The worst IGT video keno I've ever seen
If I see 3-4-70-1600, I know it's 92% return. That seems to be the most common pay schedule on IGT Game Kings. Sometimes it will show a little better, like 3-4-75-1600, or sometimes 3-4-75-1660.
Today I found a bank of older IGT Game Kings with a 6-spot pay of 3-4-60-1500. Wow! I've NEVER seen that before. Maybe I just haven't looked at enough of them. That's an 88%er. Talk about tight, that's squeekin. Why would the manufacturer even offer a setting like that? It's criminal. I thought I had seen it all before, but I guess not.
Go ahead and assume, but you can never be absolutely positive. I actually found 9-6 Jacks-or-Better on these. Go figure.
was this in NV?Quote: bobbartopI often make it a point to check the pay on the 6-spot of a straight video keno game on a multi-game machine. That's straight keno, no power balls, no cavemen, no pterodactyls. Naturally I don't know all the pay schedules by heart so I just look at the 6-spot and hope it will give me a rough idea of how tight this machine or casino is.
If I see 3-4-70-1600, I know it's 92% return. That seems to be the most common pay schedule on IGT Game Kings. Sometimes it will show a little better, like 3-4-75-1600, or sometimes 3-4-75-1660.
Today I found a bank of older IGT Game Kings with a 6-spot pay of 3-4-60-1500. Wow! I've NEVER seen that before. Maybe I just haven't looked at enough of them. That's an 88%er. Talk about tight, that's squeekin. Why would the manufacturer even offer a setting like that? It's criminal. I thought I had seen it all before, but I guess not.
Go ahead and assume, but you can never be absolutely positive. I actually found 9-6 Jacks-or-Better on these. Go figure.
Quote: AxelWolfwas this in NV?
No sir, an Indian joint in California.
Quote: bobbartopNo sir, an Indian joint in California.
Far fewer return standards in indian casinos.
Quote: bobbartop
If I see 3-4-70-1600, I know it's 92% return. That seems to be the most common pay schedule on IGT Game Kings. Sometimes it will show a little better, like 3-4-75-1600, or sometimes 3-4-75-1660.
Another frequent table I see is 1-0-0-1-14-62-300, where you get a bet back if no numbers hit. Even this one pencils in at 92% and change.
I used to play on a progressive from another manufacturer that only made machines for the Indian Casino industry. The 6-spot on that was 2-12-87-400. Still 92% and change. From my experience 92% seems very common, and that's why I was surprised to see the one at 88%.
By the way, the 3-4-75-1660 is actually 94.98%, not too shabby as far as non-progressive keno goes. I see this schedule often enough, but usually at dollars or higher.
Quote: SAMIAMI am shocked! Next thing you know, BJ will only pay 6/5. Don't say I didn't warn you.
On machines? 😍😍😍😍
I mentioned that I haven't paid a lot of attention to video keno, it's not like I have been studying pay schedules since I was 10 years old. I thought it was interesting to find a pay table so low, maybe not. lol I mean, I would not be surprised to look at a Jacks-or-better game and find "6-5", but I WOULD be surprised if it was "5-5". Really surprised!
Quote: smoothgrhI'm currently at a California casino with that same paytable. It's Jacks or Better is 6-5 for 25 cents and 7-5 for $1 denominations.
Don't play it.
Quote: bobbartopNot sure what warranted the sarcasm from Sam, I guess it was my stupidity. That's ok, sometimes I like to laugh at stupid people too.
I mentioned that I haven't paid a lot of attention to video keno, it's not like I have been studying pay schedules since I was 10 years old. I thought it was interesting to find a pay table so low, maybe not. lol I mean, I would not be surprised to look at a Jacks-or-better game and find "6-5", but I WOULD be surprised if it was "5-5". Really surprised!
Quote: RS
94.5391%
Quote: RS
Omg, I was just kidding. A 5-5 BDlx? lol That's crazy. How can they offer such a setting?
Thanks for the picture.
