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October 19th, 2020 at 3:37:24 PM permalink
I confess to hijacking the HANDLING SEQUENTIAL ROYALS IN AN VIDEO POKER ANALYZER thread with discussion about a reversible royal game at the Red Rock. I have since gone onto writing the following article about it.

VIDEO POKER OPPORTUNITY WITH 105% RETURN

I welcome all comments about that article. After this post, I will copy and paste a post I made prior to writing that article from the Sequential Royal thread.

The question for the poll is would you play this game?
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.
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October 19th, 2020 at 3:37:49 PM permalink


I paid a visit to the Red Rock to confirm this game. The screen above shows the jackpot as of about 1PM on Oct 17.

The same jackpot is available on six different base games. The following table shows those games with the return for all royals paying 800x the bet amount.

Base game Pay table Return
Bonus Poker Deluxe 6-5 0.953611
Jacks or Better 6-5 0.949961
Triple Double Bonus 7-5 0.949178
Double Double Bonus 6-5 0.946569
Double Bonus 8-5 0.941897
Bonus Poker 10-8-5-3-1 0.941829


As you can see, Bonus Poker Deluxe offers the best value.

The next table shows the return with optimal strategy, including card position for 8-6 Bonus Poker Deluxe. The lower right cell shows a return of 105.22%!

This has an expected profit of 1.3 cents per hand. Assuming a playing speed of 1000 hands per hour, the expected win per hour is $13.05, not including the value of points earned.

Outcome Win Combinations Probability Return
Reversible Royal Flush 807,782 67,567,248 0.000001 0.109525
Royal Flush 4,000 2,531,111,347 0.000025 0.020317
Straight Flush 250 10,545,248,235 0.000106 0.005290
Four of a Kind 400 246,151,065,684 0.002470 0.197580
Full House 30 811,309,337,868 0.008140 0.048842
Flush 25 1,067,259,148,415 0.010708 0.053542
Straight 20 1,275,953,861,466 0.012802 0.051209
Three of a Kind 15 7,722,917,814,918 0.077488 0.232464
Two Pair 5 10,770,132,885,066 0.108062 0.108062
Jacks or Better 5 22,463,692,195,905 0.225389 0.225389
All Other 0 55,295,592,349,848 0.554808 0.000000
Totals 99,666,152,586,000 1.000000 1.052220



The next table shows the return with optimal strategy, NOT including strategy changes for card position. It is based on an average royal of 17,396 coins, which is a weighted average between 1/60 the jackpot and 59/60 a win of 4000 coins. The lower right cell shows a return of 103.56%.

Outcome Prize Combinations Probability Return
Royal Flush 17,396 52,825,312 0.000032 0.110643
Straight Flush 250 160,811,571 0.000097 0.004841
Four of a Kind 400 4,128,394,310 0.002485 0.198827
Full House 30 13,632,719,598 0.008207 0.049242
Flush 25 18,607,023,152 0.011202 0.056008
Straight 20 20,468,179,301 0.012322 0.049288
Three of a Kind 15 129,801,408,860 0.078142 0.234425
Two Pair 5 181,189,140,336 0.109078 0.109078
Jacks or Better 5 370,795,511,313 0.223223 0.223223
All Other 0 922,266,529,347 0.555213 0.000000
Totals 1,661,102,543,100 1.000000 1.035574




The next table shows the return with optimal strategy for non-progressive 8/6 Bonus Poker Deluxe. The lower right cell shows a return of 101.97%.

Outcome Prize Combinations Probability Return
Royal Flush 17,396 40,987,885 0.000025 0.085850
Straight Flush 250 179,539,017 0.000108 0.005404
Four of a Kind 400 4,136,976,035 0.002491 0.199240
Full House 30 13,653,938,163 0.008220 0.049319
Flush 25 18,041,709,548 0.010861 0.054306
Straight 20 21,688,438,418 0.013057 0.052227
Three of a Kind 15 129,936,095,954 0.078223 0.234668
Two Pair 5 181,027,999,728 0.108981 0.108981
Jacks or Better 5 381,597,343,986 0.229725 0.229725
All Other 0 910,799,514,366 0.548310 0.000000
Total 1,661,102,543,100 1.000000 1.019720
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October 19th, 2020 at 4:14:46 PM permalink
In the Red Rock casino near the buffet, but near the restrooms on the opposite wall, there are four reversible royal 5-cent machines with the jackpot north of $73,000.

Are these different from the machines you spotted or did the meter rise dramatically in just a couple of days?

If they are a different set of machines have you checked their paytables, etc.?
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October 19th, 2020 at 4:33:04 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

In the Red Rock casino near the buffet, but near the restrooms on the opposite wall, there are four reversible royal 5-cent machines with the jackpot north of $73,000.

Are these different from the machines you spotted or did the meter rise dramatically in just a couple of days?

If they are a different set of machines have you checked their paytables, etc.?



The machines I refer to are near the Starbucks in the food court (as opposed to the one by the gift shop). I will have to return to look for these $73,000 jackpot games.
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October 19th, 2020 at 7:53:36 PM permalink
This pipe dream is worth between $40 and $70 an hour depending on how fast/accurate you play and whatever possible comps, promos and mail. Good luck, and pray you don't go 5 cycles only to have Grandma Ima Winner snap you off on her first $20.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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October 19th, 2020 at 9:50:12 PM permalink
Can anyone else confirm or deny this $73,000 nickel game by the buffet?
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October 19th, 2020 at 11:32:03 PM permalink
FYI, on your WOO page you wrote this.

"The bottom line is if a reversible royal pays 10,000 coins, it adds 0.45% to 0.50% to the return, depending on the particular game and pay table. A fair average to assume is 0.466%."

It should be 50,000 coins. Or 10000 for 1.
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October 20th, 2020 at 4:21:00 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Can anyone else confirm or deny this $73,000 nickel game by the buffet?



I sent you a photo.

There are only three of this, not four.
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October 20th, 2020 at 7:26:11 AM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

I sent you a photo.

There are only three of this, not four.



Thanks Alan.

Strange there are two separate banks of games with enormous jackpots. Perhaps a rollover from some other jackpot that was removed?

Quote: tringlomane

FYI, on your WOO page you wrote this.

"The bottom line is if a reversible royal pays 10,000 coins, it adds 0.45% to 0.50% to the return, depending on the particular game and pay table. A fair average to assume is 0.466%."

It should be 50,000 coins. Or 10000 for 1.



Thanks, you're right.
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October 20th, 2020 at 1:35:38 PM permalink
What is the true meaning or definition of cycle in VP?

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