MrRalph
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June 11th, 2014 at 10:10:51 AM permalink
Hey All,
Just got back from Vegas. All I can say is I must have sat in the same seats ACE did on his trip as I had pretty much the same experience. Stayed at the Paris it was nice as usual and I get good comps there plus I needed two rooms and did not qaulify for two at the Bellagio which is where I usually stay. It was unusually hot for this time of year, 110 on Monday. But it was a dry heat like that makes a difference it was still freakin hot!
Played Black Jack never got into a good shoe and I experienced same as ACE with the dealer getting Black Jack after Black Jack. I know I have read that Arnold Snyder, Stanford Wong and Don Schlesinger have all experienced the same numerous times but it does not make it any easier to stomach.
I also played UTH. I had much the same experience there, if I had a straight dealer had next card bigger straight ect. I did find a dealer who was paying off the wins incorrectly by paying all bets even when their hand did not qualify so I rode that one out. I also experienced the following: If I started out winning at UTH I continued to have a good session. I also did much better with fewer players at the table. I never made the trips bet and kept a side count and found in my sessions I was much farther ahead not making the trips bet and or I was close to even I was never ahead by much had I been making the trips bet.
There was a new bet on the table it was a 6 card side bet. They took 4 cards out of the deck and set them aside and then used these 4 and your two to create another hand. I don't recall the pay table but it started at 3OK and paid $1,000,000 for a Royal in Diamonds. Of course I never made it but plenty of other players did. It has to be a huge cash cow for the casino. I saw very few wins. Here is the question By removing those extra 4 cards from the deck it removes the number of outs for the player. Does it do the same for the dealer or does it give the house more of an edge by not having those cards available to the player? It seems to me it reduces the possibilities of big hands to the player.
I also played Video Poker, nothing special hit 4 aces ect a couple times no Royals no good pay tables on the strip that I found.
I am also now convinced that the RNG chip in Video Keno has been skewed to the houses favor by having a larger pool of numbers combination to choose from. I remember in an interview with Ron Harris that he said it was impossible for a computer to pick random numbers. I believe him to be right and that the new RNG are able to pick considerably more numeric sequences then the older machines. This used to be a profitable game for me but in the last 3 years I have not had a single hand pay. I used to average one or two hand pays per trip. I am now going to be a recovering video keno junkie as I am on the wagon and have sworn the game off. For the record I usually play 7 to 10 numbers. I usually play multi card or 4 card and not have experienced even a solid 5 or 6 in quite awhile.
I have a slot question. If I play slots I always play reel slots. I try to find a 2 coin 5$ machine where the payout for two coins is double for one coin that way I get the full payback percentage of the machine with only one coin bet. I found such a machine. It was a Top Dollar Machine. My question is since the Top dollar Bonus is only available if you bet 2 credits is this machine a true doubler? How much does the Top dollar bonus add to the pay back percentage of the second credit bet. Anyone know?

Thanks
aceofspades
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June 11th, 2014 at 10:25:19 AM permalink
Sorry to hear of te horrific BJ run - I all too familiar with that (makes you wonder if the cut card was just one card over or the burn card didn't happen it would all be different)
I know in the long run it is what it is but, as I have tried to convince the forum, HORRIFIC runs do indeed happen, regardless of mathematical improbability
MrRalph
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June 11th, 2014 at 10:39:50 AM permalink
Amen Brother!
AxiomOfChoice
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June 11th, 2014 at 10:41:27 AM permalink
Congrats on finding a UTH dealer who pays antes that should push. That is worth a lot (and not that uncommon).

Removing random cards from a deck doesn't change the probability of anything (as long as there is no chance of running out of cards). So what if the top 4 cards are taken out of play? The bottom 4 cards are out of play too, since the dealer will never use enough cards to deal that deep. This is no different than cutting the deck 4 cards deeper than normal.

