Tap House Poker
Every available pay schedule is below 99% :(
Why would IGT restrict the ability of casinos to offer loose games? I don't understand how IGT benefits.
Quote: gpac1377Why would IGT restrict the ability of casinos to offer loose games? I don't understand how IGT benefits.
You would have to ask IGT. I also analyzed Extra Draw Frenzy (also by IGT) recently and that goes up to 99.55%.
Quote: WizardI also analyzed Extra Draw Frenzy (also by IGT) recently and that goes up to 99.55%.
99.55% is better, but for non-degens they're offering very little incentive to play the extra coin, and if I'm understanding correctly, it's another game that fails to disclose information necessary to calculate the return.
But your write-ups on the games are stellar. Wizard of Odds is an amazing resource.
Quote: AlanMike, not necessarily related to this thread, but when you do these [game] analysis', is this something that comes semi-naturally, or do you ever have to scratch your head a bit?
I truly do enjoy analyzing games and think I'm pretty good at it. Off hand, I think the only game where I just threw my hands in the air and said "this one is too hard," was Lunar Poker.
Quote: gpac1377and if I'm understanding correctly, it's another game that fails to disclose information necessary to calculate the return.
You're absolutely right. When I'm the Chairman of the Gaming Control Board I will do my best to implement a regulation stating that the player is entitled to know the full rules of any game offered in Nevada. Until then, you're on your own.
Quote: WizardWhen I'm the Chairman of the Gaming Control Board I will do my best to implement a regulation stating that the player is entitled to know the full rules of any game offered in Nevada. Until then, you're on your own.
Thanks, although I would prefer to envision you as Chairman of International Game Technology, where you would direct the company toward more sensible decisions :)
Quote: gpac1377In before tringlomane :)
Every available pay schedule is below 99% :(
Why would IGT restrict the ability of casinos to offer loose games? I don't understand how IGT benefits.
+1 Just a bad excuse for VP. The Tribal Casinos love this stuff, meh.
Quote: gpac1377In before tringlomane :)
Every available pay schedule is below 99% :(
Haha, I was in Tunica and missed this. Thanks for covering for me!
Quote: WizardYou would have to ask IGT. I also analyzed Extra Draw Frenzy (also by IGT) recently and that goes up to 99.55%.
Fwiw, that's actually an older game than these other 3 bad payout games you reported on (tap house, hyper bonus, ultimate aces). Igt is ticking me off lately with this <99% stuff. I don't like the design of the new VP machines they made for CET either.
Write up looks good though!
Quote: WizardWhen I'm the Chairman of the Gaming Control Board I will do my best to implement a regulation stating that the player is entitled to know the full rules of any game offered in Nevada. Until then, you're on your own.
Now you have $2.4M to lobby for that position. :)
Edit:
IGT's TapHouse page http://www.igt.com/us-en/games/game-page.aspx?type_id=8954&showtab=1
"This game increases coin-in and hands per minute with a high feature frequency that triggers 1 out of 13 hands on non-wild games and 1 out of 21 hands on Deuces Wild games."
1 in 21 for DW games?
then why does it add so much to the base 3play DW game? (base = 97.6%, TapHouse = 98% or 98.3% depending on the version)
Quote: gpac1377
Why would IGT restrict the ability of casinos to offer loose games? I don't understand how IGT benefits.
IGT would create better pay schedules if their was demand for it. The problem is that casinos now look at video poker as a liability as opposed to an asset. They hate providing games with such low margins. They all wish they could just offer video slots that hold 10%-15%.
Quote: DRichIGT would create better pay schedules if their was demand for it. The problem is that casinos now look at video poker as a liability as opposed to an asset. They hate providing games with such low margins. They all wish they could just offer video slots that hold 10%-15%.
I agree generally. :( IGT did add "Hot Roll Poker" this year with the ability of offering 99.96% according to the media sheet. I was surprised. My local casino offers that game with 98.8% bonus deuces for 25c and 50c. The highest nickel game is 97.4%, which is better than many new releases.
Quote: tringlomaneI agree generally. :( IGT did add "Hot Roll Poker" this year with the ability of offering 99.96% according to the media sheet. I was surprised. My local casino offers that game with 98.8% bonus deuces for 25c and 50c. The highest nickel game is 97.4%, which is better than many new releases.
If I'm not mistaken, I believe hot roll poker changes the HE (or return) by nothing. According to the help-pays screen, it said something like:
1/6 chance of "rolling the dice", the average dice roll is 7. Whatever the dice land on is the multiplier for that round. You need to bet an extra 5 credits per line for this to be enabled.
So in other words, 10 lines, 10 credits per line, you have 100 credits bet. A "cycle" is 6 rounds. Every 5/6 rounds you instantly lose 50 credits. One out of 6 rounds, you first lose 50 credits, then get a 7x multiplier (or base + 6x) on the "first" 50 credits.
No roll hands: 5 * -50 = -250
Roll hands: 1 * -50 + 50*6 = -50 + 300 = +250
No roll hands + roll hands = -250 + 250 = 0
I'm not seeing how the return can increase because of this extra bet.
Or are you simply just saying, that there exist games with 99.96% base return on the Hot Roll machines?
Quote: JohnzimboMike, curious how you find these new variations... do you periodically walk the floors of a lot of casinos, or does someone tip you off when they see one, or?
About 90% I find them from just walking the floors and noticing them. I know which casinos tend to put in new games and visit them more frequently. Lately the Rampart casino by my house has been putting in new video poker games so I always bring a camera when I go there and keep my eyes open. Harrah's on the Strip is also a good spot.
Also, I think somewhere somebody commented on the fact that in Tap House, the return is sometimes better for the 3-hand game than the 5-hand and questioned the legality of it. For example, in 8-6 Bonus Poker Deluxe, the return is 98.71% for three-play and 98.60% for five-play.
I'm 99.54% sure this does not violate a Gaming statute that says that the return can't go down if the player makes a max-coin bet to enable an optional feature, compare to the return without the feature. In this case, the 3- and 5-play games are separate games. Much like a 5-cent Jacks or Better game can have a better pay table than a 10-cent Bonus Poker game, so can a 3-play Tap House game pay better than the 5-play version.
Quote: RogerKintMy gf played it at Binions.
Aria (1 unit) is the only other place in Nevada that has it currently. It's not that popular. Surprisingly my local (Hollywood St. Louis) still has it. It's holding on for dear life.
Wilds are fun but Im getting tired of getting $0 in the bonus round. :(
it's even more frustrating when I hold 1 Wild and still get $0 on all 5 bonus lines.
switched to .25 ddb. It's also 98.3% like dw but slighter higher variance.
shocked to find out that only 2 of the 5 lines in the bonus round have multipliers?!?!?!?!?!
in DW, ALL the lines have multipliers.
going to try $1 8/6 JoB next. (at .25 denom, it's 8/5 JoB.)
Quote: FroggerWhere is this game offered? I've never seen it before
I have seen this game at the Horseshoe in Baltimore, MD a few months ago. It was downstairs at one of the bars. I didn't try it as the pay tables did not look any good.
Quote: cmlotitoI have seen this game at the Horseshoe in Baltimore, MD a few months ago. It was downstairs at one of the bars. I didn't try it as the pay tables did not look any good.
ALL the .25 vp games suck there! :(
(although I didn't look at the Extra Draw Frenzy games. I assume they suck since the other games on the All-Star machines suck.)
