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April 19th, 2019 at 7:51:25 PM permalink
In another thread a couple weeks ago we were talking about Class-2 and Class-3 machines. I mentioned that I have clearly seen Class-2 machines in California Indians casinos scattered among the majority of Class-3 machines with the "bingo thing" clearly displayed. But I also said that I thought I had seen some Class-2s that did NOT have the bingo display and that I would try to take a picture next time I'm there. Well, today I was there. Here is a link, there is NO bingo display, but there are words to the same effect.

https://i.imgur.com/jS9cnBN.jpg
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April 20th, 2019 at 8:27:59 AM permalink
Quote: bobbartop

In another thread a couple weeks ago we were talking about Class-2 and Class-3 machines. I mentioned that I have clearly seen Class-2 machines in California Indians casinos scattered among the majority of Class-3 machines with the "bingo thing" clearly displayed. But I also said that I thought I had seen some Class-2s that did NOT have the bingo display and that I would try to take a picture next time I'm there. Well, today I was there. Here is a link, there is NO bingo display, but there are words to the same effect.

https://i.imgur.com/jS9cnBN.jpg



I believe the casinos in California are limited on the number of Class III games they can have. They can have as many Class II as they want.
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April 20th, 2019 at 8:35:18 AM permalink
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I believe the casinos in California are limited on the number of Class III games they can have. They can have as many Class II as they want.

WHY? I assume it has something to do with extra money going to the state? Some casinos in California have nothing but class 3. I guess they might have a few class 2 I missed, but not more than 10.
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April 20th, 2019 at 9:41:06 AM permalink
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WHY? I assume it has something to do with extra money going to the state? Some casinos in California have nothing but class 3. I guess they might have a few class 2 I missed, but not more than 10.


Why is there a limit on Class III but not Class II? Because Federal law (Title 25, Sdection 2710, U.S. Code) says that Class II gaming is within the tribe's jurisdiction, but Class III gaming requires a compact between the tribe and the state it is in, which, among other things, specifies the number of machines allowed.
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April 20th, 2019 at 10:52:49 AM permalink
San Pablo Lytton near the Bay Area is all class ||. I only knew that place existed from the robbery story.
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April 20th, 2019 at 11:13:53 AM permalink
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San Pablo Lytton near the Bay Area is all class ||. I only knew that place existed from the robbery story.


I used to drive by there on my commute in the 1990s. Originally, it was just a card room, but then the Lytton band of the Pomo tribe got control of it somehow. There is no compact with California, which would explain why it is all Class II.
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April 20th, 2019 at 9:15:39 PM permalink
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I used to drive by there on my commute in the 1990s. Originally, it was just a card room, but then the Lytton band of the Pomo tribe got control of it somehow. There is no compact with California, which would explain why it is all Class II.



Correct. They tried and failed to sign a compact so they just did a big F-U to the state and went all Class II and poker. They have no Class III devices or games, and they pay the state ZERO dollars per year.
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April 21st, 2019 at 9:24:11 AM permalink
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Why is there a limit on Class III but not Class II? Because Federal law (Title 25, Sdection 2710, U.S. Code) says that Class II gaming is within the tribe's jurisdiction, but Class III gaming requires a compact between the tribe and the state it is in, which, among other things, specifies the number of machines allowed.

If the average person doesn't notice if it's class 2 or class 3. And if a casino can pay zero using class 2, why would they even consider using class 3? I take it they don't have as many good selections of class 2 machines? I guess the good VP tittles don't come in class 2. I would just make all my slots class 2 and have some class 3 VP.
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April 21st, 2019 at 10:41:15 AM permalink
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If the average person doesn't notice if it's class 2 or class 3. And if a casino can pay zero using class 2, why would they even consider using class 3?


Maybe for the same reason the "average person" doesn't care whether the house hits or stands on soft 17, but the casinos not only offer S17, but advertise this. It's not just the Joe Sixpacks and Sally Soapoperas they're after. They're also not the only game in town.
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