ksdjdj
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March 10th, 2015 at 12:45:47 AM permalink
Hi,

I was playing Pick'em Poker and received the initial draw of 7,King and then King, King, see draw details below

A / B, C / D

7/ K, K / K

let's say i picked C (doesn't really matter since they are both kings)

on the final deal i got 4 of a kind

Just wanted to know if that is normally possible for this game, or if there was a glitch in my favour (or something)

if you need additional info see link below

https://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/tables/pick-em-poker/


thanks
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March 10th, 2015 at 1:50:02 AM permalink
You can't get a four of a kind. One of the kings you need has been discarded.
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March 10th, 2015 at 5:45:03 AM permalink
I'd like to play that machine.
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March 10th, 2015 at 6:19:52 AM permalink
Something tells me this was a Class II machine. (Normally, this should be impossible - and, in fact, illegal in Nevada.)

Where, exactly, was this machine located?
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March 10th, 2015 at 10:33:29 AM permalink
I guess it's possible that the cards drawn are not restricted to the 48 left, and that the 2 discards are mixed back into the draw. I realize the Wizard has it specifically listed as "the 48 remaining", but he didn't write the program, and may have been given bad info on the draw pool. Not likely, but certainly possible.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
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March 10th, 2015 at 10:04:29 PM permalink
Quote: ThatDonGuy

Something tells me this was a Class II machine. (Normally, this should be impossible - and, in fact, illegal in Nevada.)

Where, exactly, was this machine located?



Yeah this would be important.

This shouldn't happen in a "standard" game.
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March 11th, 2015 at 10:07:45 PM permalink
Extra Info:

I meant to mention that the game was 100 hand, but that shouldn't make a difference, right? (since each of the original 'starting hands' had the same cards)
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March 11th, 2015 at 10:13:15 PM permalink
Quote: VPPlayer

You can't get a four of a kind. One of the kings you need has been discarded.



That's what i thought as well.
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March 11th, 2015 at 10:18:16 PM permalink
Quote: ksdjdj

Extra Info:

I meant to mention that the game was 100 hand, but that shouldn't make a difference, right? (since each of the original 'starting hands' had the same cards)



Yeah that means nothing either. You shouldn't be able to make 4 of a kind at all. How many did you make?
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March 11th, 2015 at 10:25:16 PM permalink
Another question

Would the long-term probability still be the same for either 'version' of this game? (I don't know the maths, so I can't verify what is correct for the long-term probability)
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March 11th, 2015 at 10:27:15 PM permalink
Quote: ksdjdj

Another question

Would the long-term probability still be mathematically the same for either 'version' of this game? (I don't know the maths, so I can't verify if this question is correct for the long-term chance)



Assuming the game is run correctly, yes, the long-term percentage return will match the single hand version given identical paytables.

But the variance (bankroll swing) changes with multihand.
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March 11th, 2015 at 10:28:36 PM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

Yeah that means nothing either. You shouldn't be able to make 4 of a kind at all. How many did you make?



Just one
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March 11th, 2015 at 10:30:56 PM permalink
Quote: ksdjdj

Just one



I'm guessing you didn't get a screenshot of this did you? I assume this was online as I have never seen 100-play pickem ever in a land-based casino.
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March 11th, 2015 at 10:41:56 PM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

Assuming the game is run correctly, yes, the long-term percentage return will match the single hand version given identical paytables.

But the variance (bankroll swing) changes with multihand.




Sorry, when i said "either version", i meant the versions below


Version A ('normal' version) The game is played exactly as listed in the rules, see link below:

https://wizardofodds.com/games/video-poker/tables/pick-em-poker/

Version B ('The way it played for me, at least once ') The game seems to be played as to the rules in the link above, except the cards that are not used/picked could be drawn again (including those in the pile that was not picked).
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March 11th, 2015 at 10:46:03 PM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

I'm guessing you didn't get a screenshot of this did you? I assume this was online as I have never seen 100-play pickem ever in a land-based casino.



