100xOdds
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July 7th, 2018 at 6:03:44 AM permalink
sometimes I find enough multipliers to make it worth playing Ult X Bonus streak and Ult X Spin poker.
both of these games force you to play 10coin in order to use the multipliers.

is there any easy strategy adjustments for the common games (JoB, ddb, tdb, deuces wild, etc)?

ie: in normal deuces wild, if im dealt 1 wild and 3 spades, I only keep the wild. I do not hold 4 to a flush.
but in Ult X spin poker, I hold 4 to a flush (including the wild) because a flush gives me multipliers. (don't know if this is right?)
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July 10th, 2018 at 8:52:53 PM permalink


I think I held right to get the 12x multiplier?
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July 11th, 2018 at 9:11:34 AM permalink
100xOdds,

I usually don't advocate breaking out one's phone (especially in those rare jurisdictions in which it could arguably be illegal), but this is one that isn't necessarily obvious enough (but could have a fair deal of value) to check.

The first thing I notice is the SF pays 10-FOR-1 at base, so the only really relevant other pays are deuces, dirty royals, quins and quads. Quads are the worst possible hand that can happen, here, because it's automatic.

With that, the first thing that I am going to do is go to the VP hand analyzer and punch this in as if it were not UX. Quad Deuces almost universally pays 200-FOR-1, so I guess I'll assume 20-FOR-1 on the dirty royal and 12-FOR-1 on the 5OaK. I'll figure the rest of the paytable goes 4-4-3-2-1, but it could be worse, again, doesn't really matter because none of the hands worse than 4OaK really affect anything.

Okay, so the three deuce hold has an expected return of 14.031452 per hand whereas the SF pays 10 per hand. Factoring in the multipliers, three deuces has an EV of 56.125808 per hand and the other is 40 per hand. (Per Credit Bet)

Wizard says that we can adjust for multipliers and use his Video Poker Strategy Maker to figure this out, from:

https://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/tables/ultimate-x/

Quote:

Creating a strategy for a game not listed above is easy. Just follow these steps:

For each poker hand, determine: (adjusted win) = 2×(base win) + (multiplier) - 1. For example, if the base win for a full house is 8 and the multiplier is 12, then the adjusted win is 2 × 8 + 12 - 1 = 27.
Put each adjusted win in my video poker strategy maker.
Click "continue."



Okay, so the new paytable would appear: (All Pays for One)

RF: (2 * 800) + 2-1 = 1601
Deuces: (2 * 200) + 2-1 = 401
Dirty Royal: (20 * 2) + 2-1 = 41
5OaK (12 * 2) + 2-1 = 25
SF: (10 * 2) + 12-1 = 31
4Oak: (4 * 2) + 7-1 = 14
FH: (3 * 2) + 6 -1 = 11
Flush: (3 * 2) +4-1 = 9
Straight: (2 * 2) + 3-1 = 6
3OaK: (2*1)+2-1 = 3

With three Deuces, it says a Wild Royal Flush is the only thing you would keep.

That's good to keep in mind for more complicated hands, but there's actually a much simpler way to look at this one.

The first thing we want to do is go back to the hand analyzer, but this time, we're going to take the applicable pays (20-12-10-4-200) and we're going to multiply them by 4 for the multiplier and by five for the number of credits bet, so multiply by 20 total:

Deuces: 200 * 20 = 4000
Dirty Royal: 20 * 20 = 400
5OaK: 12 * 20 = 240
SF: 10 * 20 = 200
4OaK: 4 * 20 = 80

None of the other hands matter, because they're not possible, so let's have a look:

It says the expected return holding Three Deuces is 280.63 and holding SF is 200.

Now, you could get as many as 10x multiplier extra per hand going into the next hand, if the result of an individual hand is anything except a 4OaK, but even if that happened, each extra 10x multiplier would be worth slightly less than 50 credits per hand because the game does not have a 100% return. Some hands are expected to only be a 4OaK, but then that is offset by the 7x multiplier, which means the difference in multiplier would be 5x per hand making it worth fewer than 25 credits on the following hand.

Because the expected difference in credits is greater than BOTH 25 credits and 50 credits per hand holding the Three Deuces, that is the correct decision.

This is also assuming bad pays on the 5OaK and Wild Royal, if those pay more, then holding Three Deuces becomes an even better decision.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
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July 12th, 2018 at 12:18:49 PM permalink
doh! so I had 6 chances to get that 4th deuce?
thankfully it's only .10 denom.

slit wrists if this was $1 denom

also, I just realized it's deuces Bonus.
so quad 2's with Ace = Royal payout (4000 coins), I think

/both wrists if it was $1 denom
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