Looking to establish a record for fastest video poker player.

Did you ever have any issues with the casino and cameras -- or did that go unnoticed?

(thanks to technology, you don't need cameras the size of toasters, tripods and spotlights, and whatnot)

Quote: rxwine

Did you ever have any issues with the casino and cameras -- or did that go unnoticed?

No heat at all. My thanks to the Santa Fe Station.

Quote: monet0412

This thread broke my back along with the last two comments. I request to be banned from the site and that all my posts/threads be nuked and I thank everyone for the time we had together discussing topics in this forum.

monet,

I hope you change your mind and return. I am very sorry to see you exit. And I thank you for many valuable insights and contributions.

I think there is no knowing the maximum single-line 1 machine record until somebody sets one. So you could be right about feasible maximums, or the Wizard could be. Since he's going to continue the challenge, I guess we'll see at some point.

I just played some 9/6 JoB here and had a friend countdown 1 minute on the stopwatch on his phone as he counted the hands. I got in 28 hands in that one minute.

Quote: Ibeatyouraces

I just played some 9/6 JoB here and had a friend countdown 1 minute on the stopwatch on his phone as he counted the hands. I got in 28 hands in that one minute.

That's a rate of 1,680 HPH. Interested in doing the single-game challenge?

Quote: Wizard

No, I should have thought to ask. If I see him again, I will.

Nice video, I don't think you need to be defensive at all about your reasoning for how this was conducted (I think you appear to be ever so slightly irritated about that, why let any of that get to you ?).

I think it would be interesting to see a Q&A with Ken, if he would be willing.

Did he use WoO as his source for perfect strategy ?

How long did it take to learn it as well as he (obviously) has ?

How often does he play FPDW ?

Does he play any other casino games?

Is it a hobby or a job ?

If he plays like that regularly, it seems like the casino would ask him to play other games instead. Comments ?

Wow Speak about an eye opener re WoO hand analysts/strategy .
Kind regards

Quote: Wizard

That's a rate of 1,680 HPH. Interested in doing the single-game challenge?

I'm going to pass for a few reasons:

1) I certainly do not want to be on camera! 😎

2) Although that's fast, I normally don't play that quick. I was purposely trying to get as many in in that minute as possible.

3) During those 28 hands, none were tough decisions. There are some hands that I still plug into the hand analyzer just to be certain if I'm not quite sure.

4) I'm quite certain someone else is faster.

5) I'm not in Vegas.

Quote: JohnnyQ

Nice video, I don't think you need to be defensive at all about your reasoning for how this was conducted (I think you appear to be ever so slightly irritated about that, why let any of that get to you ?).

I don't know. I guess I find people annoying who find fault in everything without offering a better alternative. As I said in video, sometimes in life you have to find an intelligent middle ground and move on.

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I think it would be interesting to see a Q&A with Ken, if he would be willing.

He is a man of few words. We had a drink after the challenge where I learned a little of his background, but will let him answer any questions, if he chooses, on his own.

Had this challenge thing come up before you came to Detroit last month, we could've figured something out.

Quote: Wizard

He is a man of few words. We had a drink after the challenge where I learned a little of his background, but will let him answer any questions, if he chooses, on his own.

A few of us stayed quite a bit longer and talked. I felt the same way as you. I don't know what he's interested in talking about or not, it's his story to tell.

Ken has accepted my request to do a single-machine challenge. I hope to shoot it later this week.

Again, I'm looking for a volunteer to help with a second camera.

Quote: Wizard

Ken has accepted my request to do a single-machine challenge. I hope to shoot it later this week.

Again, I'm looking for a volunteer to help with a second camera.

Awesome! I hope that this will lead to the creation of a new 'WoV Records' area on the site. Superlative performance deserves recognition.

It also allows an opportunity for line setting and side action... Please describe the parameters as soon as they are settled (e.g. FPDW, 10 minutes?, Time starts on first deal?, if he hasn't hit 'draw' at exactly 10 minutes, does he still get credit for the hand; or can the challenger go for as long as they wish past 10 minutes? Penalty for incorrect strategy?)

"Put that in your pipe and smoke it." - hahahaha well said. Another congrats to Ken for a seriously astonishing feat. I'd still be interested in seeing what the max for anyone is on a single machine.

My teammate "Bruce" reached out to Mike as he's in town about doing it as well. I'd be intrigued to see his speed/accuracy. I'd be willing to guess he could do at least 1300 hph. Never really timed it past that, so might be a lot more, but I know he's quite capable of playing very fast.

I also think the lower the minutes the less accurate. I went to "test" myself with 1 min or 5 min on the Wiz's video poker trainer (which will notify on error too) and apparently it's down right now, just an FYI.

Quote: Ayecarumba

It also allows an opportunity for line setting and side action... Please describe the parameters as soon as they are settled (e.g. FPDW, 10 minutes?, Time starts on first deal?, if he hasn't hit 'draw' at exactly 10 minutes, does he still get credit for the hand; or can the challenger go for as long as they wish past 10 minutes? Penalty for incorrect strategy?)

I plan to do another 10-minute test. I won a bet with AxelWolf on the first challenge. The line was 1800 HPH.

