coilman
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October 11th, 2021 at 1:00:52 AM permalink
Slotmassacre had himself a very good weekend

https://youtu.be/yhYwv3rUIzU
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October 11th, 2021 at 5:26:05 AM permalink
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Slotmassacre had himself a very good weekend

https://youtu.be/yhYwv3rUIzU
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never have i ever thought that watching someone play slot machines would interest me and i cant get enough... im mainly interested in the business side of it though

hell im watching xposed as i type this
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October 11th, 2021 at 9:28:34 AM permalink
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAG2mVmzMEo
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October 11th, 2021 at 10:48:32 AM permalink
I find myself watching Brian Christopher for hours. No clue why.

The crazy part is, we all know they only show the good ones. We never see them pipe $1,000 into a machine and never hit the bonus. LoL
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October 11th, 2021 at 11:52:58 AM permalink
With machine play that guy could play the rest of his life and never hit 100K again. With tables, given a high enough bankroll and table limit the chances of winning 100K are high enough such that could hit it every week.

True, in either case it might cost you more in failed attempts than the 100K, but still - trying to win 100K on a machine versus at the tables is a loser's proposition.
I tell you itís wonderful to be here, man. I donít give a damn who wins or loses. Itís just wonderful to be here with you people. https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/betting-systems/33908-the-adventures-of-mdawg/
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October 11th, 2021 at 12:15:19 PM permalink
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With machine play that guy could play the rest of his life and never hit 100K again. With tables, given a high enough bankroll and table limit the chances of winning 100K are high enough such that could hit it every week.

True, in either case it might cost you more in failed attempts than the 100K, but still - trying to win 100K on a machine versus at the tables is a loser's proposition.
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as soon as he said he was going for 100k i knew he would spend the rest of his life chasing that same feeling
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October 11th, 2021 at 12:42:01 PM permalink
Quote: MDawg

With machine play that guy could play the rest of his life and never hit 100K again. With tables, given a high enough bankroll and table limit the chances of winning 100K are high enough such that could hit it every week.

True, in either case it might cost you more in failed attempts than the 100K, but still - trying to win 100K on a machine versus at the tables is a loser's proposition.
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Playing without an advantage on any game is a loser's proposition.

Of course, these guys may be making enough money from their videos to profit. 🤷‍♂️
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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October 11th, 2021 at 1:07:31 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: MDawg

With machine play that guy could play the rest of his life and never hit 100K again. With tables, given a high enough bankroll and table limit the chances of winning 100K are high enough such that could hit it every week.

True, in either case it might cost you more in failed attempts than the 100K, but still - trying to win 100K on a machine versus at the tables is a loser's proposition.
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Playing without an advantage on any game is a loser's proposition.

Of course, these guys may be making enough money from their videos to profit. 🤷‍♂️
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Right. I'd chase a $100,000 slot win all day with someone else's money! I have a face for radio though, and a voice for newspaper.
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October 11th, 2021 at 1:37:55 PM permalink
Well I play all day long with millions of the casinos' monies. Only difference there though is that if I lose, I have to pay it back. Interest free at least. 😎🥴
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October 11th, 2021 at 5:07:22 PM permalink
Slotmassacre is playing high denomination -EV machines with A LOT of money.

When you play $125 a hand you will hit payoffs of $50k and $100k.

There is no skill or strategy to envy... just a big bankroll.
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October 11th, 2021 at 5:10:38 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

Slotmassacre is playing high denomination -EV machines with A LOT of money.

When you play $125 a hand you will hit payoffs of $50k and $100k.

There is no skill or strategy to envy... just a big bankroll.
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There used to be AP opportunities in Las Vegas playing $50 a hand in video poker. I played them for many years. If there are any now, they are probably just individual mistakes in very few places.
At my age, a "Life In Prison" sentence is not much of a deterrent.
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October 11th, 2021 at 5:29:08 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

Slotmassacre is playing high denomination -EV machines with A LOT of money.

When you play $125 a hand you will hit payoffs of $50k and $100k.

