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s2dbaker
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June 10th, 2010 at 11:20:26 PM permalink
Hello Wizard of Vegas forum peoples. This is my inaugural post so please be kind. I looked this game up on this forum to see if it had been discussed before. I was disappointed to find no threads so here's my question/topic. I was in Empire City/Yonkers Racino just north of Bronx, NY and spotted this game (pictured below) called Upper Hand Poker. This is a 9/6 Jacks or Better poker game that has two distinctive features that I think should be considered for discussion.

The first feature is the "Upper Hand". Once you draw to your bottom hand, just like any other Jacks or Better video poker game, an additional 5 card stud hand is dealt above. The highest hand then wins. I figure that even with the awful Royal Straight Flush payout (for a quarter), this "feature" would put the racino at a disadvantage. I have no clue how to figure that out, though I may not need to because of feature number 2.

The second feature is "Auto Hold". I had not seen this before. After you're dealt your hand, the machine then suggests which cards to hold. I tried it and it appears to hold the correct cards for you, leaving you pretty much left to hit the deal button over and over until you get bored or run out of money. Does anyone have any insight into the "Auto Hold" method? Does it differ from "optimal" strategy?

I'm going back to Yonkers on Saturday evening 6/12/10 and would like some forum confidence that I'm getting the best bang for my racino buck. I may still lose but at least I'll know something I didn't know as I now press the post button.





If I can, I'll get a snapshot of the help screens and update this thread.
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Robmorrow
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June 10th, 2010 at 11:46:59 PM permalink
What does "pie" mean in the voting?
rudeboyoi
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June 11th, 2010 at 2:10:03 AM permalink
right off the bat, this game is slightly in your favor (100.18%). if you dont have to wager any additional coins, being able to freeroll for a better hand puts this game slightly more in your favor. putting in the paytables times the probability of getting jacks or better on a stud hand, its worth about .33%. of course you have to beat the previous hand so its not gonna be worth anywhere near that much. so the payback for this game is somewhere between 100.18% and 100.51% with it being much closer to the 100.18% value.
DJTeddyBear
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June 11th, 2010 at 5:42:09 AM permalink
I think the Upper Hand feature's benefit would depend upon this being a Class III machine.

If it's Class II, then it's probably worthless.


I.E. Having the Upper Hand feature could simply be a lazy way to design it so that even if you partially throw away a monster hand, you'll get the intended hand - in a different suit.

But with the Auto Hold feature, is that really a problem?




Quote: Robmorrow

What does "pie" mean in the voting?

Ditto!
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cardshark
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June 11th, 2010 at 5:51:41 AM permalink
This reeks of a class II machine, i.e., its not real video poker, its a pull tab (results are predetermined). Not to mention the overly generous 9/6+ paytable which you would never, ever see in a legit racino. The upper hand is a clever way of making sure you get paid the predetermined win no matter what cards you discard.

A good way to test this is to discard a winning hand (3 of a kind or better) and see if it appears on the upper hand. If it does, then you've got a pull-tab on your hands and not a video poker machine.

Beware!
Nareed
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June 11th, 2010 at 8:13:38 AM permalink
There are several gimmick VP machines in Vegas, too. Like multi-strike, super-times pay, pick a pair, ace invaders, dream card and others. I wouldn't be surprised to see this upper hand in Vegas someday.

But you don't see many gimmick VP amchines in the casinos. I guess VP players are serious gamblers who don't fall for gimmicks. Slot players love gimmicks (the more gimmicky a slot, the more people play it), but probably lack the desire to play seriously. Maybe this game would draw slot jockeys, since it even decides for the player. Just pushing the "deal/draw" button sounds a lot like just pushing the "spin" button.
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RichP
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June 11th, 2010 at 8:49:46 AM permalink
None of the New York Racinos have slot machines. They are all video lottery terminals with a 17% house edge. So it's the equivalent of a pull tab game


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s2dbaker
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June 11th, 2010 at 9:20:17 AM permalink
How can I tell (without tossing in a winning hand) if the machine is Class II or Class III and is there a Class I and what is that?

Quote: Robmorrow & DJTeddyBear

What does "pie" mean in the voting?


Everyone loves pie! It's sort of a catch-all/None of the Above/I hate polls but love pie, I put it at the bottom of all polls.
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rudeboyoi
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June 11th, 2010 at 9:35:54 AM permalink
Quote: s2dbaker


Everyone loves pie! It's sort of a catch-all/None of the Above/I hate polls but love pie, I put it at the bottom of all polls.



Everyone?

by law, i think you are now required to post a poll on how many people love pie.

personally i love pie and have always preferred pie over cake.
Nareed
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June 11th, 2010 at 9:56:27 AM permalink
Quote: s2dbaker

How can I tell (without tossing in a winning hand) if the machine is Class II or Class III and is there a Class I and what is that?



You could call or email the casino and ask. If there's something like a gaming comision in the state, you can ask them, too.
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