The the last test I tried to start and stop each hand between hands. That is why the HPH varied between 2540 and 2560, because it depended exactly when I cut on and off the time in question. About the only thing I plan to do differently is get one camera for a wider shot, to appreciate the whole thing, rather than just seeing cards flash on the screen.

Quote: Wizard

...but will let him answer any questions, if he chooses, on his own.

Well of course ! I just think it might be very interesting.

After we did the single-machine challenge last Wednesday Ken humored me in letting me record him playing two machines. I am still not happy with the way the ten-minute video came out. So, here is Ken playing two machine for three minutes.

As the end of the video shows, Ken again made zero errors and his speed was 2,590 hands per hour.

Quote: monet0412

This thread broke my back along with the last two comments. I request to be banned from the site and that all my posts/threads be nuked and I thank everyone for the time we had together discussing topics in this forum.

Shoot. Monet is so awesome, this sucks.

Quote: onenickelmiracle

Shoot. Monet is so awesome, this sucks.

I still can't understand why he left. I mean I know he disagreed with the assessment that 10 minutes was enough time to establish a "HPH" record, but the "last two comments" were Hugo saying quite civilly that he thought 1400 HPH was low and Wiz soliciting for members that could do 2000+ HPH.

I will miss his posts as well.

Quote: Joeman

I still can't understand why he left. I mean I know he disagreed with the assessment that 10 minutes was enough time to establish a "HPH" record, but the "last two comments" were Hugo saying quite civilly that he thought 1400 HPH was low and Wiz soliciting for members that could do 2000+ HPH.

I will miss his posts as well.

I cannot speak for him, but I believe that he may have alluded (and perhaps directly stated) to posting too much on multiple occasions.

I've been wondering for years why no did this.

Somebody just sent a link to the following video as an expression of interest in the Video Poker Challenge. I counted 35 hands in the first 62 seconds, which equates to a speed of 2,032 hands per hour. As you may recall, Dr. Antonius is the current single-machine record holder at 2,262 hands per hour.


Direct: https://youtu.be/juzpLFEI75k

I would be grateful to anyone who could count the number of hands in the whole video. Better yet, check it for accuracy. The game is 10/6 double double bonus. Meanwhile, I've encouraged the challenger to try to get his speed up by 10% before we do an official challenge.

p.s. Gordon, what do you think of his hands?

Quote: Wizard

I would be grateful to anyone who could count the number of hands in the whole video. Better yet, check it for accuracy. The game is 10/6 double double bonus. Meanwhile, I've encouraged the challenger to try to get his speed up by 10% before we do an official challenge.

p.s. Gordon, what do you think of his hands?

NOTE: I used my Edit privileges to consolidate the errors that I found into one post and to delete superfluous posts. I would typically only use my Edit privileges for the purpose of articles or self-deleting double posts, but since I'm only touching my own posts I do not feel this is inappropriate for a Non-Admin. Sorry, I didn't think there would be more than one or two errors.

1.) Is the Royal a Progressive? I can't tell. If not, there is a mistake (I believe) at 1:18 when the player holds Ad-Qd-10d instead of the four-flush Ad-Qd-10d-8d with the off card being a two of clubs. The hand analyzer puts it at:

AQ108 = 1.276596

AQ10 = 1.261795

EDIT: Not a progressive, I can see it better on my phone. I believe that's the wrong hold.

2.) I believe there is another error at 1:34, the hand is:

Jd Ad Ks 10c 5h

He holds Jd-Ad-Ks-10c = EV .531915

Correct Hold Jd-Ad = EV .541597

3.) Glaring mistake at 2:47.

The hand:

Kd Jd 8d Qh 3s

He holds Kd-Jd-8d = EV .518964

Correct Hold Kd-Jd = EV .535430

4.) WTH at 4:13!!??

The hand:

Ks 10s 4c 4s 7c

He holds Ks

Correct Hold: 4c, 4s

I don't even need to give the EV for that one.

5.) Incorrect hold at 6:00

The Hand:

As Qs Kd 10d 7h

The Hold: As-Qs-Kd-10d = EV .531915

Correct Hold As-Qs = EV .541597

6.) BIG error at 6:28

THE HAND:

Ah-Qh-10h-10d-3c

The Hold: 10h-10d = EV .743386

Correct Hold: Ah-Qh-10h = EV 1.306198

7.) Error at 6:47

THE HAND:

Qh-10h-7c-8c-2d

The hold: Qh = EV .428212

Correct Hold Qh-10h = EV .453469

8.) Error at 8:41

THE HAND:

Ah-Kh-Js-10c-3s

The hold: Ah-Kh-Js-10c = EV .531915

Correct Hold: Ah-Kh = EV .541597

9.) Straight up Mishit at 9:07

THE HAND: Kd-Jc-7s-5d-4h

The Hold: Kd-Jc-4h (He obviously didn't mean to hold the four.)

