The LOWEST payback % VP game you've ever found
May 6th, 2014 at 2:16:16 PM
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May 6th, 2014 at 2:31:31 PM
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come on, 94.18% is not too bad at all.
The lowest I saw was a JoB (not any Bonus Poker) with 6/5/4/3/1/1. Paying 1 on two pairs!
Even worse, the royal only pays 400, not 800, even with max bet.
The return just above 81%.
The lowest I saw was a JoB (not any Bonus Poker) with 6/5/4/3/1/1. Paying 1 on two pairs!
Even worse, the royal only pays 400, not 800, even with max bet.
The return just above 81%.
winning streaks come and go, losing streak never ends.
May 6th, 2014 at 2:34:38 PM
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Worst I've seen was 1-2-2-3-4-9-15-25-200-800 Deuces Wild, returning 94.3421%.
May 6th, 2014 at 2:55:01 PM
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Quote: pokerfacecome on, 94.18% is not too bad at all.
The lowest I saw was a JoB (not any Bonus Poker) with 6/5/4/3/1/1. Paying 1 on two pairs!
Even worse, the royal only pays 400, not 800, even with max bet.
The return just above 81%.
Curious to know where this was.
Quote: JBWorst I've seen was 1-2-2-3-4-9-15-25-200-800 Deuces Wild, returning 94.3421%.
All CET Vegas bars offer the 15/10 version of that crap (94.82%).
You have never seen 10/8/5/3/1/1 Bonus before (94.18%) in a casino? I have seen it a lot sadly. :( I have seen 8/5/4 Double Bonus (94.19%) occasionally too. Ironically, 8/5/4 DB is at Hollywood St. Louis for nickels and dimes on one bank, but for quarters, 50c on that same bank it's 9/7/5 DB (99.11%). I usually play 35/8/5 Bonus (99.66%) on that bank instead though.
And to answer the OP, I think 94.18% bonus is the lowest I have seen in an actual casino. I think I have seen worse than that in Illinois bars/restaurants, but I didn't look super closely. Does the D still offer 8/5/4/3/1/1 Bonus at the Long Bar? I know they did for awhile.
May 6th, 2014 at 2:55:44 PM
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My local place 7-5 JoB.
May 6th, 2014 at 3:18:14 PM
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Deadwood has 10/8/5 Bonus Poker in many casinos. The worst VP I have seen is 6/4 JOB where quads paid 15-1 and it took 8 coins for the $1000 royal on quarters. That and other garbage VP games are available on SD video lottery machines.
May 6th, 2014 at 3:27:44 PM
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Borgata has a few 6:5 JoB games. Lowest denom bets though.
10 eyes for an eye. 10 teeth for a tooth. 10 bucks for a buck?! Hit the bad guys where it hurts the most: the face and the wallet.
May 6th, 2014 at 4:06:11 PM
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Duplicate post.
10 eyes for an eye. 10 teeth for a tooth. 10 bucks for a buck?! Hit the bad guys where it hurts the most: the face and the wallet.
May 6th, 2014 at 4:15:08 PM
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And yet some people believed a boycott of 6/5 BJ tables could reverse that when if first started LOL
I have seen back to back banns of 7/5 versus 8/5 JoB video pokers machines. Guess which side was almost always busier ?
I have seen back to back banns of 7/5 versus 8/5 JoB video pokers machines. Guess which side was almost always busier ?
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Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
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May 6th, 2014 at 4:24:42 PM
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May 6th, 2014 at 4:33:34 PM
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Quote: Lemieux66Borgata has a few 6:5 JoB games. Lowest denom bets though.
Mountaineer Casino in Chester, WV, for quarters, and anything less than 20 credits bet and you're short-coining the Royal.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
May 6th, 2014 at 4:37:21 PM
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May 6th, 2014 at 5:04:56 PM
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Foxwoods 1993 had 1-2-3-3-4 Deuces salted in with the 1-2-3-4-4 versions at a Dollar (9-15 both) 96.34% vs. 98.91%.
They also had 6/5 JoB on 50c machines, but most were 7/5. Of course 25c VP was a waste of time 6/5 JoB or 1-2-2-3-4-13-16 on the Deuce.
IIRC the best 25c offering in that day was 7/5 Bonus Poker 98%. They were known for having a few Sigma VP machines usually the console versions. These had odd payouts requiring a different strategy. The one I've posted here before was the 50c Deuces with a 1-2-4-4-4-9-15-25-160-800. Some of these were 100 on the 2222. Never knew if the 160 version was +EV... I figured the 100 version was not.
They also had 6/5 JoB on 50c machines, but most were 7/5. Of course 25c VP was a waste of time 6/5 JoB or 1-2-2-3-4-13-16 on the Deuce.
IIRC the best 25c offering in that day was 7/5 Bonus Poker 98%. They were known for having a few Sigma VP machines usually the console versions. These had odd payouts requiring a different strategy. The one I've posted here before was the 50c Deuces with a 1-2-4-4-4-9-15-25-160-800. Some of these were 100 on the 2222. Never knew if the 160 version was +EV... I figured the 100 version was not.
