TheCapitalShip
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August 14th, 2021 at 1:53:21 PM permalink
Hello everyone!

Just to make this simple and to the point, I went to my local casino for the first time ever and had a pretty good time, but my interest here is more about AP play with my local casino's VP machines. I was scouting on the machines, and it seems the best machine is in the high limit room where it is 1$ minimum bet, NSUD Deuces Wild w/ 99.73% RTP (I also confirmed this looking at the casino on vpfree). Since I have never been to a casino before, I am stuck at the bottom of comp benefits, which is 3 points for every 10$ betted, 100 points is equal to 1$. IF I have thought about this right, that means I can technically make a 0.03 profit in the long run for every 100$ I put into this machine. Before anyone tells me this kind of profit is not worth playing, I am not aiming to make almost any money off of this, instead, I wanted something that I could practically break even in the long run with, and 3 cents profit practically is breaking even. However, my income is not that high and since this machine is only in the high limit room, I will have to bet 5$ a hand with this machine and I was curious about what bankroll size I would need.

I have been told long run VP bankrolls are around 3 - 4x the Royal Flush payout, which means my long term bankroll fund for this would need to be about 16,000$. Obviously I have some saving up to do, however I can at least calculate session bankrolls so that I do not run out of money really fast, I want to plan my sessions to be about 2-3 hours each, if the average speed is about 600 hands an hour (and I am a much slower player than this right now), that would mean I am putting about 3000$ an hour into this machine if I have the math right. At minimum this would be 6000$ for 2 hour sessions if I lost all my hands. After this however, my knowledge about calculating proper bankrolls stops, I do not know about the variance of Deuces Wild to really know how much I should bring to my sessions while I am trying to save up for a long term bankroll. What would be the proper way I should calculate this? I would really appreciate some tips, and I hope this question isn't to much of a newbie question, I do not completely understand all the nuances into bankroll management as I have only just now started to research this stuff.

Thank you in advance!
billryan
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August 14th, 2021 at 2:07:03 PM permalink
Can you replenish your bankroll? If you were to drop $2,000 today, can you replace it by your next visit? If you can replenish your BR after losses, you need a much smaller one.
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TheCapitalShip
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August 14th, 2021 at 2:56:25 PM permalink
I can not replenish my BR sadly, my budget is quite literally the 5 cent machines with horrible payouts (think they are like 94%), so I will need quite some time to build up and save up a decent amount. Unless of course variance is kind to me, but I will not rely on pure luck being on my side, especially with 5$ per hand. I can probably at the very least limit my sessions there to maybe an hour as this casino is not that long of a drive to get there, that would still leave me with 3k needed if I was playing 600 hands. As said though, I do not know what the variance in Deuces Wild is so I do not know what "highs" and "lows" to expect.
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August 14th, 2021 at 3:20:55 PM permalink
Quote: TheCapitalShip



I have been told long run VP bankrolls are around 3 - 4x the Royal Flush payout,



This advice has generally been retracted.

Expect that you will need much more.

Video poker software may be able to help you with the specific calculations.
May the cards fall in your favor.
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