TR: Back in the LV groove
Quote: JimRockfordIs it too late to get your money back on this one?
Typo - should have been a 4 in the hole
My apologies
Each bowl has a spoon in it for the health inspector. However not everyone will use the spoon. I agree, it's gross.Quote: sodawaterQuote: aceofspades
I don't get this...they have those bowls of candies and snacks by the elevator that everyone just sticks his hand in? Especially coming back from the casino with grossly unwashed hands handling currency and chips?
That's so gross. Health inspector should not allow this.
Quote: JimRockfordEach bowl has a spoon in it for the health inspector. However not everyone will use the spoon. I agree, it's gross.Quote: sodawaterQuote: aceofspades
I don't get this...they have those bowls of candies and snacks by the elevator that everyone just sticks his hand in? Especially coming back from the casino with grossly unwashed hands handling currency and chips?
That's so gross. Health inspector should not allow this.
Yikes. Here I was thinking that was in Ace's room and was just for him. That's in the hallway? No thank you.
If your counting cards, hole carding or something like that, you are correct, winning to much might cause a problem.Quote: sc15Well, there's a few reasons for it..
If you're an APer, you might want to stop before winning so much that they look into it and 86 you.
If you are playing a suckers game like Roulette, Keno or something not on the casinos AP radar, especially someone using some nonsense system, then you almost never need to worry about it. Some Casino might sweat huge action, but mainly that's because they are concerned about cheating.
I guarantee you walk up to any roulette table with a neon sign claiming you have a roulette betting system and the won't do anything but laugh to themselves.
Legitimate APs don't have daily win goals. That's the opposite of what they do. Usually they just want to get in enough time as possible at the highest return as possible.
If there is some incredible opportunity, lets say the Payouts are misprinted on the felt. That's a case where you probably wouldn't want to bet huge amounts, milking it under the radar might be better.
Lest take a 2 to 1 BJ promotion with a $100 max bet. Only an IDIOT would have a daily win goal, hit it, and then stop.
System players have daily win goals and stop losses because the somehow believe everything resets after you leave the casinos.
Non of this applies to AOS.
Sure, a promotion like that, you would want to play for the full length of the promotion.
But if you're a card counter, hole carder, etc, there's certainly legitimate reason to leave the game if you're up a certain amount. APs don't have win "goals." But they do have a win "limit" sometimes. If I'm up a ton I don't stop playing because I WANT to stop, I stop playing because otherwise the casino might decide to make that decision for me.
Quote: EvenBobExactly. Playing any other way makes no
sense, you're asking for trouble. Why
do we have stop goals for everything
else we do in life, but not gambling.
Ace is a recreational player, not an AP.
His goal (no matter what he says) is recreation, not to win money.
Stopping when ahead while having fun on a trip is a terrible play to maximize recreation.
Quote: AxelWolf
Legitimate APs don't have daily win goals. That's the opposite of what they do. Usually they just want to get in enough time as possible at the highest return as possible..
Having a time stop is the same as having
a units won stop. Most AP BJ players have
4-6 hour window, an average of 5 hours.
Quote: ]System players have daily win goals and stop
losses because the somehow believe everything
resets after you leave the casinos.[/q
Yeah, no.. They have win goals because it's all
about discipline. It's all about limited exposure,
not hanging out and playing and playing just
because you can. That's what ploppies and
bottom bottom feeders do, they have zero
discipline."It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
Quote: sodawater
Stopping when ahead while having fun on a trip is a terrible play to maximize recreation.
I keep forgetting that half the fun
in making a nice win is giving it all
back. My bad..
Quote: EvenBob
Yeah, no.. They have win goals because it's all
about discipline. It's all about limited exposure,
not hanging out and playing and playing just
because you can. That's what ploppies and
bottom bottom feeders do, they have zero
discipline.
I don't think the cards care very much how much discipline you have.
Nope is correct -- nothing magically resets just because you end a session. A losing/systems player could play one hour per year, the most discipline he can muster, for a decade. His expectation is exactly the same as one 10-hour session.
In blackjack his expectation is actually worse because they keep changing the rules as time goes by.
Quote: sodawaterI don't think the cards care very much how much discipline you have.
.
If you have a winning system, you have a goal,
it's that simple. A +EV game has different rules
then the play till you drop ploppie game.
Quote: sodawaterAce is a recreational player, not an AP.
His goal (no matter what he says) is recreation, not to win money.
Stopping when ahead while having fun on a trip is a terrible play to maximize recreation.
Isn't he counting cards or something?
Actually, plenty of ploppies will stop while they're ahead and then blow some of the money on expensive restaurants/clubs/shopping. It's one reason casinos are loaded with stores filled with overpriced crap.
Having fun doesn't mean you have to play all trip or leave broke.
Quote: sc15Isn't he counting cards or something?
Actually, plenty of ploppies will stop while they're ahead and then blow some of the money on expensive restaurants/clubs/shopping. It's one reason casinos are loaded with stores filled with overpriced crap.