The Keno is fair. You are misunderstanding what is meant by "a machine cannot pick truly random numbers". First of all, that statement is false (a machine can have a source of entropy that can yield truly random numbers), although it is true that the machines in Vegas do not have this, so the numbers are not truly random. However, that is just a technicality -- your results will be the same as if the numbers were truly random. I am not sure what you mean when you say that there is a larger pool of combinations of numbers to choose from. All combinations are possible and equally likely.
odiousgambit
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June 11th, 2014 at 10:44:28 AM permalink
Quote: MrRalph

I remember in an interview with Ron Harris that he said it was impossible for a computer to pick random numbers. I believe him to be right and that the new RNG .... [no need to read further]



I guess you can tell I am going to pounce on that... but it's not because Ron Harris is wrong. What he said is right, but your conclusion is wrong. The RNG is not going to cheat you. The people running the machine could make it cheat alright, but then it would be because they aren't using an RNG but a manipulated number generator.

The player has the potential to cheat the RNG, but not the opposite. An RNG that is too simple might reveal patterns [although with modern ones, forget it]. Ron Harris in fact cheated due to the vulnerabilities of an RNG - vulnerabilities of a somewhat different nature.

So, I feel compelled to say something when I see something like that, sorry.

And I'm sorry you got clobbered playing.
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June 11th, 2014 at 10:45:21 AM permalink
Quote: MrRalph

There was a new bet on the table it was a 6 card side bet. They took 4 cards out of the deck and set them aside and then used these 4 and your two to create another hand. I don't recall the pay table but it started at 3OK and paid $1,000,000 for a Royal in Diamonds.



That's the infamous CET 6-card bonus bet. It started in 3-card poker, and then it spread like a virus among all other carnival games. There's no known cure, as yet.

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I also played Video Poker, nothing special hit 4 aces ect a couple times no Royals no good pay tables on the strip that I found.



I no loneger even look at VP machines on the Strip. If you want good VP you either go Downtown or to locals casinos. There's a Stations casino relatively clsoe to the Strip on Sahara.

Better luck next trip.
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AxiomOfChoice
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June 11th, 2014 at 10:56:04 AM permalink
Also, there are good paytables on the strip, if you are willing to pay for dollar denom or higher. 9/6 JoB, 9/7 TDB, and 9/6 DDB are all available. You can also find 9/6 UX DDB which returns over 99.8% at 10-play. I'm sure that they have good deuces wild games as well, but I don't really play those so I'm not sure.
terapined
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June 11th, 2014 at 10:59:02 AM permalink
Quote: Nareed

That's the infamous CET 6-card bonus bet. It started in 3-card poker, and then it spread like a virus among all other carnival games. There's no known cure, as yet.



I no loneger even look at VP machines on the Strip. If you want good VP you either go Downtown or to locals casinos. There's a Stations casino relatively clsoe to the Strip on Sahara.

Better luck next trip.



NY NY has a few 99.54% JOB.
They are together well marked near the hotel registration desk.
Only 99.54% machines on the strip.
There is no slot for a players club card so no points, no comps.
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MrRalph
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June 11th, 2014 at 11:06:25 AM permalink
I am going back the end of July. Can you give the locations of any of these especially 9/6 UX DDB. I know I did not explain the Keno thing well but there is some difference between the older versions of this game and the newer ones. I had read once that it was like the difference between a 64 bit computer and a 128 bit computer if that makes any sense where instead of having twice as much memory it has twice the number of numeric sequences available. Make any sense?
Thanks,

Ralph
AxiomOfChoice
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June 11th, 2014 at 11:38:25 AM permalink
Quote: terapined

NY NY has a few 99.54% JOB.
They are together well marked near the hotel registration desk.
Only 99.54% machines on the strip.
There is no slot for a players club card so no points, no comps.



That is nonsense. How can you say that they are the only ones on the strip? Have you checked every machine at every casino on the strip? Or are you just guessing?

First of all, there are more in NYNY itself, and you get full M-life points and comps (full for video poker -- 1 pt per $10 coin-in).

Second, there are plenty of other machines that pay back 99.54% or more at other M-life casinos on the strip. And they give you full points as well.

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