10.) Very small error at 9:26

THE HAND: As-Jd-10d-7s-3h

The hold: As = EV .459188

Correct Hold Jd-10d = EV .461116

(I feel bad even catching this because he would have been correct had the seven not been a flush penalty card holding the ace...I shouldn't even know DDB well enough to catch that, but it is 10-SIX)

11.) Bad No Hold at 9:35

THE HAND: 10s-9s-7c-6h-4c

The Hold: Throw Away = EV .326317

Correct Hold 10s-9s-7c-6h = EV .340426

(I only say, "Bad," because this is a fundamental DDB hold)

12.) Big mistake at 9:47

THE HAND: 7s-7h-5d-Qc-Ah

The hold: Ah

Correct Hold: The sevens, obviously.

Greetings!

After watching it through once, I ended up counting a total of twelve errors ranging from negligible to awful. At a certain point, I feel like errors should be disqualifying regardless of speed or any hand penalties. With all apologies, I would suggest that this sample goes past what should be allowed unless we get a better submission.

NOTES AND DISCLAIMERS:

1.) I am not claiming my list of twelve errors is comprehensive, I might have missed one or two. I'm not watching the video more than once.

2.) The order of the cards in my list of errors is generally NOT the order that they appeared in the video. I listed them in an order easier for my purposes when using the hand analyzer and then copied that over. Therefore, some mistakes appear to be more glaring than they actually were.

3.) I'm not doing error lists on these anymore because it makes me feel guilty. I would not have played so well had I been trying to play that fast and I never would have played that fast in the first place (arthritis in my hands) so it makes me feel like a hypocrite to be pointing out his errors.

Thus, I apologize to the gentleman playing.

***I feel especially bad about catching error #10. I shouldn't even know that hold. That really made me feel like a hypocrite.

4.) In fairness so nobody thinks I am sanctimonious, I hereby admit:

A.) There were four holds that I checked that WERE NOT wrong.

B.) Of those four, I thought that two of them were wrong before checking them. The other two I was just making sure.

Conclusion

That's all, but if the gentleman who was playing reads this, please accept my apology for the critique. You play much faster than I even physically could (my hands would lock up) and with fewer errors than I would make if I did play that fast.

People who play that loudly shouldn’t be allowed to play.

Hopefully he made a bunch of other errors that Mission didn’t catch.

Quote: RS

People who play that loudly shouldn’t be allowed to play.

Hopefully he made a bunch of other errors that Mission didn’t catch.

I feel comfortable saying that he couldn't have made, "A bunch," that I missed. I know DDB well-enough that I wouldn't miss a bunch of errors.

This Mission for reviewing the footage so carefully. I will let the player know about it. Hopefully he will join the forum to respond directly.

The player read over this thread and acknowledges making some errors. He blames being a bit drunk and out of practice. He seems motivated to improve his speed and accuracy and will ping me when he feels he can get to 2,200 hands per hour with minimal errors.

Fastest VP player may be of interest but what is a "good" speed for plowing thru some serious 'coin in' values at a reasonably available VP game?

Quote: FleaStiff

Fastest VP player may be of interest but what is a "good" speed for plowing thru some serious 'coin in' values at a reasonably available VP game?

Most pros seem to play in the dealt 800-1000 HPH range for extended periods of time. If Turbo is available you could move that up to around 1200.

Quote: Wizard

The player read over this thread and acknowledges making some errors. He blames being a bit drunk and out of practice. He seems motivated to improve his speed and accuracy and will ping me when he feels he can get to 2,200 hands per hour with minimal errors.

First of all, you're welcome. Second:

DRUNK!!??

How did he expect to record a video that would put him in contention for the unofficial speed world record drunk!!?? With all due respect to him, I do not feel at all bad about my critique anymore. I don't think I make any VP mistakes drunk that I would not make sober, but I also probably play at less than half of my usual 800-900 HPH.

Someone can't keep up this pace for very long without making major mistakes. You can see many times where he holds and then un-holds. I only briefly watched. I see he almost held a 4 flush over a 3 card Royal. Not a big deal, however, I can see a situation where he would make a big mistake if he kept up that pace.

Quote: AxelWolf

Someone can't keep up this pace for very long without making major mistakes. You can see many times where he holds and then un-holds. I only briefly watched. I see he almost held a 4 flush over a 3 card Royal. Not a big deal, however, I can see a situation where he would make a big mistake if he kept up that pace.

If you mean the AQ10 one, the four-flush (with the eight) actually would have been the correct hold.

He did go on to make a few VERY big mistakes.

Quote: Mission146

If you mean the AQ10 one, the four-flush (with the eight) actually would have been the correct hold.

He did go on to make a few VERY big mistakes.

Correct or not, it's a moot point. I was saying that his hesitation, hold, un-hold and then hold on that hand indicated that, at that speed, he would make some major mistakes going forward.


This is why I have never been that impressed with the speed of a player. I would rather see a happy medium of speed and accuracy.

The only time I can think of where speed is a factor is video poker progressives. Even with that, you're better off just playing with partners and splitting the action, unless it's a low progressive like 4 aces or something. Playing for a royal in one session is a pretty horrible experience.

I can still do >2600/hour with 0% error rate ;-)

I was busy with poker (actual poker) last WSOP but maybe this upcoming one will provide the opportunity.