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Hand | Base pay | Number bonus hands | Maximum multiplier | Sum of multipliers |
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Royal flush | 800 | 3 | 3 | ? |
Straight flush | 50 | 3 | 3 | ? |
Four of a kind | 25 | 3 | 3 | ? |
Full house | 9 | 9 | 5 | ? |
Flush | 5 | 9 | 5 | 35* |
Straight | 4 | 9 | 5 | ? |
Three of a kind | 3 | 9 | 5 | 15 |
Two pair | 2 | 9 | 2 | 10 |
Jacks or Better | 1 | 3 | 3 | 5 |
Here are some examples by hand dealt:
Jacks or better: 1-1-3, 1-2-2 (both total 5)
Two pair: 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-2 (total of 10)
Three of a kind: 2-1-1-3-1-1-3-2-1, 3-2-1-3-1-1-1-1-2 (total of 15)
Can anyone explain what is going on with the higher hands on the deal?
The question for the poll is do you play Powerhouse Poker?
* Verified by Miplet
Quote: mipletMy flush had 1-3-4-4-4-4-5-5-5 for a sum of 35
Was this for 9-5 Jacks? If not, what was the base pay on a flush?
Yes.Quote: WizardWas this for 9-5 Jacks? If not, what was the base pay on a flush?
3rd flush 2-2-3-4-4-5-5-5-5 for 35
Hand | Base pay | Number bonus hands | Maximum multiplier | Value of bonus hands |
---|---|---|---|---|
Royal flush | 800 | 9 | 2 | ? |
Straight flush | 50 | 9 | 2 | ? |
Four of a kind | 25 | 9 | 2 | ? |
Full house | 9 | 9 | 10 | ? |
Flush | 5 | 9 | 10 | ? |
Straight | 4 | 9 | 10 | ? |
Three of a kind | 3 | 9 | 10 | 30 |
Two pair | 2 | 9 | 10 | 20 |
Jacks or Better | 1 | 9 | 2 | 10 |
There is some discussion about the question at hand in the VideoPoker.com forum but nobody there seems to know the answer or even understand what the question is.
and to add to the variance, some of the bonus hands are multiplied.
an action junkie's dream!
the sum of the multipliers are fixed for each type of winning dealt hand?
and you cant calc the returns?
have you asked the manufacturer?
Quote: 100xOddsand you cant calc the returns?
I think I can analyze the 9-5 Jacks version at least if I can get the sum of the multipliers for a straight and full house. Looking for volunteers to play it until these hands hit on the deal. I think I can assume the same sum as for a high pair for a four of a kind or higher.
Meanwhile, I have the hard math done, meaning the probability of each hand according to the type of starting hand. It will just be a matter of putting it all together once I get those figures for a straight and full house.
Quote:have you asked the manufacturer?
I asked them on Nov 20 and just heard back today but there was a misunderstanding and I didn't get the information I needed. So I just asked again but it could take a while to get another reply.
Why is straight being so elusive?
Finally straight 1-2-2-2-3-3-4-4-4 for 25
Quote: WizardOne video poker game I've never fully understood the rules for is Powerhouse Poker. It is probably the most popular video poker variant not covered on WoO because I can't perfectly quantify the rules. What we do know is that if player gets a paying hand on the deal, he wins bonus hands. Some of these bonus hands will have a multiplier. The game tells you the number of bonus hands and the maximum multiplier, but not an average multiplier or a sum of multipliers. In playing 9-5 Jacks 5-play at VideoPoker.com, I've gathered the sum of the multipliers for only the bottom three hands, as follows:
Hand Base pay Number bonus hands Maximum multiplier Sum of multipliers Royal flush 800 3 3 ? Straight flush 50 3 3 ? Four of a kind 25 3 3 ? Full house 9 9 5 ? Flush 5 9 5 35* Straight 4 9 5 ? Three of a kind 3 9 5 15 Two pair 2 9 2 10 Jacks or Better 1 3 3 5
Here are some examples by hand dealt:
Jacks or better: 1-1-3, 1-2-2 (both total 5)
Two pair: 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-2 (total of 10)
Three of a kind: 2-1-1-3-1-1-3-2-1, 3-2-1-3-1-1-1-1-2 (total of 15)
Can anyone explain what is going on with the higher hands on the deal?