Having fun doesn't mean you have to play all trip or leave broke.
Why do you and EvenBob assume that the only place to go is down for Ace? He is playing a slightly negative game with huge variance and could easily win another $5000 or more during this trip -- the point is that the trip is for recreation so cutting it short because you are having "too good a time" is insane.
The trip is accomplishing its goals and should be continued.
Going on tilt
Dealers at 6 different tables ranging from 2D to 6D all pulled 20s, 21s and naturals at will
Quote: sodawaterDoesn't sound like you're having much fun... recommend you go play some nice tiles hands to relax
The last 3 hours have been extremely frustratingand I am sure if I listed all the nonsensical hands I encountered this thread would balloon to 70 pages as my Memorial Day thread did---perhaps after dinner I will give the lowlights but right now I am starvin' like Marvin
Quote: sodawaterWhy do you and EvenBob assume that the only place to go is down for Ace? He is playing a slightly negative game with huge variance and could easily win another $5000 or more during this trip -- the point is that the trip is for recreation so cutting it short because you are having "too good a time" is insane.
The trip is accomplishing its goals and should be continued.
I'm not.
Just saying there ARE reasons to stop when up a certain amount, regardless of who it is. Never said those reasons apply to ace right now.
Quote: aceofspades5k is gone
Going on tilt
Dealers at 6 different tables ranging from 2D to 6D all pulled 20s, 21s and naturals at will
We're hardwired to go on tilt, hurts twice
as much to lose than the pleasure we get
out of winning. It's the middle of the trip,
lots of time for the BJ train to start climbing
the mountain again.
Hehe.. too late. I hope AoS doesn't have a cousin that lives out at the old atomic test site... Just avoid, "What Number Am I Thinking Of?" I am pretty sure the dealer cheats...Quote: sodawaterJust avoid any game dealt by Shawn Wallace
Quote: sodawaterJust avoid any game dealt by Shawn Wallace
This is a pic of Wallace Shawn. Who is Shawn Wallace?
Quote: EvenBobQuote: sodawaterJust avoid any game dealt by Shawn Wallace
This is a pic of Wallace Shawn. Who is Shawn Wallace?
Well I sure messed that up.
BJ
20natural
20 4-card
21 5-card
19
BJ
Trip is -2k
Quote: aceofspadesDealer started off the next shoe with
BJ
20natural
20 4-card
21 5-card
19
BJ
Trip is -2k
Lots of time to recover. Don't you switch hotels
today?
Sat back down and got the 2k back in about 10minutes
Trip is yet again EVEN
Quote: EvenBobLots of time to recover. Don't you switch hotels
today?
Tomorrow I head to the Strip
Agreed.Quote: sc15I'm talking about legitimate APs. Some idiot martingaling isn't an APer, they're a sucker (who might THINK they have some kind of edge).
Sure, a promotion like that, you would want to play for the full length of the promotion.
But if you're a card counter, hole carder, etc, there's certainly legitimate reason to leave the game if you're up a certain amount. APs don't have win "goals." But they do have a win "limit" sometimes. If I'm up a ton I don't stop playing because I WANT to stop, I stop playing because otherwise the casino might decide to make that decision for me.
And Even AP's will oftentimes end their session (assuming there's no particular goal) on a positive note IE you're playing some DB DDB VP variation with a thin edge. You were just going to play for 4 hrs to give the host some action, but after 3 hrs you pop quad aces. It's nice to end the day on a positive note of a big win, but it's just a mental victory. Most people are wired that way.
P.S.As you know, its Not just martingaling, there's lots of crackpot systems.
Quote: aceofspadesTomorrow I head to the Strip
And you're even, you just got to Vegas.
Anything can happen. And look at the
thrill ride it's already been. Not as fun
as lawyerin full time, but close..
Quote: EvenBobAnything can happen.
Quote: AxelWolf
And Even AP's will oftentimes end their session (assuming there's no particular goal).
Sometimes common sense overcomes greed,
it's been known to happen. Not often, though.
What is Ace Sr. doing while you are playing?
How deep is the penetration in the 2D game? I think they also have a 2D game at the California if you are looking for a change of scenery.
Quote: AxelWolfAgreed.
And Even AP's will oftentimes end their session (assuming there's no particular goal) on a positive note IE you're playing some DB DDB VP variation with a thin edge. You were just going to play for 4 hrs to give the host some action, but after 3 hrs you pop quad aces. It's nice to end the day on a positive note of a big win, but it's just a mental victory. Most people are wired that way.
P.S.As you know, its Not just martingaling, there's lots of crackpot systems.
Yeah, I know, just using it as an example since it's by far the most popular sucker system. And any other crackpot system gives exactly the same end result as martingale - you lose.
Just curious ace, how much are you playing?
If I were to guess I'd say 2 hands of 200? that size bet would certainly make 5K of variance nothing.
Quote: AyecarumbaIs the win goal reset to 5k Ace?