There is no skill or strategy to envy... just a big bankroll.
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There is certainly way more skill playing VP than Baccarat. You are just guessing in Baccarat. ZERO skill no matter what Baccarat guy's want you to believe.
Assuming you could find some higher limit 9/6 Jack's play correctly, earned comps, free play and other perks, I would have to guess you would be playing with an advantage, especially if you add in any type of platform revanue. Even a - 1% game should be profitable.
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October 11th, 2021 at 5:37:16 PM permalink
The game he was playing was 98.61%. So for a $125 bet, he was giving the house $1.74 per hand.

At that level, there's no way that's a once in a lifetime hand. You'd hit 4000 coins fairly regularly. Of course, not enough to keep up with the house edge.
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October 11th, 2021 at 5:43:17 PM permalink
Quote: rsactuary

The game he was playing was 98.61%. So for a $125 bet, he was giving the house $1.74 per hand.

At that level, there's no way that's a once in a lifetime hand. You'd hit 4000 coins fairly regularly. Of course, not enough to keep up with the house edge.
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Any Idea how many hands he played or the appropriate value he gave up during his trip?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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October 11th, 2021 at 5:59:26 PM permalink
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Quote: rsactuary

The game he was playing was 98.61%. So for a $125 bet, he was giving the house $1.74 per hand.

At that level, there's no way that's a once in a lifetime hand. You'd hit 4000 coins fairly regularly. Of course, not enough to keep up with the house edge.
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Any Idea how many hands he played or the appropriate value he gave up during his trip?
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No idea. Here's the WinPoker analysis for the game:

Triple Triple Bonus
Hand Name Payout Frequency % Prob. Occurs Every % of Ret.
Royal Flush 4000 67.567883 0.00% 38464.43 2.08%
Straight Flush 250 279.85192 0.01% 9286.911 0.54%
4 ACES with any 2,3,4 4000 184.52964 0.01% 14084.24 5.68%
4 2s, 3s, 4s w/ACE 4000 203.88547 0.01% 12747.16 6.28%
4 2s, 3s, 4s w/2,3,4 2000 265.64555 0.01% 9783.563 4.09%
4 ACES 800 392.81794 0.02% 6616.195 2.42%
4 2s, 3s, 4s 400 710.77953 0.03% 3656.492 2.19%
4 5s through Kings 250 4245.2494 0.16% 612.2043 8.17%
Full House 45 27477.812 1.06% 94.58395 9.52%
Flush 25 27529.436 1.06% 94.40658 5.30%
Straight 15 27748.706 1.07% 93.66058 3.20%
3 of a Kind 10 196348.01 7.56% 13.2365 15.11%
Two Pair 5 324776.18 12.50% 8.002311 12.50%
Jacks or Better 5 560122.24 21.55% 4.639987 21.55%
NOTHING 0 1428607.3 54.97% 1.819226 0.00%

Total Return 98.61%
Variance 139.50084


4000 coins Total Hands: 2,598,960 Total Frequency: 455.982993, once every 5,699.686285 hands

The return from Pair to Full House is 67.18%. so you need to hit a lot of 4 of a kinds!
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October 11th, 2021 at 6:00:40 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: rsactuary

The game he was playing was 98.61%. So for a $125 bet, he was giving the house $1.74 per hand.

At that level, there's no way that's a once in a lifetime hand. You'd hit 4000 coins fairly regularly. Of course, not enough to keep up with the house edge.
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Any Idea how many hands he played or the appropriate value he gave up during his trip?
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I watch his videos all the time. You can call me a regular viewer. I think he's one of the more honest youtubers. Until this trip where he says he finished with a profit of $77k he was talking about how he was down for the year.

In many videos he commented on how he was down for this year.

Personally I'm glad he won.

I think his videos are the most interesting.
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October 11th, 2021 at 6:14:25 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: rsactuary

The game he was playing was 98.61%. So for a $125 bet, he was giving the house $1.74 per hand.

At that level, there's no way that's a once in a lifetime hand. You'd hit 4000 coins fairly regularly. Of course, not enough to keep up with the house edge.
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Any Idea how many hands he played or the appropriate value he gave up during his trip?
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I watch his videos all the time. You can call me a regular viewer. I think he's one of the more honest youtubers. Until this trip where he says he finished with a profit of $77k he was talking about how he was down for the year.