The question for the poll is do you play Powerhouse Poker?
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Playing this game on the videopoker.com phone app is giving me different sums of multipliers. I'll play again later and get some screen shots.
Quote: IbeatyouracesPlaying this game on the videopoker.com phone app is giving me different sums of multipliers. I'll play again later and get some screen shots.
Thanks. Please do. Just to check, we're talking about 5-play 9-5 Jacks.
Quote: WizardThanks. Please do. Just to check, we're talking about 5-play 9-5 Jacks.
Ok. I've been playing 10 play. I'll still get some screenshots and hopefully hands not listed like dealt quads.
Quote: mipletFull house #2 was 1-4-5-5-5-5-5-5-5 for 40
Why is straight being so elusive?
Finally straight 1-2-2-2-3-3-4-4-4 for 25
Thanks Miplet! Did I ever say you're worth your weight in Palladium?
Next step is to break down conventional 9-5 Jacks by starting hand, just to make sure I did the breakdown right.
Hand on Deal | Combinations | Probability | Average win | Expected win |
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Royal flush | 4 | 0.000002 | 800.000000 | 0.001231 |
Straight flush | 36 | 0.000014 | 50.000000 | 0.000693 |
Four of a kind | 624 | 0.000240 | 25.000000 | 0.006002 |
Full house | 3744 | 0.001441 | 9.000000 | 0.012965 |
Flush | 5108 | 0.001965 | 5.410570 | 0.010634 |
Straight | 10200 | 0.003925 | 4.103404 | 0.016104 |
Three of a kind | 54912 | 0.021128 | 4.302498 | 0.090905 |
Two pair | 123552 | 0.047539 | 2.595745 | 0.123399 |
Jacks or better | 337920 | 0.130021 | 1.546896 | 0.201129 |
Low pair | 760320 | 0.292548 | 0.836504 | 0.244717 |
Trash | 1302540 | 0.501177 | 0.552135 | 0.276717 |
Total | 2598960 | 1.000000 | 0.984498 |
That return is a match. Will make for a good trivia question -- what's better to get on the deal, a random three of a kind or random straight (excluding straight flushes and royal flushes)?
Quote: IbeatyouracesBTW, since I switched from 10 play, I'm crushing it!
Congratulations on the royal! That means you're buying drinks tonight. I'll have a side car.
The total multipliers depend on how many hands you play. Only fair you should get more if betting more hands.
Hand on Deal | Combinations | Probability | Average win | Average bonus hands | Total hands | Expected win |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Royal flush | 4 | 0.000002 | 800.000000 | 5 | 10 | 0.001231262 |
Straight flush | 36 | 0.000014 | 50.000000 | 5 | 10 | 0.000692585 |
Four of a kind | 624 | 0.000240 | 25.000000 | 5 | 10 | 0.006002401 |
Full house | 3,744 | 0.001441 | 9.000000 | 40 | 45 | 0.058343337 |
Flush | 5,108 | 0.001965 | 5.410570 | 35 | 40 | 0.04253577 |
Straight | 10,200 | 0.003925 | 4.103404 | 25 | 30 | 0.048313237 |
Three of a kind | 54,912 | 0.021128 | 4.302498 | 15 | 20 | 0.181810226 |
Two pair | 123,552 | 0.047539 | 2.595745 | 10 | 15 | 0.18509872 |
Jacks or better | 337,920 | 0.130021 | 1.546896 | 5 | 10 | 0.201129304 |
Low pair | 760,320 | 0.292548 | 0.836504 | 0 | 5 | 0.122358679 |
Trash | 1,302,540 | 0.501177 | 0.552135 | 0 | 5 | 0.138358683 |
Total | 2,598,960 | 1.000000 | 0.985874204 |
Quote: WizardCongratulations on the royal! That means you're buying drinks tonight. I'll have a side car.
The total multipliers depend on how many hands you play. Only fair you should get more if betting more hands.
Haha, unless they're free drinks!
