this game.
Similarly, if a ton of the value is in multiplied quads, a person is certainly not going to wait to get those dealt, though I do understand what you’re saying on not uncommon dealt hands.
Quote: 3for3Sure, for quads, there would be literally zero changes (as an aside, I got dealt Quads 2 times today). Straights and Flushes are much easier to get dealt, or get multiple versions of. In 3 play, I'd probably just go for the max right away, as you suggest. It is the 10 play where that strategy leaves a lot of $ on the table.
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I guess you’d have to look at the dealt probabilities and multiply that by the pay after multiplier to get a good approximation of added value. Still, I appreciate the much better way of thinking you’ve given me on the ten play situation.
Quote: coilmanThe VP GANG meeting is this Wednesday in Vegas.
Big KATS running a group pull @$200 each to enter. More info on that in this video contact him at his email if you want in
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxXV1yEQ5RU&t=71s
Slotsmassacre going to be there for his birthday maybe some LIVE ACTION Wednesday or Thursday night ?
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I did some research on this Bigkats and his last three group pulls by watching the videos at his computer site on YouTube. The start money ranged from 2200 to 2600 (so that would be 11-13 participants at 2 Hondo's each). Play was mostly single line $5 ($25 per hand) VP. Bigkats switches games from Bonus to Deuces Wild to DDB with an occasional hand or two at TDB, His play seems to be reasonably error free as far as hand choices. To be in a pull you send him your quatloos via something called Venmo and if the result is > 0, Venmo is how you get back your proceeds. Pull in June was 200 in per person with a pay back of 167 per person. Pull in August was 200 in 0 back. Recent pull in November was 200 in and 572 back. For 200 in 572 back is a tidy sum, a tidy sum.
First he played some games he did not know the strategy for.
Second he sacrificed dealt winners to go for longshots ala Rob Singer.
Third he played double up on some large wins including a $1000 win.
He's a gambler, not an AP
My double upQuote: AlanMendelsonI recently watched a few Slotmassacre videos on YouTube and I'm not sure he deserves the title of advantage player.
Third he played double up on some large wins including a $1000 win.
He's a gambler, not an AP
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and 3yrs later, i still havent done it again :o
I don't think he calls himself an AP, but he does play favorably with his rebates and freeplay offers. Also he's allowed to branch out and play games he doesn't know strategy on, because it's for YouTube. He makes enough money on yt to more than pay for errors he makes.Quote: AlanMendelsonI recently watched a few Slotmassacre videos on YouTube and I'm not sure he deserves the title of advantage player.
First he played some games he did not know the strategy for.
Second he sacrificed dealt winners to go for longshots ala Rob Singer.
Third he played double up on some large wins including a $1000 win.
He's a gambler, not an AP
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Quote: ChallengedMillyLatest videos are up and he lost his ass off playing $125 a spin on some 100 hand JOB/Deuces. Just could not get a flopped nut hand to make any money on. He did end up hitting two royals... but at .25 they didn't really pay off that well.
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I watched that live. If I recall correctly, he might have lost about $3k. I wouldn't call that losing his ass.
The royals paid the same amount as usual. It's just that it's only 8x his bet when playing 100 play.
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The royals paid the same amount as usual. It's just that it's only 8x his bet when playing 100 play.
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I don't understand "it's only 8x his bet" please explain. Thanks
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The royals paid the same amount as usual. It's just that it's only 8x his bet when playing 100 play.
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I don't understand "it's only 8x his bet" please explain. Thanks
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If youre playing 100 play .25c denom at max bet it's $125 a spin. A quarter royal pays $1000.
Quote: WTflushQuote: AlanMendelsonQuote: rsactuary
The royals paid the same amount as usual. It's just that it's only 8x his bet when playing 100 play.
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I don't understand "it's only 8x his bet" please explain. Thanks
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If youre playing 100 play .25c denom at max bet it's $125 a spin. A quarter royal pays $1000.
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Thank you. Got it.