Quote: bobbartopOmg, I was just kidding. A 5-5 BDlx? lol That's crazy. How can they offer such a setting?
Thanks for the picture.
Even worse, someone actually played it. Casino execs are laughing all the way!
And a 50¢ denomination to boot. Something I'd expect on a 1¢ game.
Quote: RogerKintI'm seeing Bonus Poker that pays 1 for two pair more often. That's gotta be sub 90%
I've seen this in bars frequently and is probably what you're talking about.
1-1-3-5-8-10-25-40-80-50-800
It's 94.18%. It fools me at first because my eyes go to the "8-5", and then they focus. I guess there are worse schedules with 1 for two pair but I have never seen them.
Quote: bobbartopQuote: RS
Omg, I was just kidding. A 5-5 BDlx? lol That's crazy. How can they offer such a setting?
Thanks for the picture.
I'll give you ONE GUESS as to who played the game. :)
Quote: Ibeatyouraces94.5391%
96.84% **
Quote: Ibeatyouraces
IBYA gettin' schooled son. ;-)
Ok, I was just wondering because we just happened to be on a play and they to had 88% keno, I was thinking perhaps you had stumbled on the same thing because that's the first time I heard of 88% keno so I thought what a strange quinkidink you just happen to mention 88% keno, I'm sure it's everywhere, however I wouldn't really be paying that close of attention unless I had a specific reason to do so.Quote: bobbartopNo sir, an Indian joint in California.
I actually took a shot at the keno with great success.
Quote: RSQuote: Ibeatyouraces
IBYA gettin' schooled son. ;-)
Are you sure you have two pair paying 1:1? I notice you conveniently cut that part off :-)
Edit. I checked with 2 pair paying 2:1. That's 100.7. Can't be that. If I'm wrong, then the Wizards game return calculator is wrong.
Quote: bobbartopWhy would the manufacturer even offer a setting like that? It's criminal. I thought I had seen it all before, but I guess not.
Most keno machines offer a variety of preset paytables. Slots can be adjusted as well. It stands to reason that there would be a wide range of such paytables offered. Now, most of the time, a given casino wouldn't opt for the tightest setting, because of the "shear the sheep, don't kill them" factor. But that doesn't mean that nobody will do that. My point is that there are extremes in the paybacks/paytables offered by the manufacturer because it's trivial to embed them in the software, so they might as well enable somebody to offer a really tight game--or a really loose one, if they wish.
I've seen a 96% paytable (I only calculated the 4/5/6 spots) in a small casino in Reno. Also, if you remember the Wheel of Fortune puzzle slots (which were wongable), I saw a slot tech in a Black Hawk, CO casino bring up a menu that said "90.2%, 91.4%," etc. He changed the setting from whatever it had been to 97.1%. I don't know if those were IGT machines, but I'd hazard a guess that most major manufacturers' slots can be set to a payoff of up to 97%.
Quote: IbeatyouracesQuote: RSQuote: Ibeatyouraces
IBYA gettin' schooled son. ;-)
Are you sure you have two pair paying 1:1? I notice you conveniently cut that part off :-)
Edit. I checked with 2 pair paying 2:1. That's 100.7. Can't be that. If I'm wrong, then the Wizards game return calculator is wrong.
I get the same 94% using the strategy maker as well:
Quote: IbeatyouracesAre you sure you have two pair paying 1:1? I notice you conveniently cut that part off :-)
Edit. I checked with 2 pair paying 2:1. That's 100.7. Can't be that. If I'm wrong, then the Wizards game return calculator is wrong.
Ah, this is too much fun for me. And yes you're wrong.
Edit: Don't use the strategy maker.
Quote: RSAh, this is too much fun for me. And yes you're wrong.
Edit: Don't use the strategy maker.
I don't care who's right or wrong. I want to know where the error is!
Quote: IbeatyouracesI don't care who's right or wrong. I want to know where the error is!