Yeah more multipliers and bigger ones on ten play. Do you plan on doing that and triple play analysis?
Quote: IbeatyouracesYeah more multipliers and bigger ones on ten play. Do you plan on doing that and triple play analysis?
I'd like to. I'll need to get the sum of the multipliers for every hand from jacks or better up to a full house. I am asking for volunteers to help me get this information. You may wish to state which game you're playing to avoid multiple people doing the same game.
Personally, I'll work on 5-play Bonus Poker.
Quote: WizardI'd like to. I'll need to get the sum of the multipliers for every hand from jacks or better up to a full house. I am asking for volunteers to help me get this information. You may wish to state which game you're playing to avoid multiple people doing the same game.
Personally, I'll work on 5-play Bonus Poker.
I have some screen shots from 10 play 9/5 JoB that I'll post later. From memory though, I can confirm that on dealt J's through A's always get a single 2x on the ninth of the extra hands.
Quote: IbeatyouracesI have some screen shots from 10 play 9/5 JoB that I'll post later. From memory though, I can confirm that on dealt J's through A's always get a single 2x on the ninth of the extra hands.
Dealt 3oak.
Quote: Mission146I'll start on Deuces. I don't have imgur, so I'll just type what they are.
Sorry, please don't do any deuces wild game (PM also sent). My Powerhouse program isn't set up to analyze any deuces wild game, although I could fix it so it could. May as well get all the other games out of the way first, if I ever get that far.
Quote: WizardPersonally, I'll work on 5-play Bonus Poker.
Here are the total multipliers for 5-play Bonus Poker:
Jacks: 5
Two pair: 10
Three of a kind: 20
Straight: 20
Flush: 20
Full house: 30
Four deuces: 5
I'll work on 3-play Bonus Poker next.
Hand on Deal | Combinations | Probability | Average win | Average bonus hands | Total hands | Expected win |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Royal flush | 4 | 0.000002 | 800.000000 | 5 | 10 | 0.001231 |
Straight flush | 36 | 0.000014 | 50.000000 | 5 | 10 | 0.000693 |
Four of a kind | 624 | 0.000240 | 32.692308 | 5 | 10 | 0.007849 |
Full house | 3,744 | 0.001441 | 7.000000 | 30 | 35 | 0.035294 |
Flush | 5,108 | 0.001965 | 5.410570 | 20 | 25 | 0.026585 |
Straight | 10,200 | 0.003925 | 4.103404 | 20 | 25 | 0.040261 |
Three of a kind | 54,912 | 0.021128 | 4.507721 | 20 | 25 | 0.238103 |
Two pair | 123,552 | 0.047539 | 2.425532 | 10 | 15 | 0.172961 |
Jacks or better | 337,920 | 0.130021 | 1.564687 | 5 | 10 | 0.203443 |
Low pair | 760,320 | 0.292548 | 0.830307 | 0 | 5 | 0.121452 |
Trash | 1,302,540 | 0.501177 | 0.552011 | 0 | 5 | 0.138328 |
Total | 2,598,960 | 1.000000 | 0.986200 |
The return for standard 5-coin 7-5 Bonus is 0.980147.
JOB 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 =10
2PR 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 5 5 = 20 (ALL TOTALS SAME, INDIVIDUAL HANDS VALUE UP TO 9X Here on up)
3oak 1 1 2 2 2 3 5 7 7 =30
Straight 2 3 3 4 4 5 5 7 7 = 40
Flush 3 3 5 6 6 6 6 7 8 = 50
played 5k hands, eyes quit, no dealt fh. Will have to try again.
had several big pays, including dealt 4A. pic to come. Verification: dealt 4oak regardless of value = 10 with one single 2x pay in bonus.
regular 9/5 JoB is 98.4% so +.19% gain for this gimmick.Quote: WizardOkay, I believe this to be the first analysis on Powerhouse posted online. Again, this is for 5-play 9-5 Jacks. I welcome all questions, comments, and corrections.