What is Ace Sr. doing while you are playing?
How deep is the penetration in the 2D game? I think they also have a 2D game at the California if you are looking for a change of scenery.
The goal is reset to 5k
Ace, Sr. enjoys penny slot machines and 25cent VP
He also enjoys a cigar and a glass of scotch
Mama Ace arrives tomorrow and there is even a possibility of a Cousin Ace joining the mix as well
Penetration is about ⅔
We all head to the Strip tomorrow
Quote: sc15Yeah, I know, just using it as an example since it's by far the most popular sucker system. And any other crackpot system gives exactly the same end result as martingale - you lose.
Just curious ace, how much are you playing?
If I were to guess I'd say 2 hands of 200? that size bet would certainly make 5K of variance nothing.
When I lost the 5k my max bet was 200
The variance was so horrific I cannot even explain it
The forum members would likely not believe me but the dealers and pit bosses were in shock---it was 20 after 21 after 20 for the dealers at any and all tables I played at
Quote: aceofspadesWhen I lost the 5k my max bet was 200
The variance was so horrific I cannot even explain it
The forum members would likely not believe me but the dealers and pit bosses were in shock---it was 20 after 21 after 20 for the dealers at any and all tables I played at
That's bad but that's only 25 units. I've won/lost 100+ units in +EV games in a single session (very very rare events, but they do happen). I've lost 20K playing 3x500 on a +5% hole card game, so I wouldn't feel too bad if I were you. Things could be a lot lot worse.
Hey, anyone else noticed an unsettling timeline here?
-- Ace's first report from the tables comes January 13th, 2015 at 4:42:23 PM
-- Two days later, Ace is up 5k. Guess whose first post in the thread we see @ January 15th, 2015 at 2:25:28 PM?
-- Then, not 6 hrs later... (January 15th, 2015 at 8:11:12 PM)
Quote: aceofspades5k is gone
Going on tilt
Hmmm...
Quote: aceofspadesWhen I lost the 5k my max bet was 200
The variance was so horrific I cannot even explain it
The forum members would likely not believe me but the dealers and pit bosses were in shock---it was 20 after 21 after 20 for the dealers at any and all tables I played at
Wow 5k on a 200 max bet =/. You're still UP on the trip. Don't feel like you're "down" because you were up 5k. Remind yourself that you brought X, and you're currently at X + (winnings). The trip is going WELL! I know how you feel though. I have this amazing ability to lose 5-10 hands in a row to start every session of BJ I play... Which ignoring ties is: 4% to <1% chance of happening, respectively.
Did you hit the Cortez at all? This is a fantastic game (.18% HE)! I'd love to see you hit them for a quick grand and have them back you off for spreading 1-2 lol =).
Quote: RomesDon't feel like you're "down" because you were up 5k. Remind yourself that you brought X, and you're currently at X + (winnings). The trip is going WELL! .
Yes, nothing can match the absolute thrill
of losing 5 grand in a real short time.
Exhilarating!
Quote: aceofspades
Penetration is about ⅔
From the sounds of it, the penetration was deeper than that.
/Sorry, couldn't resist.
Quote: JoemanEnjoying the TR, Ace! Knock 'em dead on the Strip!
Hey, anyone else noticed an unsettling timeline here?
-- Ace's first report from the tables comes January 13th, 2015 at 4:42:23 PM
-- Two days later, Ace is up 5k. Guess whose first post in the thread we see @ January 15th, 2015 at 2:25:28 PM?
-- Then, not 6 hrs later... (January 15th, 2015 at 8:11:12 PM)
Hmmm...
Correlation or causation...?
Quote: PerditionYou need Shaq for more good luck.
Yeah get the Big Man in here
Quote: DeucekiesFrom the sounds of it, the penetration was deeper than that.
/Sorry, couldn't resist.
OUCH! Lol
Quote: aceofspadesCorrelation or causation...?
Confusing, isn't it. I just knew where the
train was and chimed in. I also seriously
meant you should have quit. Oh well..
All did not go according to plan as things picked up where they left off last night...plenty of 12s-16s for me and plenty of 20s and 21s for the dealer
After an hour of abuse I had lost 2k and was beyond hungry so I wandered over to the Claim Jumper
Upon being seated, I waited about 10minutes with nary a head nod from the waitstaff--I got up and left, telling the hostess what had happened--she apologized but I knew it was not her fault
I grabbed a protein bar and headed back to the pit
In about 20minutes the ship was righted
I was once again EVEN
I continued to play and, after a couple of more shuffles, was once again north of the Mendoza line
Trip is +1250
an aside...
Got in the elevator with a gentleman mumbling to himself he was decked out in black sweats, black tank top and a gigantic diamond necklace that read "SWAG"
He proceeded to flex his arms and attempted to shadow-box me
I laughed and he went on to tell me he is 60 years old, quicker than a rabbit and that if he decides to take me out it would be over in a few seconds
I laughed and agreed with him--at that point the elevator doors opened and he exited with nary a word