Patience, young paladin.
https://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/tables/bonus-poker-deluxe
Quote: IbeatyouracesI can't be wrong. Even 6/5 is only 95.36%
https://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/tables/bonus-poker-deluxe
Wanna bet? ;-)
Quote: RSWanna bet? ;-)
You've been talking to Singer too much. I think he's brainwashed you. You're incorrect and you know it.
I don't know what you two are going on about but wondering if there's some bonus feature or something. Obviously if you run it straight up as 5/5 bonus poker deluxe it will show the 94%Quote: IbeatyouracesYou've been talking to Singer too much. I think he's brainwashed you. You're incorrect and you know it.
Quote: AxelWolfI don't know what you two are going on about but wondering if there's some bonus feature or something. Obviously if you run it straight up as 5/5 bonus poker deluxe it will show the 94%
Way to ruin my fun! :-(
It was just a guess I don't know what game it would be or why it doesn't appear.Quote: RSWay to ruin my fun! :-(
I just didn't think you would make that big of a mistake and stand by it but I have seen IBYA make an obvious mistake. I couldn't see how he was wrong on this one, yet I didn't think you were either. What game is it? Hopefully ill never have to play it unless it's super duper juicy promotion, because thatpay-tablee looks rough, even a 8/6 deluxe can be brutal.
Quote: AxelWolfIt was just a guess I don't know what game it would be or why it doesn't appear.
I just didn't think you would make that big of a mistake and stand by it but I have seen IBYA make an obvious mistake. I couldn't see how he was wrong on this one, yet I didn't think you were either. What game is it? Hopefully ill never have to play it unless it's super duper juicy promotion, because thatpay-tablee looks rough, even a 8/6 deluxe can be brutal.
He wasn't saying "I" was wrong. He was saying that the Wizards calculators were wrong. I was only showing the results given by those calculators.
Quote: IbeatyouracesHe wasn't saying "I" was wrong. He was saying that the Wizards calculators were wrong. I was only showing the results given by those calculators.
I am LOST. And it's my thread. lol
Quote: bobbartopI am LOST. And it's my thread. lol
Then just skip our posts. ;-)
Quote: bobbartopI've seen this in bars frequently and is probably what you're talking about.
1-1-3-5-8-10-25-40-80-50-800
It's 94.18%. It fools me at first because my eyes go to the "8-5", and then they focus. I guess there are worse schedules with 1 for two pair but I have never seen them.
10/8/5/3/3/1 Bonus is a PITA strategy too. Casinos should be ashamed of that one. One of my locals has this at the bar with a painfully slow progressive (0.05 or 0.1%). And you have to buy beer in Missouri! Sheesh!
As for the original topic, I also have seen 88% "gimmick keno" a lot, I don't really check standard keno paytables much.
Quote: bobbartopQuote: RS
Omg, I was just kidding. A 5-5 BDlx? lol That's crazy. How can they offer such a setting?
Thanks for the picture.
When it's a game called "Trade Up Poker" and that sneaky cat in RS's avatar fails to point that out. Lol. Note there is a button at the bottom that says "always trade up".
Quote: IbeatyouracesThanks Tring. Did not see that. Went and looked and for THAT game, he's correct. Still sucks though.
That's all I had to hear. :)
Thanks tringlomane & axel for letting IDMP know what it was. I was hoping it'd drive him crazy....argh!
Quote: RSQuote: IbeatyouracesThanks Tring. Did not see that. Went and looked and for THAT game, he's correct. Still sucks though.
That's all I had to hear. :)
Thanks tringlomane & axel for letting IDMP know what it was. I was hoping it'd drive him crazy....argh!
Nah. I figured there had to be a catch somewhere. :-)
Quote: onenickelmiracleMountaineer has this 8-5-4-3-1-1 setting. I'm sure they've fooled a lot of people. Still if the game plays legit, still a better return than any other machine in the casino with odds capped at 95% return by statute.
I strongly believe that only applies to the parlors, Mountaineer is probably the only WV casino not to have any machines at 95%+.