Hand on Deal Combinations Probability Average win Average bonus hands Total hands Expected win Royal flush 4 0.000002 800.000000 5 10 0.001231262 Straight flush 36 0.000014 50.000000 5 10 0.000692585 Four of a kind 624 0.000240 25.000000 5 10 0.006002401 Full house 3,744 0.001441 9.000000 40 45 0.058343337 Flush 5,108 0.001965 5.410570 35 40 0.04253577 Straight 10,200 0.003925 4.103404 25 30 0.048313237 Three of a kind 54,912 0.021128 4.302498 15 20 0.181810226 Two pair 123,552 0.047539 2.595745 10 15 0.18509872 Jacks or better 337,920 0.130021 1.546896 5 10 0.201129304 Low pair 760,320 0.292548 0.836504 0 5 0.122358679 Trash 1,302,540 0.501177 0.552135 0 5 0.138358683 Total 2,598,960 1.000000 0.985874204
meh.
anything over 99%?
so I played this on vp.com and I was wrong about random hands for the bonus round.Quote: 100xOddsinteresting.. like Double Pay except you get a random return for winning dealt hands in the form of random bonus hands instead of a fixed amount.
and to add to the variance, some of the bonus hands are multiplied.
an action junkie's dream!
the sum of the multipliers are fixed for each type of winning dealt hand?
and you cant calc the returns?
have you asked the manufacturer?
it's not random. you keep the winning hand from the draw.
so if you get a dealt straight/flush/fh, then you keep all 5 cards in the bonus round.
kinda like Extra Draw Frenzy except you get the bonus for all winning hands and not just 3oak.
and since 3/5/10play all get 9 bonus games, does that mean 3play is the obvious choice to play?
edit: nope.. the higher the hand count, the more the multipliers.
ie: 10play gets more multipliers than 3play
Quote: IbeatyouracesI'll get a flush picture for my game later. The app keeps freezing up on me.
Here is what I have so far for 10-play JoB:
High pair: 10
2 pair: 20
3 of a kind: 30
Straight: 50
Flush: ?
Full house: 40
So just need that flush and we'll be good for that game.
Quote: beachbumbabs10 play 9-5 DDB
JOB 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 =10
2PR 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 5 5 = 20 (ALL TOTALS SAME, INDIVIDUAL HANDS VALUE UP TO 9X Here on up)
3oak 1 1 2 2 2 3 5 7 7 =30
Straight 2 3 3 4 4 5 5 7 7 = 40
Flush 3 3 5 6 6 6 6 7 8 = 50
played 5k hands, eyes quit, no dealt fh. Will have to try again.
had several big pays, including dealt 4A. pic to come. Verification: dealt 4oak regardless of value = 10 with one single 2x pay in bonus.
Thanks Barb. Just need that full house value and I can crunch the numbers.
Dealt Hand | 3-Play | 5-Play | 10-Play |
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Royal Flush | 3 | 5 | 10 |
Straight Flush | 3 | 5 | 10 |
Four A's + Any 2,3 or 4 | 3 | 5 | 10 |
Four 2's,3's,4's + Any A,2,3,4 | 3 | 5 | 10 |
Four Aces | 3 | 5 | 10 |
Four 2's,3's,4's | 3 | 5 | 10 |
Four 5's Through K's | 3 | 5 | 10 |
Full House | 18 | 30 | 60 |
Flush | 15 | 25 | 50 |
Straight | 12 | 20 | 40 |
Three of a Kind | 9 | 15 | 30 |
Two Pair | 6 | 10 | 20 |
Jacks or Better | 3 | 5 | 10 |
Quote: WizardHere is what I have so far for 10-play JoB:
High pair: 10
2 pair: 20
3 of a kind: 30
Straight: 50
Flush: ?
Full house: 40
So just need that flush and we'll be good for that game.
Finally!
And one just for fun. Feel free to use either to illustrate.
Glad you were able to tap your source.
Seems odd JOB 10 play FH is less than STR or FL value.
DDB is more logical. I figured it had to be 60, but of course needed proof.
As always, I welcome all questions, comments, and especially corrections.
nothing over 99%Quote: WizardMy source came through with the multipliers I needed for every game. So far my new page on Powerhouse Poker covers Triple Double Bonus and Double Double Bonus.
As always, I welcome all questions, comments, and especially corrections.
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