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cwazy
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May 30th, 2016 at 6:38:26 PM permalink
I got an offer from Red Rock, saying that they will give me $1000 freeplay for earning 100,000 points. I believe they give 1 point for $1 coin-in, so I need $100,000 coin in. I have very little experience with video poker and would likely play very slowly, looking at Bob Dancer strategy cards most of the way. I figure the only way I could even come close to that with reasonable variance on a 3 day trip would be on a 100 Play machine, if the edge on it is less than 1%. Does anybody know what the edge is on their 100-play, or have a suggestion as to what game would be better?
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May 30th, 2016 at 6:46:21 PM permalink
Even if you find a 100 play machine with a good pay table the offer itself is worthless if you are strictly playing for that offer , when you take the variance into account even on a jacks it Better paytable it's not really worth playing it
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May 30th, 2016 at 6:59:12 PM permalink
Quote: Wizardofnothing

Even if you find a 100 play machine with a good pay table the offer itself is worthless if you are strictly playing for that offer , when you take the variance into account even on a jacks it Better paytable it's not really worth playing it



OK, thanks. It's essentially 1% back. I thought that was pretty strong for VP, as a I consistently hear people talking about edges on VP of like 0.2% etc. I guess you guys have better edges than I thought if 1% is too small to play.
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May 30th, 2016 at 7:01:43 PM permalink
If I had nothing better to do, I'd play it. Just will consume a lot of time.
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May 30th, 2016 at 7:12:05 PM permalink
I agree I would play it- just letting op know that even with a decent payable - it's going to take a while unless you are playing 125 a pull 25 dollar jacks or better or the like- the variance on those games is likely to be more then the value of the coupon if you play a lower denom like 1 dollar you will be there for 20 hours making it a very small hourly.
Not knocking the promotion just saying it's not very profitable but if you are just looking at a slightly plus ev game then go for it- just saying that the result is going to depend on variance as its not something they are going to offer week in and week out
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May 30th, 2016 at 7:14:13 PM permalink
Also, are their "good games" (FPDW, etc.) excluded?
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May 30th, 2016 at 7:19:28 PM permalink
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Also, are their "good games" (FPDW, etc.) excluded?



I don't think anything is excluded.

I know they have a bubble craps machine there with double odds, which would make it reasonable for this, with high limits and the ability to make offsetting bets, but if I recall correctly they have a sign on it saying that it has reduced points earning on it. Anyone know what it takes to earn a point on that?
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May 30th, 2016 at 8:11:39 PM permalink
Quote: cwazy

I don't think anything is excluded.

I know they have a bubble craps machine there with double odds, which would make it reasonable for this, with high limits and the ability to make offsetting bets, but if I recall correctly they have a sign on it saying that it has reduced points earning on it. Anyone know what it takes to earn a point on that?


The better VP is $4 per point, rather than the usual $1 per point. If that's the case on bubble craps, this isn't an advantage play; even $2 per point would make it no longer an advantage play.

If you are unfamiliar with VP, I would discourage you from trying to play 100k points in three days with a very thin edge. Last I checked, everything at Red Rock better than 99.4% was at most $5/hand. As a beginner it is not reasonable to try to play 20000 hands in three days. If you play higher stakes and settle for a 0.2-0.4% edge, you're probably not actually playing with an advantage, because your error rate (even playing slowly and consulting a strategy card) will be higher than that. (If you think that isn't the case, spend several hours playing on a trainer - without breaks - to test yourself first. Frugal Video Poker is a good free trainer that will give your error rate.) Also be prepared for five-figure swings at those stakes.

Overall it's probably a bad idea.
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May 30th, 2016 at 8:28:32 PM permalink
This is what's currently showing on vpfree2 about the players club. Also lists a ton of good 25¢ games. If there isn't much of a time limit to earn this promo, I'd say go for it.



Edit. Just saw the 3 day trip part. That might make it tougher.
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May 30th, 2016 at 10:05:23 PM permalink
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I got an offer from Red Rock, saying that they will give me $1000 freeplay for earning 100,000 points. I believe they give 1 point for $1 coin-in, so I need $100,000 coin in. I have very little experience with video poker and would likely play very slowly, looking at Bob Dancer strategy cards most of the way. I figure the only way I could even come close to that with reasonable variance on a 3 day trip would be on a 100 Play machine, if the edge on it is less than 1%. Does anybody know what the edge is on their 100-play, or have a suggestion as to what game would be better?

No it's not a real good AP play, but i would not discount it. It all depends on your Bankroll and risk tolerance. People come to Vegas and put 100k in on -EV stuff, so if you enjoy gambling it's not a bad deal. I don't see anything wrong with doin it. Can you get a better deal some place else? Sure, but you need to find that stuff and this one is staring you in the face. You should get RFB and some future good offers out of it.

FYI you may be able to talk to a host and get more on top of that. I would not even mention the offer I would just ask him what he would give you extra if you were planning on playin 100k in.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪

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