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Jamix
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October 4th, 2013 at 8:38:59 AM permalink
Are their any online casinos that offer EV+ deuces wild video poker?
Beethoven9th
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October 4th, 2013 at 10:18:26 AM permalink
Doubt it. How would they make money? (Of course, I could be wrong though)
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Jamix
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October 4th, 2013 at 10:25:27 AM permalink
Quote: Beethoven9th

Doubt it. How would they make money? (Of course, I could be wrong though)



After googling for 15 minutes, the consensus seems to be "only if its a mistake or there is some kind of promotion going on".

Makes sense I guess. Actually video poker in general seems like a HIGH negative EV for all games because 1-2 percent of the return comes from getting
the occasional RF, which only the extremely dedicated or extremely lucky gambler will get.
Beethoven9th
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October 4th, 2013 at 10:35:12 AM permalink
True, a lot of newbies just see the 100%+ payback and don't realize how many hands they may have to play get that elusive royal.
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24Bingo
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October 4th, 2013 at 11:24:55 AM permalink
The Joker Poker on Bovada is technically +EV, but the top hand is about a one in 5 million shot (1 in 5,290,523 for the BS that doesn't take it into account). Not counting that hand, both it and the Pick 'Em Poker on the downloadable client are +EV with points taken into account (although with the latter, that's counting the 1 in 350,000 shot at a royal).
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AxelWolf
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October 4th, 2013 at 12:56:57 PM permalink
Yes they do have a few. Hint: check sport's book casino's for FPDW . Your probably better off bonus hunting. PM me if you want more info on FPDW online.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
24Bingo
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October 5th, 2013 at 1:21:34 AM permalink
Okay, scratch what I said about Joker Poker. They just changed the pay table - not sure when.
The trick to poker is learning not to beat yourself up for your mistakes too much, and certainly not too little, but just the right amount.
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October 20th, 2013 at 9:21:39 PM permalink
not to do with deuces wild, but if the "... that offer EV+ ..." part of your question is more important, ask me to exchange emails if you want to know more, than what is written below:

"""
Hi everyone,

i have been playing a game of joker poker (kings +) with a positive EV, and would like to have some questions answered (see "questions", below "assumptions")

Assumptions (used www.beatingbonuses.com to work out most of data below, and used wizard of odds to work out player edge and basic strategy):

Bank roll: $200
Player edge (e.v.) is about: + 1.926% (between 1.90% to 1.95%)
standard deviation is about: 1.10
chance of bust is about: 0.1%
bet size per hand: $0.10
hands per round of betting: 25
rounds per 10 hours: 6240 (between 600 - 640 per hour)
expected gain per 10 hours: +$300.46 (with an unlimited bank roll)
Gain to 2nd standard deviation(s): +$0.1 to + $543.03 (over 10 hour period)
expected gain^ per 10 hours: +$271.56 (with $200 starting bank roll)

Question
expected gain^: I sort of understand that you need adequate bank-roll to effectively reduce chance of bust to nil, but why is the expected gain reduced by so much for the $200 bank roll used above?

shouldn't the expected gain be reduced to only +$300.26 for the first 10 hour block, since the chance of bust value in terms of bankroll x chance of bust, is $0.20?

thanks in advance

Kurt
"""""""
AxelWolf
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October 20th, 2013 at 9:36:18 PM permalink
Quote: ksdjdj

not to do with deuces wild, but if the "... that offer EV+ ..." part of your question is more important, then try 5dimes $0.10 x 25 hand joker poker (kings +), with an expected value of about $30.00 per hour (unlimited bank-roll), please also see if you can attempt to answer my question(s) at the bottom of the repost, it would be much appreciated:


"""
Hi everyone,

i have been playing a game of joker poker (kings +) that has an effective payout of 2.20* on all outcomes (pair of kings or higher). I would like to have my questions about expected gain with a limited bank-roll explained.

* the payout table is 2.15 level payout, but is rounded up to the nearest cent when playing 10 cents (10 cents should pay 21.5 cents but instead pays 22 cents)

Assumptions for question below (used www.beatingbonuses.com to work out most of data below, and used wizard of odds to work out player edge and basic strategy):

Bank roll: $200
Player edge (e.v.) is about: + 1.926% (between 1.90% to 1.95%, instead of about negative 0.4% if you were being paid exactly 2.15)
standard deviation is about: 1.10
chance of bust is about: 0.1%
bet size per hand: $0.10
hands per round of betting: 25
rounds per 10 hours: 6240 (between 600 - 640 per hour)
expected gain per 10 hours: +$300.46 (with an unlimited bank roll)
Gain to 2nd standard deviation(s): +$0.1 to + $543.03 (over 10 hour period)
expected gain^ per 10 hours: +$271.56 (with $200 starting bank roll)

Question
expected gain^: I sort of understand that you need adequate bank-roll to effectively reduce chance of bust to nil, but why is the expected gain reduced by so much for the $200 bank roll used above?

shouldn't the expected gain be reduced to only +$300.26 for the first 10 hour block, since the chance of bust value in terms of bankroll x chance of bust, is $0.20?

thanks in advance

Kurt
"""""""

its hard to beat possibly GAFFED machines. It only takes one to kill your EV,not to mention they have had a sketchy past reputation with no pays
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
ksdjdj
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October 20th, 2013 at 9:45:42 PM permalink
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October 20th, 2013 at 9:50:01 PM permalink
Quote: ksdjdj

♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
ksdjdj
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October 20th, 2013 at 9:54:56 PM permalink
ok, have deleted the part(s) of the post that is bad for the +EV seeking VP player or the players that already know about it,

can you do the same if you want (edit or delete your post that has my old one 'reposted')

you sound pretty on the ball, if you have time would you be able to answer my questions mentioned earlier , thanks
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