VP games that avg a Royal every 35k hands?
JoB, bp and ddb has a Royal every 40k hands.
Double Joker is ~43.5k.
full pay DW is 45.5k hands.
10/7 DB is 47.6k hands. wow...
99.9% Pick'em is 333k. WOW!!!
So what popular games avg a Royal every 35k hands?
what? A pick'em.poker Royal is more like 350k not 35kQuote: 100xOddsJoB, bp and ddb has a Royal every 40k hands.
Double Joker is ~43.5k.
full pay DW is 45.5k hands.
10/7 DB is 47.6k hands. wow...
Pick'em is once every 33k hands (but I cant find that game anymore).
What popular games avg a Royal every 35k hands?
Quote: AxelWolfwhat? A pick'em.poker Royal is more like 350k not 35k
whoops.. misread decimal point.
will fix OP.
thx
"...eliminating one possible card from a 52-card deck, odds are much closer to those on five-card stud poker than on five-card draw. Royal flushes occur an average of once per 315,818 hands, instead of the once per 40,000 or so on five-card draw games..."
Shockwave poker also has a bonus that will pay the occasional 4oak as a royal.
Quote: rsactuary...Shockwave poker also has a bonus that will pay the occasional 4oak as a royal.
I don't see many people play this game, but a guy hit the 4000 coin quad on it last week on his third hand in Shockwave move.
Didn't you find it odd that a Royal on pick'em poker could be lower than a 5 card draw game?Quote: 100xOddswhoops.. misread decimal point.
will fix OP.
thx
Quote: IbeatyouracesI don't see many people play this game, but a guy hit the 4000 coin quad on it last week on his third hand in Shockwave move.
I've done it 5 times. Love the game, but can't find a decent paytable in Vegas or New Orleans. (the only cities I've seen them in)
Quote: rsactuaryI've done it 5 times. Love the game, but can't find a decent paytable in Vegas or New Orleans. (the only cities I've seen them in)
I think only Greektown has it here. It's 7/5 & 8/5.
Quote: IbeatyouracesI think only Greektown has it here. It's 7/5 & 8/5.
95.71% and 97.34% respectively. blech
Quote: rsactuary95.71% and 97.34% respectively. blech
Just had quad 6's & Q's seven hands apart on 9/6 JoB....how ironic...bleh.
every since SW first came out I always notice if I would've had a SW 4oak. Unforunatly or fortunatlly I have never really had a long play on SW. It's doubtful I have even got in 1/3 of a cycle on that game.Quote: IbeatyouracesJust had quad 6's & Q's seven hands apart on 9/6 JoB....how ironic...bleh.
Quote: 100xOddsI calc a vp game yesterday that avg a royal every 35k hands but I don't remember which, and I cant find it. :(
So what popular games avg a Royal every 35k hands?
I pumped through the 900+ game/pay-table combos I have readily available and found the following with a Royal cycle of 35K or less (Game, EV, Royal Cycle):
Double Double Bonus 0.990571 32454.3
Double Bonus Double Jackpot 1.00095 32927.7
Double Royal Deluxe 0.990571 32454.3
Double Royal Deluxe 0.979891 32453.5
plus all the Super Hand games.
The 5 Dimes Online Casinos have some weird pay-tables that give good cycle times:
5Dimes Jacks or Better 0.999648 31074.2
5Dimes Jacks or Better 0.999993 32214.6
5Dimes Jacks or Better 0.996502 23080.7
5Dimes Deuces Wild 0.999023 24358.7
5Dimes Double Dbl Bonus 0.999447 34872
5Dimes Aces and Eights 0.999824 23319.4
5Dimes Joker Poker (Kings) 0.997446 26755
And the .9898 game has a RF cycle of 40,800 hands.
RSF: 1600
SF: 50
4 A 234 400
4 234 A-4 160
4 A 5-K 160
4 234 5-K 80
4 5-K 50
FH 8
FL 5
STR 4
3K 3
2Pair 1
JorB 1
Quote: IbeatyouracesI don't think 8/5 DDB is 99% unless I'm missing something there.
RF is 8000 for five coins in his table
Quote: rsactuaryRF is 8000 for five coins in his table
Then I was missing something. :-)
Quote: IbeatyouracesThen I was missing something. :-)
As per usual. :-)
Quote: RSAs per usual. :-)
Yeah, I'm going blind in my old age. :-)~
Quote: GWAEYou know what they say causes blindness?
A hot, sharp knife will do the trick.
Or maybe royal hunt.
Both have extra features pushing more Royals than usual.
Quote: JBYou could generate the strategy that would apply if the royal pays twice what it actually does, and use that strategy. If you do this with 9/6 Jacks, the long-term return is 99.42% and the royal occurs every 32,744 hands on average. For recreational play, I don't think this is too terrible, but APs will likely scoff at it.
Meh. I'd rather play a strategy as if the RF is worth 1/2 or 1/4 of the true payout, increasing the cycle, to cut down on variance....assuming it doesn't do much harm to the return.
