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October 9th, 2017 at 12:48:43 PM permalink
I have done four media interviews about the Vegas shooting and one thing that the interviewers seem incredible is my assertion that some highly skilled video poker players can play 1,000 hands per hour accurately, or more. Personally, my speed would impress nobody but I'm also 52 years old.

What I'm looking is somebody who can at least play close to 1,000 hand per hour (HPH) to establish some kind of record to beat. You can play any form of video poker you like, including two machines. I will just stand back and record the play on my iPhone. Later I will take it home and study every hand for accuracy as well as take a count of hands. Some kind of penalty will apply to any hands played incorrectly, according to the degree of lost EV in the error. I will allow anyone interested to remain anonymous. I am willing to pay something in return for allowing me to post the video on YouTube. Play must be done on a Game King (edited).

Who is up for the challenge?
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October 9th, 2017 at 12:53:53 PM permalink
What is the requirement for accuracy of play? Otherwise it would be a contest of who can mash the Draw button the fastest.

Edit: Just saw the bit about the penalty depending on cost of errors, but I would still like to know more details.
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October 9th, 2017 at 1:35:45 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Play must be done on a Game Maker.



Really? Hopefully you mean a Game King as I don't know anyone that plays Game Maker's anymore.
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October 9th, 2017 at 2:06:31 PM permalink
Guy I run into at SP and Red Rock can play two machines like he's Rick Wakeman playing a solo instrumental. I'd guess he can do 1200 hands an hour, but have no idea how accurate he is.
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October 9th, 2017 at 2:09:54 PM permalink
You mean this might finally happen? I've been wondering for years why no did this.
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October 9th, 2017 at 2:22:32 PM permalink
Yes, Game King is what I meant.

As far as an accuracy penalty, I'm thinking I would deduct 5.8 hands from the total played for every 1% in lost EV due to errors.

Where do I come up with 5.8, you might ask. 10-7 double bonus is a 100%+ game that can still be found at low levels. The player advantage with perfect play is 0.1725%. So it takes 580 hands to gain one hand of profit. I would look at errors as if playing that game, where it would take 5.8 hands to recoup every 1% of error.

Let me emphasize that the player can play any conventional video poker game.

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You mean this might finally happen? I've been wondering for years why no did this.



I know a lot of skilled video poker players but they all say the same thing, "I wish you had asked when x years ago, when I was in my prime." Geography has also been an impediment as I've had some interested and worthy people express interest but they live far from Vegas.
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October 9th, 2017 at 2:35:06 PM permalink
Hmm, so is that to say if you make a mistake that costs less than 1% on a hand it doesn't bother? OR are you saying for every 1% of total mistakes made you'll deduct 5.8 hands? I know fairly advanced strategy, but I guarantee Bob Dancer or other VP pros would roll there eyes here and there. I also presume this is on a single line machine. I feel as though I can accurately play 1,000 hands per hour. On some of the machine plays we've done we've ever intentionally not played as fast as possible for reasons, or we had a really nice edge and we decided to get extra hands rather than worry about a few of the finer detailed plays. Thus, I've 'tried' to play as perfect as I can while playing fast but I've never stopped to look hands up in those situations. If you just want a guinea pig that can play 1,000 hands per hour I'll throw my hat in the ring. Though, I'd imagine you could always give Bob a call and ask for 1 small hour of his time to set the fastest known record! =D

p.s. didn't get a chance to hear your interview on KFI... is there a link/thread?!?! I'm heading out so forgive me for not scanning through the threads right now!
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October 9th, 2017 at 3:04:17 PM permalink
Do you have to play for a full hour? What if you played 170 hands in 10 minutes? What if you hit a jackpot? Is a bonus applied as compensation while waiting for an attendant?

With the advent of 100 play machines, is single play speed as important nowadays?
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October 9th, 2017 at 3:50:15 PM permalink
Quote: Ayecarumba

Do you have to play for a full hour? What if you played 170 hands in 10 minutes? What if you hit a jackpot? Is a bonus applied as compensation while waiting for an attendant?

With the advent of 100 play machines, is single play speed as important nowadays?

NVM 100 play. Super fast speed and Flash credits go faster than one can play.
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October 9th, 2017 at 4:11:52 PM permalink
Quote: Romes

Hmm, so is that to say if you make a mistake that costs less than 1% on a hand it doesn't bother? OR are you saying for every 1% of total mistakes made you'll deduct 5.8 hands? I know fairly advanced strategy, but I guarantee Bob Dancer or other VP pros would roll there eyes here and there. I also presume this is on a single line machine. I feel as though I can accurately play 1,000 hands per hour. On some of the machine plays we've done we've ever intentionally not played as fast as possible for reasons, or we had a really nice edge and we decided to get extra hands rather than worry about a few of the finer detailed plays. Thus, I've 'tried' to play as perfect as I can while playing fast but I've never stopped to look hands up in those situations. If you just want a guinea pig that can play 1,000 hands per hour I'll throw my hat in the ring. Though, I'd imagine you could always give Bob a call and ask for 1 small hour of his time to set the fastest known record! =D



I'm going to put you down as an interested party. Let's continue this by text or PM.

To answer someone else's question, no, you don't have to play for a full hour. I'm thinking about five minutes would be good.

As for the error penalty, let me give you an example:

Hands played: 85
Time played: 5 minutes
Only error: 4h, 7s, 9s, Js, Ah on deal. Player holds Js, Ah.

EV of holding Js Ah = 0.478261
EV of holding 7s, 9s, Js = 0.540241
Cost of error = 0.061980.

As a reminder, I deduct 5.8 hands for every 1% of error. So the deduction here is 5.8*6.1980 = 35.9484 hands.

Thus total hands is reduced to 85-35.9484 = 49.0516. That equates to playing at a rate of only 589 per hour. Without the error it would have been 1,020.

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p.s. didn't get a chance to hear your interview on KFI... is there a link/thread?!?! I'm heading out so forgive me for not scanning through the threads right now!



I doubt there is any record of it.
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