How often do you go to the casino?

Quote: AxelWolf

Advantage Players are human beings and have emotions (at least most of them do). Everyone has a different tolerance levels but I don't really know any advantage player that doesn't feel the sting of losing once in awhile.

losing sucks, but Advantage Players are much more tolerant and ambivalent to losing than the average person. They know it's part of the game and they are able to move on without dwelling on it. And I would say for the most part they don't think about the average day-to-day swings they have while playing normal things that are well within their bankroll.

Some Advantage Players are very concerned about the proper bankroll management. Taking a big hit to your bank roll can limit what you can safely play in the future. You never know when something will come up that you should be investing as as much as you can, within reason. Not having that money to invest can seriously cut into your earning potential. There are many times where I regret not investing more on the particular play, but on the flip side, there are times where I was glad I didn't invest more (Especially on sure thing MMA fight tips🤦‍♂️).

For the most part, with a very few exceptions, when it comes to Advantage players who seemed to have almost no fear of losing it hasn't worked out too well for them. And then there are guys who have too much fear of losing. Those guys never seem to advanced the bankroll since they're not willing to get when they should during the juicy plays that come up. No doubt I have over-invested a few times, but for the most part, I admit I'm guilty of under playing my bankroll for the most part.

There are other factors besides the math that come into play when deciding how much to invest in something. One of the main factors I have come across is the potential of not getting paid from the casino during a juicy promotion such as a loss rebate/multi step promotion/some angle that might not go over well with the casino.

Yup.

My tolerance for loss has gone way up, but I was never a degen. I remember going to a casino to meet with family and friends in Detroit shortly after turning 21 and being shocked that the smallest BJ game was $10/min. I figured I could easily lose $100 without getting to even play much and I thought that was crazy.

But to me, that was just flushing money down the toilet. Also, I was a student so I didn't have a ton of money.

Now, I understand to make money gambling, I will have losing stretches. They do bother me less as time goes on, but obviously losing money sucks.

It sucks when you feel like being lazy and chilling out at home, but you do the right thing, drag your butt to "the office" and proceed to get your teeth kicked in. If only you'd been a little lazier, you could have chilled at home AND you'd have more money.

It's nice to have forms of AP that are really low risk/variance. Poker is not such a game. When you run bad for long periods it can really mess with your mind. You're inner ZenKing will start telling you that you are cursed by the universe. It's also kind of scary because, if you've not had a regular job for a few years, your options are pretty limited if you go busto.

What gets me is the correlation that is made between odds and results. We once flew to Reno and stayed at the Peppermill for 3 days so we could play NSU Deuces. Before we left, I practiced with my software and could play accurately. NSU is a 99.7% game at max coins. I played for three days straight and lost a bundle. We drove over to Tahoe and I hit a royal flush with one of my wife's "error" hands. She holds all non deuce A-K, A-Q, A-J and A-10 hands. This is the kind of thing that gets you thinking the machines are rigged.

Quote: SingleCoinVP

What gets me is the correlation that is made between odds and results. We once flew to Reno and stayed at the Peppermill for 3 days so we could play NSU Deuces. Before we left, I practiced with my software and could play accurately. NSU is a 99.7% game at max coins. I played for three days straight and lost a bundle. We drove over to Tahoe and I hit a royal flush with one of my wife's "error" hands. She holds all non deuce A-K, A-Q, A-J and A-10 hands. This is the kind of thing that gets you thinking the machines are rigged.

And the kind of thing that keeps people playing 4 % disavantages instead of something much better.

Quote: tringlomane

Yeah I'm not totally sure why casino bars offer DDB games near the top of their payback range. The DDB addict doesn't care about the paytable. I probably do what Cosmo does if I was a strip casino. Quarter 8/5 DDB (or maybe even 7/5) and 6/5 Super DDB for those that care about EV.

In Fresno at Table Mountain, these games have been replaced with new machines, but a few years ago the good machines had three games only. No keno, straight video poker, and the three games were 9-6 JoB, 16-10 NSU, and, ....(drum roll), 8-5 DDB. I swear. And guess what most people played. Yep. I'm sure you guessed it. lol

Quote: bobbartop

In Fresno at Table Mountain, these games have been replaced with new machines, but a few years ago the good machines had three games only. No keno, straight video poker, and the three games were 9-6 JoB, 16-10 NSU, and, ....(drum roll), 8-5 DDB. I swear. And guess what most people played. Yep. I'm sure you guessed it. lol

And I may be the only moron in the world who checks and writes down keno pay tables. It's just my thing. lol So yeah, most are in the 92% range, even in high limit rooms. But I know some places that offer 95% or high 94+%. And I guarantee you out of the hundreds of players, if I were to mention "paytable", they wouldn't know wtf I was talking about. I could say, "Gee, this one has 95% on it", and it would be deer in the headlights, guaranteed.

If a place gives generous keno paytables, the players don't appreciate it. They'll last longer, but they won't know why or even notice.

Quote: SingleCoinVP

I never claimed I had a strategy for beating the casino.

You did claim that your strategy is even for this year, which may not beat the casino, but it certainly does overcome the house advantage -- and the math shows that cannot be done by chance alone.

