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October 18th, 2012 at 10:20:44 AM permalink
1. I'm just curious, what's the typical maximum limit a voucher redemption machine can pay out (e.g. $1,000?) before you need to redeem it at the cashier cage?

2. I was playing a game while having my player's card inserted into the machine during my entire session in order to accumulate points. I booked a nice win and had to redeem the cash out voucher at the cashier cage. My question is, given that my player's card was inserted into the machine the whole time, does that mean all of my info (name, address, points on my card, basically every bit of info stored on my player's card), is automatically embedded into the voucher's "20+ digit identification/verification" number? The reason I ask is because I assume it is, in which case I'm curious as to why the cage employee still asked for my player's card before he could give me my winnings?

For instance, what would have happened if I told them I lost my card? Would not giving them my player's card prevented me from cashing the voucher?
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October 18th, 2012 at 11:12:14 AM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

1. Varies by location.
2. Possible but I don't think so.
3. When a players card is needed to cash out, it is for their record keeping to make sure you don't go over the CTR threshhold. If no players card, your ID works just as well.

I routinely cash out large ($1500+) tickets but as I said, amounts vary by location.


1. Again out of curiosity, what's the largest amount you've seen a machine being able to accept?

3. So if the voucher is under $10,000, no CTR will be filed, right?
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October 18th, 2012 at 11:31:59 AM permalink
I'm not aware of any difference between a voucher printed with or without a card inserted. They have all that info from the machine your card was in anyway, every game, your won/loss, etc, so there is no need for it to be on a voucher. Plus if you've ever picked up a voucher on the floor whether it be for $.01 or $100 you can insert it and it will take even if it was printed with another card at the time.

The 1199.99 threshold shouldn't matter when you go to a cage. My understanding is that it's got to be 1 event, 1 game that pays you more and there is no way a cashier can know if a $3000 voucher wasn't accumulated with smaller winners, each being smaller than $1200. Normally you need to call an attendant to be paid for any one jackpot over that threshold. Same way for chips, you can cash in $1500 chips, but a cashier doesn't know how many games you played, what you started with and in fact if you won at all.
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October 18th, 2012 at 11:39:13 AM permalink
I think you can redeem a voucher up to $2000 at a kiosk at Tropicana in AC. I've yet to have a voucher get that high--I run to cash them before I either forget about them or leave the credits in a machine where I'll find an excuse to keep playing them. My max was in the $900 range.
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October 18th, 2012 at 11:53:30 AM permalink
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I think you can redeem a voucher up to $2000 at a kiosk at Tropicana in AC. I've yet to have a voucher get that high--I run to cash them before I either forget about them or leave the credits in a machine where I'll find an excuse to keep playing them. My max was in the $900 range.


My largest ticket was for $6000 from a $2 Spin Poker game ($90 max bet). Unfortunately all I did was break even, lol. And obviously I had to go to the cage and show my PC or ID.



Hey--at least you broke even!
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October 18th, 2012 at 12:00:41 PM permalink
I ran into a kiosk a few years ago that paid up to $3000 and higher wins it directed you to the cage. I have also seen some that would not pay $1000.

There is no personal information stored on a cashout voucher.
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October 18th, 2012 at 12:11:18 PM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

You're confusing a single win of $1200 or more with an ACCUMULATED win of $1200 or more.



That's what I thought I was explaining.
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October 18th, 2012 at 12:11:43 PM permalink
I routinely cash $1200-$2000 tickets at the cage, and they never ask me for anything...of course I think they know me, since I'm there every weekend...but like I said, they don't ask for ID or write anything they down (They usually just congratulate me on the big payouts...which only SOMETIMES is a WINNER; more often than not just a break-even)
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October 18th, 2012 at 12:15:54 PM permalink
The ticket itself does not have your information. Although the player tracking database might keep information about cashout tickets, ticket redemption absolutely has no interaction with that database.
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October 18th, 2012 at 4:25:16 PM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

Largest I've seen or done is $1199.99 but that doesn't mean it cannot be higher or less. Even under $10,000, but usually over $2500, they still fill out a daily log with your info to keep track of these larger transactions. This way they know if and when you hit that $10K mark.

Is the $10k based on the date printed on the voucher, or based on the date you redeem the voucher?
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October 18th, 2012 at 4:33:58 PM permalink
Quote: NickyDim

Plus if you've ever picked up a voucher on the floor whether it be for $.01 or $100 you can insert it and it will take even if it was printed with another card at the time.

I presume you've done this before so you know this for a fact. However, what about for larger vouchers over the redemption machine's cash out limit? Is it possible casinos nowadays require identification from the person redeeming the voucher, in much the same way they now require ID if you are cashing out the larger denomination chips ($1k chips, $5k chips) at the cage?

My guess is if I had claimed I didn't have my player's card with me, I wouldn't have been able to redeem the voucher if I didn't have some form of picture ID to show them.
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October 18th, 2012 at 4:37:52 PM permalink
Quote: DRich

I ran into a kiosk a few years ago that paid up to $3000 and higher wins it directed you to the cage.


Do you remember what casino had the $3k kiosk?
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