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AlanMendelson
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May 4th, 2020 at 2:52:43 PM permalink
Let's look at Crimm's #2:

"2. The fact he knew the published sequence of events to get the machine to double up was wrong, and he published what he called the correct sequence of events. And after that fact KJ confirmed with the author of the Kane & Nestor story that the sequence was intentionally altered. No one has credibly disputed Rob's published sequence."

AxelWolf please advise:

A. How do you know that Singer's sequence is correct? Where is the confirmation?

B. How do you know no one has credibly disputed Rob's published sequence?

C. If Rob's published sequence was wrong why would anyone with the correct sequence come forward? Would they come forward because Crimm offered a $1,000 prize to anyone with proof that Rob's sequence was wrong? If you had the correct sequence would you disclose it for Crimm's $1,000 prize?

Has anyone used Rob's now published sequence to make the double-up bug work?

Where's the logic?
Mosca
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May 4th, 2020 at 3:06:38 PM permalink
Just one question: is Rob Singer the guy riffing on Bob Dancer, or is Bob Dancer the guy who is riffing on Rob Singer?

It’s all so confusing.
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AlanMendelson
May 4th, 2020 at 3:21:23 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

Isn't it against forum rules to extensively quote banned members here? If Mike wanted Crimms opinion on this, he knows where to find them.



You're not wrong, and yet it was made clear before this thread was started that Mike is looking into it, and willing to entertain the discussion.

So my stance is that a continuing exemption is being made for information directly pertinent to this conversation. MickeyCrimm information, RobSinger information, and perhaps others with direct knowledge (KJ got mentioned) are part of this.

I think accuracy and facts in THIS thread should be able to be reported without repercussions on the messengers. It's similar in that way to how we did accident investigation. You could only get to the chain of events and decisions made through non-punitive means.

As long as the Wizard chooses to investigate the situation, I for one will not be shutting off the flow of information from any and all sources.

I do consider this an exception to the general rule. And I do not encourage speculation or trashing of anyone in abusing the exception.

Thanks.
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AxelWolf
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May 4th, 2020 at 3:21:35 PM permalink
Quote: AlanMendelson

Let's look at Crimm's #2:

"2. The fact he knew the published sequence of events to get the machine to double up was wrong, and he published what he called the correct sequence of events. And after that fact KJ confirmed with the author of the Kane & Nestor story that the sequence was intentionally altered. No one has credibly disputed Rob's published sequence."

AxelWolf please advise:

A. How do you know that Singer's sequence is correct? Where is the confirmation?

B. How do you know no one has credibly disputed Rob's published sequence?

C. If Rob's published sequence was wrong why would anyone with the correct sequence come forward? Would they come forward because Crimm offered a $1,000 prize to anyone with proof that Rob's sequence was wrong? If you had the correct sequence would you disclose it for Crimm's $1,000 prize?

Has anyone used Rob's now published sequence to make the double-up bug work?

Where's the logic?

I can't say for sure, unless I sit down and actually try the sequence myself. I haven't had the opportunity to do that(not for lack of trying). However, there have been some people that I trust who seem to have knowledge about this particular machine. I believe what they're are telling me regarding the sequence. That lines up with what Rob was saying. I do believe very soon we will have confirmation on what the exact sequence is.

I believe someone on this very Forum mentioned that they had a machine with this double up bug feature on it. I believe I asked them privately if they would kindly send a video showing this. That didn't seem to lead anywhere.
It looked to me like they were more interested in trying to hit a Royal.
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onenickelmiracle
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May 4th, 2020 at 4:17:07 PM permalink
Was he trying to borrow money from you Alan? Was this why he revealed the "truth"?
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May 4th, 2020 at 4:22:38 PM permalink
Quote: Mosca

Just one question: is Rob Singer the guy riffing on Bob Dancer, or is Bob Dancer the guy who is riffing on Rob Singer?

It’s all so confusing.



LOL. Singer is riffing on Dancer.

Singer's name, allegedly, came from the fact he claims he lost a bundle playing AP style as recommended by Dancer.

I want to return to a curious question. "Singer's" column at Gaming Today -- GT also had AP video poker columns concurrent with the "Singer" column. I have to think the AP writers let the editor and publisher know what they thought of the "Singer" column. So it does beg the question why the GT publisher was using the "Singer" column. It's true "Singer" was not paid for the column, so maybe it was just a case of any free column is a good column. But maybe not.
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May 4th, 2020 at 4:37:43 PM permalink
One thing I do not understand. I'm being criticized elsewhere for suggesting that "Singer" may have been executing the double up bug for other people. I'm actually cutting him a break, as winning 2.8 million, as he claims, is pretty modest. I think Axelwolf commented on this somewhere. That total implies that he was tippy toeing around using it, with the possibility that it would end at any time. Seems like a non-optimal methodology, to be sure. And then the cash sort of disappeared into the mists.

My point is, if he was doing it for someone else, the constraints for use would have been placed on him by others, so he wasn't the one being non-optimal. And the money would have gone off into the mists because chunks of it were not his money. The cash would not have disappeared because he had degenerate streaks. The only negative thing I'm suggesting about him is that he didn't, as his story reads at Best Buys, spend hours trying weird stuff on video poker machines in hopes of finding some glitch. That was a really unconvincing tale of discovery, like doing a travelogue about the Florida Keys when you hadn't actually been there in the last 10 years.
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AlanMendelson
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May 4th, 2020 at 4:53:51 PM permalink
Quote: onenickelmiracle

Was he trying to borrow money from you Alan? Was this why he revealed the "truth"?



Where did this come from?

Let me answer this clearly: No. Rob Singer did not try to borrow money from me.

I think any and all "side allegations" are just ridiculous. If we only stick with facts we have enough to discuss. There's no reason to create unnecessary drama.

I think Singer revealed his story to me as the first step of his campaign to claim ownership of the double up bug... which happened years earlier.

The only ducks he didn't have lined up was the proof.
AlanMendelson
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May 4th, 2020 at 5:57:15 PM permalink
The person who claims to have discovered the double up bug now alleges that an employee of IGT, a publicly traded company, programmed the bug. If programmed, it would mean intentionally, correct?

His phrase: "these people loved to program in their 'signatures' "

I wonder what IGT would think about this allegation?

I have a long relationship with the media relations team at IGT so I asked for their comments.
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May 4th, 2020 at 6:14:48 PM permalink
With all the appearance of a high-roller, complete with entourage, Nestor was able to persuade a casino staffer to enable the double-up feature on an IGT Draw Poker machine in the Meadows’ “high limit” room. A supervisor immediately reversed the decision, and the staffer went through the procedure to turn off the feature again, but neglected to save the change.

It would prove a costly mistake. Nestor and his crew returned to that same machine 15 times over the next two months, collecting $429,945 from 61 payouts. (Adding insult to injury, the Meadows was later fined $48,900 for turning on the double-up feature without regulator approval.)

https://www.wired.com/2013/05/game-king/

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