Some people need to reimagine their thinking.
May 6th, 2014 at 5:08:47 PM
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The 7:5 and 6:5 are IQ tests. You're legit dumb for playing them. It's even worse than a regular slot because those can at least be fun.
10 eyes for an eye. 10 teeth for a tooth. 10 bucks for a buck?! Hit the bad guys where it hurts the most: the face and the wallet.
May 6th, 2014 at 5:12:35 PM
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Didn't someone say there were some really horrible VP pay tables at the D bar or somewhere downtown? I remember thinking I never seen or heard of such a bad pay table.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
May 6th, 2014 at 5:32:07 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfDidn't someone say there were some really horrible VP pay tables at the D bar or somewhere downtown? I remember thinking I never seen or heard of such a bad pay table.
Not there, anyway, the Vue Bar at the D has great paytables.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
May 6th, 2014 at 5:37:03 PM
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I know we talked about this specifically before in a different thread I thought it was 2 machines at some place downtown, I thought it was DRich or you who pointed it out. Possibly the bar downstairs?Quote: Mission146Not there, anyway, the Vue Bar at the D has great paytables.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
May 6th, 2014 at 5:46:06 PM
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Quote: AxelWolfI know we talked about this specifically before in a different thread I thought it was 2 machines at some place downtown, I thought it was DRich or you who pointed it out. Possibly the bar downstairs?
I didn't check those, as I recall.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
May 6th, 2014 at 5:52:16 PM
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Quote: Mission146Not there, anyway, the Vue Bar at the D has great paytables.
The game in question is/was at the long bar 8/5 bonus with a 1 for 1 two pair payout. I didn't check it when I was there though. I really didn't spend the amount of time I wanted to at the D last trip or Fremont St. in general. :(
May 6th, 2014 at 5:53:45 PM
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The D bar at the Longbar is the worst VP I have seen in Las Vegas, or at least was when they first opened it. It was like airport bad. 6/5 DDB and 10/8/5 Bonus ring a bell.
May 7th, 2014 at 12:44:20 PM
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6/5 JoB - McCarran Airport.
May 7th, 2014 at 7:01:02 PM
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May 7th, 2014 at 7:52:02 PM
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Quote: IbeatyouracesWe found an Aces and Eights game where both of those four of a kinds only pay 125 for a max bet instead of 400. Other than that, it was a 7/5 game I believe. I'll get a picture of it tomorrow.
So...4 7's is 250 still? And it's it still called Aces and Eights? I would definitely want to see that.
May 7th, 2014 at 7:55:37 PM
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May 7th, 2014 at 11:03:48 PM
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That's a standard bad game at most places and nothing special to the airport.Quote: 21forme6/5 JoB - McCarran Airport.
If this 7/5 bonus 1 on 2 pair exists down town, I would have to vote that the worst in Vegas I know of.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
May 8th, 2014 at 6:57:29 AM
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May 8th, 2014 at 7:09:21 AM
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Quote: IbeatyouracesHere it is...
That is a truly peculiar find.
May 8th, 2014 at 7:20:42 AM
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May 8th, 2014 at 8:54:42 AM
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Quote: IbeatyouracesYeah. I think someone at IGT goofed.
I would say so. With that paytable, the game ought to be called Sevens instead of Aces and Eights.
May 8th, 2014 at 9:25:35 AM
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May 8th, 2014 at 9:27:41 AM
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Quote: IbeatyouracesAny idea on the payback percentage?
96.8220%. Would be 98.8649% if the Aces and Eights paid 400 like it's supposed to.
May 8th, 2014 at 9:33:57 AM
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Why couldn't they set them all at 250 or 400 instead...lol
Looks so weird with the game titled "Aces and Eights".
Looks so weird with the game titled "Aces and Eights".
May 8th, 2014 at 2:32:45 PM
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May 8th, 2014 at 4:31:37 PM
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Back in 1992, I was in a club in Australia that had VP that paid 1 for 2 pair, 2 for 3 of a kind, and 3 for a straight.
It was pretty much the only game in town, except for the occasional machine that was something like 7/5 but the pair had to be Aces (i.e. a pair of Aces paid 1, but Jacks, Queens, or Kings paid nothing). The last two times I was in Australia - in 2002 and 2011 - neither Sydney's nor Melbourne's main casinos had any VP. (Reportedly, it exists at the casinos in Gold Coast (near Brisbane), and it's pretty much legitimate Jacks or Better.)
It was pretty much the only game in town, except for the occasional machine that was something like 7/5 but the pair had to be Aces (i.e. a pair of Aces paid 1, but Jacks, Queens, or Kings paid nothing). The last two times I was in Australia - in 2002 and 2011 - neither Sydney's nor Melbourne's main casinos had any VP. (Reportedly, it exists at the casinos in Gold Coast (near Brisbane), and it's pretty much legitimate Jacks or Better.)