In many videos he commented on how he was down for this year.

Personally I'm glad he won.

I think his videos are the most interesting.
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Winning or losing is a moot point to me. I am assuming he is losing if he plays often. I just want to know what his expected loss is for each trip. Assuming he has a significant bankroll, that's all that really matters if you are looking at if from a buissnes model perspective.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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October 12th, 2021 at 11:52:05 AM permalink
Hey I'm also a regular viewer of his and usually catch some of the live streams. Have talked to him a little bit in DMs as well. He seems to have a perfect combo of being in a great place mentally and financially to do what he does. 1, he is in a long term relationship with kids but isn't married. 2, he owns multiple businesses for tax write-offs. 3, he has at least two loss rebate relationships with casinos that help favor his style of play, and uses that info to get other casino properties to give him thousands in free play. 4, he has close business relationships with other YouTubers and they're building a very entertaining brand. 5, YouTube money is pretty good on its own.

He is pretty transparent about his wins and losses. He will post losses just as much as wins. While I'd prefer him to show some yearly statements, he seems to genuinely been on a up swing since he started about 4 years ago. This was his first red year until he hit the 50k and 20k the other week. Now he's up 170k, which is near his record and it's only October.
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October 12th, 2021 at 12:43:10 PM permalink
Thanks for that info.

I've paid attention to his free play amounts but I've never seen a big amount discussed in his videos. Usually he shows on his videos free play in the low hundreds.

Is he getting more free play than what he shows on the videos?

I do see a lot of cross referencing to other youtubers. It doesnt surprise me that they have a "partnership" to share YouTube revenue. I think that's what Slotlady did with this guy in their new videos.
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October 12th, 2021 at 2:26:55 PM permalink
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He is pretty transparent about his wins and losses. He will post losses just as much as wins.


I didnít look at his site..heís playing traditional slots or video poker? If itís traditional slots and his win to loss sessions are 1:1, then he is not transparent, imo.

Iím not a VP player, so I really donít know if 1:1 loss/win session is doable long term.
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October 12th, 2021 at 3:26:10 PM permalink
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3, he has at least two loss rebate relationships with casinos that help favor his style of play, and uses that info to get other casino properties to give him thousands in free play. t

Getting loss rebates on higher limit VP could be very lucrative in and of itself.
Someone with an Advantage Players knowledge and mentality would be well suited for this type of business.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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October 12th, 2021 at 9:12:20 PM permalink
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he has at least two loss rebate relationships with casinos that help favor his style of play, and uses that info to get other casino properties to give him thousands in free play.



If this is the case, wouldn't he be hashtagging or mentioning these casinos in his stream to bring business to them? It's clear he's been as the Cosmo a few times, but unclear where he got his big hit.
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October 19th, 2021 at 11:45:10 AM permalink
He does talk about the casinos he's playing at all the, he's just more subtle about it than certain youtubers(cough slotlady).
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October 19th, 2021 at 11:52:20 AM permalink
how much do you think slot lady makes off youtube ? and how much does slotmassacre make off youtube?
i think its enough to live off of in a city like phila where rent isn't sky high.

as long as they are able to recycle their roll and show a proffit off yt then its all good to go
i read once youtube favors you can make anywhere from 500 a month to 10-20k a month
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October 21st, 2021 at 6:56:15 AM permalink
Super quick super dirty math puts slotmassacre at about $300,000 a year. Obviously if anyone wants to double check my math please do!
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October 26th, 2021 at 9:31:56 AM permalink
i read/watched youtube channel claimed the slot lady bangs in around 60k take home per year

not a bad living imo just to film yourself playing slots and say sour all day
beats waiting tables or other dirty work
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October 27th, 2021 at 12:22:11 PM permalink
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i read/watched youtube channel claimed the slot lady bangs in around 60k take home per year

not a bad living imo just to film yourself playing slots and say sour all day
beats waiting tables or other dirty work
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If that is true, then I could see where she might not be doing well. It's important to keep in mind that her play is almost certainly not net profitable in and of itself. Do you have a link to the video you referenced?

