ROYALPIRATE
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April 25th, 2019 at 1:24:11 PM permalink
When playing progressive video poker games that return >100%, how important are strategy deviations from basic strategy? I am referring to progressives only on the royal and so I understand strategy changes to go for the royal are needed and will generally lower the royal cycle. Let's assume where the meter currently stands the return is 101% and the machine has a 1% meter. If I choose to play the basic strategy of the game am I giving up too much? This particular machine is a single machine and not a bank of machines.
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April 25th, 2019 at 1:32:47 PM permalink
The best advice I can give you is to have some sort of app, like WinPoker or the equivalent and run the scenarios to see if strategy changes are justified.

You can create the paytable you want, using the current value of the progressive as the top prize, and then put in some basic hands, like high pair with a 3 card royal draw and see what the EV is for keeping the pair or going for the royal. The higher the royal, the more times you will break up something to chase it.

WinPoker is the only time I have ever spent $10 for an app, and it was the best $10 I ever spent. I look up hands while I am in action if there is any question on what the best +EV play should be. Usually the ones I look up are so close that it does not matter.

Make sure your particular strategy for the game/pay table you are playing is perfect, and the deviations should be relatively easy to determine.
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April 25th, 2019 at 1:36:41 PM permalink
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When playing progressive video poker games that return >100%, how important are strategy deviations from basic strategy? I am referring to progressives only on the royal and so I understand strategy changes to go for the royal are needed and will generally lower the royal cycle. Let's assume where the meter currently stands the return is 101% and the machine has a 1% meter. If I choose to play the basic strategy of the game am I giving up too much? This particular machine is a single machine and not a bank of machines.



At LEAST break the high pairs in a JoB-type game to draw to 3-card RFs. That is the major play, choose that over basic strategy.
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April 25th, 2019 at 1:39:38 PM permalink
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WinPoker is the only time I have ever spent $10 for an app, and it was the best $10 I ever spent. I look up hands while I am in action ...



Are you sure you want to do that?
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ROYALPIRATE
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April 25th, 2019 at 1:43:04 PM permalink
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The best advice I can give you is to have some sort of app, like WinPoker or the equivalent and run the scenarios to see if strategy changes are justified.

You can create the paytable you want, using the current value of the progressive as the top prize, and then put in some basic hands, like high pair with a 3 card royal draw and see what the EV is for keeping the pair or going for the royal. The higher the royal, the more times you will break up something to chase it.

WinPoker is the only time I have ever spent $10 for an app, and it was the best $10 I ever spent. I look up hands while I am in action if there is any question on what the best +EV play should be. Usually the ones I look up are so close that it does not matter.

Make sure your particular strategy for the game/pay table you are playing is perfect, and the deviations should be relatively easy to determine.



I also have this app and yes I agree it was a great buy. I use it to make strategy changes. I was just wondering how much I was penalizing myself if I made a basic strategy play that ended up not being the most optimal based on the current value of the royal. Hopefully that makes sense.
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April 25th, 2019 at 1:44:14 PM permalink
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This particular machine is a single machine and not a bank of machines.




I missed your last sentence. Is this a game you can stay on by yourself or with a partner until it is hit? It makes a difference. I should let some smarter posters than myself elaborate on this, but do consider this. It's significant.
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April 25th, 2019 at 1:44:53 PM permalink
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Are you sure you want to do that?



It has to be discrete, and it depends on where I am playing.
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April 25th, 2019 at 1:49:05 PM permalink
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When playing progressive video poker games that return >100%, how important are strategy deviations from basic strategy? I am referring to progressives only on the royal and so I understand strategy changes to go for the royal are needed and will generally lower the royal cycle. Let's assume where the meter currently stands the return is 101% and the machine has a 1% meter. If I choose to play the basic strategy of the game am I giving up too much? This particular machine is a single machine and not a bank of machines.

It's going to depend on how much the Royal is contributing to the over all payback, i.e. what's the Royal at.

If you had a good machine like a 9/6 with a stand alone prog you could lock up. It might not even be worthwhile to make the changes.

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April 25th, 2019 at 2:00:21 PM permalink
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If you had a good machine like a 9/6 with a stand alone prog you could lock up. It might not even be worthwhile to make the changes.




That's what I was trying to say to him in my second post, Axel. Perhaps you could elaborate and explain it to him, I know you'll explain it better than I can. I never even considered it until I heard Frank Kneeland talking about it. It's a significant concept. As with most things, I arrived at it late in life.
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