Also, why one quarter at a time? Why not one penny at a time? Even if it means playing 94%. In Las Vegas most places let you play the multi-line machines that low. I used to do that when I was so stuffed I needed time to digest the buffet before driving home

Quote: TomG

You did claim that your strategy is even for this year, which may not beat the casino, but it certainly does overcome the house advantage -- and the math shows that cannot be done by chance alone.

Also, why one quarter at a time? Why not one penny at a time? Even if it means playing 94%. In Las Vegas most places let you play the multi-line machines that low. I used to do that when I was so stuffed I needed time to digest the buffet before driving home

I am not ahead of the casino lifetime. I have been ahead of the casino a number of years. A few years back I made a small profit over a two year period. When I say I play single coin quarters and win, it's not an accurate description of how I play VP.

The quarter VP games I have to play are in the 97% range. Playing single coin on these machines is cheap entertainment. I use the savings to take limited $20 pot shots at bigger denominations. I may play my pots shots at max coin dollars. I occasionally play them on single coin $5 machines. I have hit a number of $1,000 quad deuce hands this way, four of them came at $5 a coin. A $1,000 quad deuce is equal to a max coin quarter royal. It is also nine times more frequent.

This is NOT a long term winning video poker strategy. It is based on luck. It is not easy stomaching single coin royals, but I have learned to deal with it. The way my wife plays VP yields a better long term result. She plays the same 97% quarter games at $1.25 a hand. She never sees a W2-G. I normally get 1-2 a year. It's hard for me to stick with quarter play, but I'm trying. I don't think I'm the only player who struggles with this.

The biggest problem I have with playing single coin quarters is comps. If you play VP that way, you won't get any. I believe my casino penalizes you for playing single coin quarters, so I pull my card when I do and put it back when I play bigger. If I had +EV games to play, I would play exactly like the experts tell me to. The games I play are losers, so I adjust my play to get the most entertainment for my dollar. You may define your entertainment differently.

I am not a video poker expert. I never claimed to be. All I ever talk about on these forums is what happens when I play. It angers some people when I say I win this way. It shouldn't. If you walk up to a video poker machine, put a $20 bill in the machine and walk away with a $1,000 it does not make you an expert.

Quote: SingleCoinVP

I am not ahead of the casino lifetime. I have been ahead of the casino a number of years. A few years back I made a small profit over a two year period. When I say I play single coin quarters and win, it's not an accurate description of how I play VP.

The quarter VP games I have to play are in the 97% range. Playing single coin on these machines is cheap entertainment. I use the savings to take limited $20 pot shots at bigger denominations. I may play my pots shots at max coin dollars. I occasionally play them on single coin $5 machines. I have hit a number of $1,000 quad deuce hands this way, four of them came at $5 a coin. A $1,000 quad deuce is equal to a max coin quarter royal. It is also nine times more frequent.

This is NOT a long term winning video poker strategy. It is based on luck. It is not easy stomaching single coin royals, but I have learned to deal with it. The way my wife plays VP yields a better long term result. She plays the same 97% quarter games at $1.25 a hand. She never sees a W2-G. I normally get 1-2 a year. It's hard for me to stick with quarter play, but I'm trying. I don't think I'm the only player who struggles with this.

The biggest problem I have with playing single coin quarters is comps. If you play VP that way, you won't get any. I believe my casino penalizes you for playing single coin quarters, so I pull my card when I do and put it back when I play bigger. If I had +EV games to play, I would play exactly like the experts tell me to. The games I play are losers, so I adjust my play to get the most entertainment for my dollar. You may define your entertainment differently.

I am not a video poker expert. I never claimed to be. All I ever talk about on these forums is what happens when I play. It angers some people when I say I win this way. It shouldn't. If you walk up to a video poker machine, put a $20 bill in the machine and walk away with a $1,000 it does not make you an expert.

No one really cares what SingleCoinVP is doing or how he plays. We really don't care much how much you are down. No one is really angered by you or what you say.

In a roundabout way it seems as if you are touting your way of playing as a good option for others.

Claiming to be even after 100's of thousands of hands on such a bad game is ridiculous and should be called out as BS.

I think we all know your mind's made up so whatever pushback you're getting isn't meant for you, it's in hopes others don't follow your lead/thinking your way of playing is a good way to play.

Quote: AxelWolf

No one really cares what SingleCoinVP is doing or how he plays.

SCVP,this sums it up. You have mentioned how you play, and that you lose less per hour than those playing more coins at a better pay table. OK, we all get it. No one is arguing that fact. But I'd say you have a dozen more posts saying the same thing. We get it! Just enjoy the game you play, and how you play it. If you have something new to post we are all ears.

Quote: SOOPOO

SCVP,this sums it up. You have mentioned how you play, and that you lose less per hour than those playing more coins at a better pay table. OK, we all get it. No one is arguing that fact. But I'd say you have a dozen more posts saying the same thing. We get it! Just enjoy the game you play, and how you play it. If you have something new to post we are all ears.

Sounds like a plan. Have a nice day.

I never go, i play online