I don't think you can post links yet, so it'll be hidden, but then I'll link to it in a post after that as long as it is a Youtube link.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
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October 28th, 2021 at 11:36:45 AM permalink
"how much does slot lady make" would have easily brought you options on youtube, the algorithm gods loaded my page w/ this 1 for me
/watch?v=neRcVcvgVNw&t=3s

again not too bad saying sour all day and making above min wage in most cities in usa

ugh another video claims she makes 144k a year well it can't be both i guess she only knows how much she takes him each year with her adventures
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October 28th, 2021 at 11:53:39 AM permalink
Quote: Kristmitchell

"how much does slot lady make" would have easily brought you options on youtube, the algorithm gods loaded my page w/ this 1 for me
/watch?v=neRcVcvgVNw&t=3s

again not too bad saying sour all day and making above min wage in most cities in usa

ugh another video claims she makes 144k a year well it can't be both i guess she only knows how much she takes him each year with her adventures
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neRcVcvgVNw&t=3s

It would have brought me options. The key word is plural, "Options," which is why I asked for the link to the video that you saw. Besides, it's customary that the person to cite a source provide the source, so I don't consider my request unduly imposing.

Either way, the linked video doesn't, and perhaps cannot, account for the biggest expense...how much money is she expected to lose or, does she, in fact, lose just on the gambling.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
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October 28th, 2021 at 1:49:00 PM permalink
I've been watching his videos fairly regularly for over a year. I'm not a subscriber though. He does not play perfectly, but admits that. I prefer his video over Slotlady. I think the Slotlady is a man inside a womans body, her voice sounds masculine.
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October 28th, 2021 at 7:25:45 PM permalink
In one of his recent youtubes Slotmassacre talks about the possibility of playing a $500 machine ($2500 per hand) that he says is at the Resorts World. Every winning hand would be a hand pay, would be a hand pay.
I 'm gonna go get the papers, get the papers.
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October 28th, 2021 at 11:00:24 PM permalink
Are they gonna pay him $2 million for winning on Triple Double Bonus? And again with the tips topic, ugh!
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October 29th, 2021 at 9:11:02 AM permalink
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In one of his recent youtubes Slotmassacre talks about the possibility of playing a $500 machine ($2500 per hand) that he says is at the Resorts World. Every winning hand would be a hand pay, would be a hand pay.
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Leave BIG KATS in Michigan or he will get them all tossed out of the building .

https://youtu.be/T9DX3WAI1k4?t=675
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October 29th, 2021 at 9:19:21 AM permalink
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In one of his recent youtubes Slotmassacre talks about the possibility of playing a $500 machine ($2500 per hand) that he says is at the Resorts World. Every winning hand would be a hand pay, would be a hand pay.
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One simple perusal of all the high limit slot channels that have popped up on YouTube. I mean there are a LOT of them. Thereís a bunch of people out there in casino world with a lot of #$&@ing disposable money to burn.
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October 29th, 2021 at 11:02:46 AM permalink
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZKsY9NXS5c
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October 30th, 2021 at 9:24:17 AM permalink
$500 a hand plays today


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PM8BzkwERsE
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October 30th, 2021 at 5:00:26 PM permalink
So we shouldn't expect 120 credits to last more than 15 minutes on VP.

I'm trying to get 120 credits to last me 3 hours on Bubble Craps.
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November 6th, 2021 at 6:54:08 PM permalink
The VP GANG meeting is this Wednesday in Vegas.

Big KATS running a group pull @$200 each to enter. More info on that in this video contact him at his email if you want in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxXV1yEQ5RU&t=71s


Slotsmassacre going to be there for his birthday maybe some LIVE ACTION Wednesday or Thursday night ?
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November 10th, 2021 at 11:39:40 AM permalink
530 pm Vegas time the gang will be live from Cosmo for the group pull

BigKats live from downtown right now


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONZSsloBkuk
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November 10th, 2021 at 11:52:14 AM permalink
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530 pm Vegas time the gang will be live from Cosmo for the group pull

BigKats live from downtown right now


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONZSsloBkuk
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I figured I'd watch for a few minutes. Taking a walk on the UXGold game state on Bonus Poker there defies all explanation.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
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November 10th, 2021 at 1:15:54 PM permalink
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Quote: coilman

