bobbartop
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August 5th, 2016 at 5:22:47 PM permalink
I often make it a point to check the pay on the 6-spot of a straight video keno game on a multi-game machine. That's straight keno, no power balls, no cavemen, no pterodactyls. Naturally I don't know all the pay schedules by heart so I just look at the 6-spot and hope it will give me a rough idea of how tight this machine or casino is.

If I see 3-4-70-1600, I know it's 92% return. That seems to be the most common pay schedule on IGT Game Kings. Sometimes it will show a little better, like 3-4-75-1600, or sometimes 3-4-75-1660.

Today I found a bank of older IGT Game Kings with a 6-spot pay of 3-4-60-1500. Wow! I've NEVER seen that before. Maybe I just haven't looked at enough of them. That's an 88%er. Talk about tight, that's squeekin. Why would the manufacturer even offer a setting like that? It's criminal. I thought I had seen it all before, but I guess not.

Go ahead and assume, but you can never be absolutely positive. I actually found 9-6 Jacks-or-Better on these. Go figure.
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Mission146
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August 5th, 2016 at 6:44:12 PM permalink
I stand as an exception to the Rule, though if it were for nickels I probably still wouldn't care very much, but I would suggest that most video keno players are unconcerned with the return of the game. At best, they might recognize that the top jackpot is lower, but I doubt most of them would notice that. Quite frankly, I've often wondered why video keno usually returns in the 90's (though I am glad it does) as opposed to the high-80's rather than the other way around.
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August 5th, 2016 at 7:16:34 PM permalink
Quote: bobbartop

I often make it a point to check the pay on the 6-spot of a straight video keno game on a multi-game machine. That's straight keno, no power balls, no cavemen, no pterodactyls. Naturally I don't know all the pay schedules by heart so I just look at the 6-spot and hope it will give me a rough idea of how tight this machine or casino is.

If I see 3-4-70-1600, I know it's 92% return. That seems to be the most common pay schedule on IGT Game Kings. Sometimes it will show a little better, like 3-4-75-1600, or sometimes 3-4-75-1660.

Today I found a bank of older IGT Game Kings with a 6-spot pay of 3-4-60-1500. Wow! I've NEVER seen that before. Maybe I just haven't looked at enough of them. That's an 88%er. Talk about tight, that's squeekin. Why would the manufacturer even offer a setting like that? It's criminal. I thought I had seen it all before, but I guess not.

Go ahead and assume, but you can never be absolutely positive. I actually found 9-6 Jacks-or-Better on these. Go figure.

was this in NV?
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bobbartop
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August 5th, 2016 at 7:29:58 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

was this in NV?



No sir, an Indian joint in California.
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August 6th, 2016 at 12:41:30 AM permalink
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No sir, an Indian joint in California.



Far fewer return standards in indian casinos.
bobbartop
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August 6th, 2016 at 4:25:54 PM permalink
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If I see 3-4-70-1600, I know it's 92% return. That seems to be the most common pay schedule on IGT Game Kings. Sometimes it will show a little better, like 3-4-75-1600, or sometimes 3-4-75-1660.



Another frequent table I see is 1-0-0-1-14-62-300, where you get a bet back if no numbers hit. Even this one pencils in at 92% and change.

I used to play on a progressive from another manufacturer that only made machines for the Indian Casino industry. The 6-spot on that was 2-12-87-400. Still 92% and change. From my experience 92% seems very common, and that's why I was surprised to see the one at 88%.

By the way, the 3-4-75-1660 is actually 94.98%, not too shabby as far as non-progressive keno goes. I see this schedule often enough, but usually at dollars or higher.
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SAMIAM
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August 6th, 2016 at 4:31:41 PM permalink
I am shocked! Next thing you know, BJ will only pay 6/5. Don't say I didn't warn you.
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August 7th, 2016 at 12:34:24 AM permalink
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I am shocked! Next thing you know, BJ will only pay 6/5. Don't say I didn't warn you.



On machines? 😍😍😍😍
bobbartop
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August 7th, 2016 at 6:41:31 AM permalink
Not sure what warranted the sarcasm from Sam, I guess it was my stupidity. That's ok, sometimes I like to laugh at stupid people too.

I mentioned that I haven't paid a lot of attention to video keno, it's not like I have been studying pay schedules since I was 10 years old. I thought it was interesting to find a pay table so low, maybe not. lol I mean, I would not be surprised to look at a Jacks-or-better game and find "6-5", but I WOULD be surprised if it was "5-5". Really surprised!
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August 8th, 2016 at 8:38:55 AM permalink
I'm currently at a California casino with that same paytable—in the high limit area! In another area of the casino, they have 6-5 Jacks or Better for 25 cents and 7-5 for $1 denominations.
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