Playing .25 or below might be ok under them conditions sure, but if you start doing that on higher denominations and it generates more taxable jackpots at a loss you're now sitting on a triple whammy. Loss of Value from the play, more tax complications and more if you actually tip.Quote: JBYou could generate the strategy that would apply if the royal pays twice what it actually does, and use that strategy. If you do this with 9/6 Jacks, the long-term return is 99.42% and the royal occurs every 32,744 hands on average. For recreational play, I don't think this is too terrible, but APs will likely scoff at it.
Quote: AxelWolfPlaying .25 or below might be ok under them conditions sure, but if you start doing that on higher denominations and it generates more taxable jackpots at a loss you're now sitting on a triple whammy. Loss of Value from the play, more tax complications and more if you actually tip.
"Tipping $3 for 2 drinks, ARE YOU INSANE? Take a dollar back!"
Quote: AxelWolfPlaying .25 or below might be ok under them conditions sure, but if you start doing that on higher denominations and it generates more taxable jackpots at a loss you're now sitting on a triple whammy. Loss of Value from the play, more tax complications and more if you actually tip.
Good point. I should have said "for low-denomination recreational play".
Quote: rsactuaryI've done it 5 times. Love the game, but can't find a decent paytable in Vegas or New Orleans. (the only cities I've seen them in)
Ellis Island has full pay 12/8/5 Shockwave (99.55%) now from nickels to $5. Played a bit of it last month. I was certain I was going into shockwave mode with this hand since it would have been a $6.25 slap in the face....lol
Quote: AxelWolfevery since SW first came out I always notice if I would've had a SW 4oak. Unforunatly or fortunatlly I have never really had a long play on SW. It's doubtful I have even got in 1/3 of a cycle on that game.
Only shockwave-like quad I know for sure I got was at McCarran, I got back to back there. Might have got it done at Ameristar St. Charles too, I had four quads in about 10 minutes there once.
Quote: RSMeh. I'd rather play a strategy as if the RF is worth 1/2 or 1/4 of the true payout, increasing the cycle, to cut down on variance....assuming it doesn't do much harm to the return.
If the flush is 6 for 1, it won't change a lot. 9/6 JoB were 4 to a flush is always held vs. 3 to a Royal is 99.53% assuming no other changes. Royal cycle moves from 1 in 40,390.5 for optimal play to 43,278.5,
Quote: GaryJKoehlerIt is a strange one:
RSF: 1600
SF: 50
4 A 234 400
4 234 A-4 160
4 A 5-K 160
4 234 5-K 80
4 5-K 50
FH 8
FL 5
STR 4
3K 3
2Pair 1
JorB 1
Ameristar KC is the only place I've seen this game. They still have it.
As for "gimmick games", Dream Card, Royal Hunt, Chase the Royal are well under 35k.
Possibly new games Split Card, Peek and Play, Super Hand Poker apply as well.
Quote: tringlomaneEllis Island has full pay 12/8/5 Shockwave (99.55%) now from nickels to $5. Played a bit of it last month. I was certain I was going into shockwave mode with this hand since it would have been a $6.25 slap in the face....lol
Slightly off topic, but interesting tidbit.... I got dealt a four of a kind in shockwave mode and it auto-held all five cards!
Quote: rsactuarySlightly off topic, but interesting tidbit.... I got dealt a four of a kind in shockwave mode and it auto-held all five cards!
Of course, machine knows there's a chance to draw the 5'th card which would cause a demonstration for the machine.
Wtf not demonstration, the other word that sounds like it.
Quote: rsactuarySlightly off topic, but interesting tidbit.... I got dealt a four of a kind in shockwave mode and it auto-held all five cards!
Not surprised. I think IGT machines auto-hold all dealt max wins. The also means it won't hold a dealt natural royal on Deuces+Joker as 5 wilds pays 10,000 coins. A forum member on videopoker.com claimed that happened to him.
Quote: AxelWolfThere's a shock wave payable that pays more for the flush it's like 8 coints per 1 bet. That version is not easy to play correct strategy.
Any shockwave paytable typically worth playing pays 40 coins for the flush. Strategy is quite difficult on the game. I was holding a lot of 3 to flushes while playing the "full pay" version last month.
Here is optimal strategy in normal mode. You're supposed to hold 2 to a straight flush with no gaps too.
https://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/strategy/a-1-b-74-c-1-d-0-d-1-d-1-d-3-d-5-d-8-d-12-d-42.19257-d-100-d-800/
The game would have probably been a bigger success if quads paid 50 for 1 each and full pay was 11/6/4 (99.79%). If you reduced the straight flush to 50 for 1 from 100 for 1, then it would be 99.22%.
Quote: tringlomaneEllis Island has full pay 12/8/5 Shockwave (99.55%) now from nickels to $5. Played a bit of it last month. I was certain I was going into shockwave mode with this hand since it would have been a $6.25 slap in the face....lol
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Got this today:
In Shockwave mode (10 hands) I got a couple pairs that did not improve. Held one ace and drew 2 more for a little excitement. No 4000 coin Shockwave quad for me...