530 pm Vegas time the gang will be live from Cosmo for the group pull

BigKats live from downtown right now


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONZSsloBkuk
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I figured I'd watch for a few minutes. Taking a walk on the UXGold game state on Bonus Poker there defies all explanation.
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UXGold is high variance.
the straight was at max in ddb.
i hit quads regular twice in the same round (4x multipler). still lost $ when i finally hit the straight.
(i gave up JJ for an inside straight draw 79tJJ but missed. no idea if this was the right play or not.)
Craps is paradise (Pair of dice). Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)
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November 10th, 2021 at 1:26:16 PM permalink
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UXGold is high variance.
the straight was at max in ddb.
i hit quads regular twice in the same round (4x multipler). still lost $ when i finally hit the straight.
(i gave up JJ for an inside straight draw 79tJJ but missed. no idea if this was the right play or not.)
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In general, he was switching games a lot...but he had a spread of multipliers I think about five minutes into the video on Ten-Play Bonus Poker that would have put the Expected Return at over 140% without even considering the value of potential added multipliers. More than that, as he was checking through the games, he would comment as to what the multipliers on the different games were at, so he clearly recognizes that it matters.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
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November 10th, 2021 at 1:31:25 PM permalink
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Quote: 100xOdds

UXGold is high variance.
the straight was at max in ddb.
i hit quads regular twice in the same round (4x multipler). still lost $ when i finally hit the straight.
(i gave up JJ for an inside straight draw 79tJJ but missed. no idea if this was the right play or not.)
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In general, he was switching games a lot...but he had a spread of multipliers I think about five minutes into the video on Ten-Play Bonus Poker that would have put the Expected Return at over 140% without even considering the value of potential added multipliers. More than that, as he was checking through the games, he would comment as to what the multipliers on the different games were at, so he clearly recognizes that it matters.
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I thought the same thing. He acted surprised that people "wiped them clean". Isn't that the smart thing to do? Oh well...guys like this is what leaves them for the rest of us!
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November 10th, 2021 at 1:44:06 PM permalink
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I thought the same thing. He acted surprised that people "wiped them clean". Isn't that the smart thing to do? Oh well...guys like this is what leaves them for the rest of us!
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It's a tough game. If someone is staying until they have all been wiped clean (absent a truly bizarre set of hands), then they have been playing at -EV at some point.
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November 11th, 2021 at 9:01:54 AM permalink
How many hands? If this is 3 hands, that is probably the right play; if it is 10 hands, it is almost certainly not the right play, as your likely hit is just 1 straight, whereas if you don't kill your straight multiplier, you can easily get 2+ on a 1 card draw, or, all 10.
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November 11th, 2021 at 9:09:28 AM permalink
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How many hands? If this is 3 hands, that is probably the right play; if it is 10 hands, it is almost certainly not the right play, as your likely hit is just 1 straight, whereas if you don't kill your straight multiplier, you can easily get 2+ on a 1 card draw, or, all 10.
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It wouldn't change the per hand value, in either case. The realization of the value would just be skewed more towards being realized by dealt hands in the long run with the ten play.
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November 12th, 2021 at 8:04:22 AM permalink
You are right; it won't change the value of the current hand. It will change the value for future hands, however. Taking down the straight multiplier will cost substantial EV on future hands. If this was 1 play, you'd likely play for the straight. If this was, say 100 play, playing for the straight would be a substantial error, as it really diminishes the value of future hands.
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November 12th, 2021 at 11:15:23 AM permalink
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You are right; it won't change the value of the current hand. It will change the value for future hands, however. Taking down the straight multiplier will cost substantial EV on future hands. If this was 1 play, you'd likely play for the straight. If this was, say 100 play, playing for the straight would be a substantial error, as it really diminishes the value of future hands.
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Hmm...I think I am either misunderstanding you or we might be talking past one another, my apologies, in any case.

The way I would vulture these is that I want the value based on the current hand to be 100%+ before I even care about future multipliers. I'm just thinking in pure vulturing terms or terms of what multipliers you shouldn't leave behind if you are playing them.
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