I did not take a screenshot

I am playing the free version of the game now, to see if I can get it happen again
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March 11th, 2015 at 10:53:38 PM permalink
Quote: ksdjdj

I did not take a screenshot

I am playing the free version of the game now, to see if I can get it happen again



Yeah, any time if you see one of the face up cards repeated under the pile in rank and suit, then there is a problem.
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March 11th, 2015 at 11:16:07 PM permalink
New 'proof'*** of what i said in the original post

proof***: even though I didn't get a four of a kind, I did get a hand with a card repeating in the re-draw/2nd draw (the card at the top of the pile I didn't choose)

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Game details below

Played a 10 hand game, and took some before and after screenshots

In one of those games I got (see below)

A/B, C/D

6S/8H, 10C/5C

I chose C (10 of clubs)

After the redraw, I had the 5 cards as follows

6S, 8H, 10C, 5C, 4C

note: that the 5 of clubs was re-drawn

also note: i decided to play for real money, in case 'the game played differently in free-play mode'

lastly, I need someone to tell me how to post screenshot's, thanks
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March 11th, 2015 at 11:19:50 PM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

Yeah, any time if you see one of the face up cards repeated under the pile in rank and suit, then there is a problem.



I understand you are right,

but I would still like to know if this game's long-term probability is still the same as the rules listed on the WoO website
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March 11th, 2015 at 11:29:03 PM permalink
It won't be the same. It would be more in your favor. To what degree idk.
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March 11th, 2015 at 11:55:29 PM permalink
Quote: rudeboyoi

It won't be the same. It would be more in your favor. To what degree idk.



That's assuming everything else behaves normally. And when you see a gaffe like this, that's a bit questionable.
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March 12th, 2015 at 1:21:16 AM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

That's assuming everything else behaves normally. And when you see a gaffe like this, that's a bit questionable.




If all else is the same, how will it be more in the player's favour over the distance?

It is at one of the more respectable online casino's, but I won't be saying which one atm.

Also, if the edge is different, can someone tell me what the actual edge would be for this 'version' of the game?

Lastly, at this time I won't be posting the screenshots of the game, because if the game is in the player's favour I don't want to tip off the casino about it.

ps I use this game for bonus wagering, so as long as the rtp is better than 99.62%, then i will play it for that purpose.
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March 12th, 2015 at 6:32:02 AM permalink
How can there be a multi line version of pickem? Eight cards are dealt and that's it there is no "draw" every hand would be the same. Somethings fishy.
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March 12th, 2015 at 6:38:18 AM permalink
Quote: pew

How can there be a multi line version of pickem? Eight cards are dealt and that's it there is no "draw" every hand would be the same. Somethings fishy.


It exists, and behaves like standard multi-hand vp. Four cards are dealt to the decision hand, one of which is discarded. For each hand played, the remaining 48 cards are shuffled and two of them are dealt to complete that hand, which is then scored and paid per the paytable.
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March 12th, 2015 at 6:45:52 AM permalink
Quote: JB

It exists, and behaves like standard multi-hand vp. Four cards are dealt to the decision hand, one of which is discarded. For each hand played, the remaining 48 cards are shuffled and two of them are dealt to complete that hand, which is then scored and paid per the paytable.

In a casino? Where?
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March 12th, 2015 at 6:49:14 AM permalink
Quote: pew

In a casino? Where?


I've seen 10-hand Pick 'em at Mohegan Sun. It was a Bally machine.
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March 12th, 2015 at 6:52:21 AM permalink
Just googled it. Ballys ten hand. No hundred though.
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March 12th, 2015 at 6:57:31 AM permalink
Quote: pew

Just googled it. Ballys ten hand. No hundred though.


My apologies, I thought you were asking about any multi-hand Pick 'em, not specifically 100-hand.
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March 12th, 2015 at 3:33:33 PM permalink
Quote: JB

My apologies, I thought you were asking about any multi-hand Pick 'em, not specifically 100-hand.

The number of hands doesn't matter the op said one hundred but I thought any multi wouldn't work but now I get it.
Thank you.
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