FYI. AC Can Now Ban AP Players.

It's a fact that AC CAN NOW BAN YOU.

If anyone is in doubt, then simply contact the AC gaming control. In time, more people will come forward.

Quote: swflblackjac

I know a player who recently won $20k at Harrah's AC. He went to Resorts, and within 20 minutes of arrival, a gentleman approached him telling him they didn't welcome his action. When he told the gentleman that he couldn't do that, he responded "Yes, we can, and we do not welcome your action here."

Would you care to provide the details? What game did the player attempt to play at Resorts? Was he actually playing for 20 minutes before being banned? Why was he refused? Was he banned from the property or backed off a specific game? Vague posts like this only create more questions. Did you witness this or do you know a guy who knows a guy?

The player leaves Harrah's with $20K in his pocket and goes to Resorts. Why stay at Harrah's where you won $20K with apparently no heat and walk up the boardwalk with all that money? Did someone from Harrah's follow him to Resorts or did they send a flyer to all the AC casinos?

If Resorts banned him from blackjack they broke the law. If they banned him from any other game all of which are negative expectation they are extremely foolish. Which is it?

No they did not break the law. The law in AC has changed. The casinos now self regulate. They are now free to 86 people as they see fit.

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Quote: Keyser

No they did not break the law. The law in AC has changed. The casinos now self regulate. They are now free to 86 people as they see fit.

Uston v Resorts deals with card counting in blackjack. The New Jersey Supreme Court has ruled and that decision still stands. It has nothing to do with casinos regulating themselves.

Keyser, I do believe you were banned. Please share the details. You should be able to do that without giving out overly sensitive information. The fact remains that AC casinos cannot ban APs from blackjack because they are APs or because they win. I can't speak for other games except to say that APs don't exist on them.

Rather than asking me for more details, why don't you simply call gaming control? This is about the news, not me.

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Quote: swflblackjac

The player was just looking at some tables..

What player?

Nobody has to call any stinkin body. It's all clear in plain English and black and white and it is clear that the casinos are nowhere near "self-regulating," as repeatedly and incorrectly posted here:

"Regulatory Enforcement: The Regulatory Enforcement and Regulatory Prosecutions Bureaus are responsible for enforcing the laws of the Casino Control Act (the Act) and the CCC Rules and Regulations (Regulations) including: accounting and internal controls, rules of the games, gaming equipment, regulations of the Division of Alcoholic Beverage Control, simulcasting, advertising, on and off site storage facilities, underage gambling and drinking, exclusion list violations, casino employee noncompliance, patron complaints, equal employment opportunity/affirmative action (EEO/AA) complaints, information systems integrity, security and CCTV surveillance and other matters related to the daily operation of the casino. The Bureaus investigate and prosecute violations of the Act and Regulations.

Monitoring Casino Operations: DGE state investigators monitor day-to-day casino operations on site and around the clock to assure regulatory compliance and investigate violations. In addition to addressing regulatory concerns, the unique criminal law enforcement concerns of casinos are handled by New Jersey State Police assigned to the DGE and prosecuted by the Division of Criminal Justice's Casino Prosecutions Bureau." --NJ DGE

Sancho,

As someone that has been through the process, and that has vastly more experience with these situations, I can tell that you simply don't know what you're talking about with regards to the new rules, the patron dispute process, and 86ing players.

At this point I suggest that you simply call gaming control and they will explain it to you, since there's nothing anyone could post on this board that would help you comprehend the new changes. I know you're finding the new situation to be quite confusing, (and you're not the only one that's confused about the new changes), but they can help you understand it.

Good Luck,

-Keyser

Quote: swflblackjac

I know a player who recently won $20k at Harrah's AC. He went to Resorts, and within 20 minutes of arrival, a gentleman approached him telling him they didn't welcome his action. When he told the gentleman that he couldn't do that, he responded "Yes, we can, and we do not welcome your action here."

I'm sure the pit boss would say "yes we can" even if they couldn't.

Keyser,
As a fellow forum member, I'm interested in your specific situation and I doubt that Gaming Control will discuss that with me. Share your experience so that others can avoid what happened to you. That's what the forum is all about.

Quote: Keyser

You simply don't know what you're talking about with regards to the new rules, the patron dispute process, and 86ing players.

After a couple of more months with no substantiation, we now have the curious news about Don Johnson's returning to the tables in Atlantic City:

Posted: Saturday, March 10, 2012 12:30 am | Updated: 3:48 am, Sat Mar 10, 2012.
ATLANTIC CITY — Blackjack whiz Don Johnson added to his incredible winning streak in February, scorching Tropicana Casino and Resort for $2 million during a month that saw other gaming halls also take a drubbing at table games. . . .
For the month, Tropicana’s table games revenue plunged a staggering 118 percent, for a loss of $1 million. It is exceptionally rare for casinos to lose money at table games, even when their revenue is down overall.
Johnson told The Press of Atlantic City that he won about $2 million, a figure confirmed by Rodio. Another blackjack player beat Tropicana out of about $4 million, but yet another gambler lost $2 million, Rodio said, declining to give their names.

Tropicana’s table games strategy is based on attracting high-stakes players who bet as much as $100,000 per hand. The strategy has backfired at times, particularly with Johnson’s winning exploits over the past year. But Rodio stressed Tropicana has no plans to back away from big-stakes betting.
“There are some months when we’re going to do great and some months when we get clobbered,” Rodio said. “But we’re open for business, and we want other customers to know that they can take a shot.”

Johnson said he was betting as much as $100,000 per hand during February’s win streak. His winning ways at Tropicana first began last April, when he took home $5.8 million during a 12-hour gambling spree. He followed up with a $2 million haul in October. “I have to believe that their strategy is that things will turn around in the long run and they will get their money back,” Johnson said of Tropicana.

Johnson, of Bensalem, Pa., soared to fame last year, when he beat Tropicana, Caesars Atlantic City and Borgata Hotel Casino & Spa out of a total of $17 million. With his latest win at Tropicana, he is now up to $19 million, solidifying his reputation as the “Beast of Blackjack.”
Although Tropicana’s table games strategy has been risky, Rodio said his casino has been close to the industry average in hold percentage — about 14 percent — over the past 18 months. Hold percentage is the ratio of gaming chips the casinos keep compared with the number they sell to gamblers. acpress

Quote: SanchoPanza

After a couple of more months with no substantiation, we now have the curious news about Don Johnson's returning to the tables in Atlantic City:
acpress

And guess what? The press is talking about Tropicana, an aging property with a Joan Rivers-style face lift, instead of Revel, which is opening in a few weeks. I don't know that I believe the stories of these people taking Tropicana by the balls, but if it's generating excitement in the property, then I guess it's good for them.

Tropicana may be taking these high roller bets but they are too damn cheap to comp heineken at a $25 table. Fuck em.

Quote: Tiltpoul

I don't know that I believe the stories of these people taking Tropicana by the balls, but if it's generating excitement in the property, then I guess it's good for them.

Monday, April 1, 2013 2:00 am
One Atlantic City casino’s high-stakes table games strategy defies the old gambling adage that “the house always wins.”
The payoffs at Tropicana Casino and Resort have been huge — for the gamblers. Blackjack whiz Don Johnson became an international celebrity by beating Tropicana out of $5.8 million during a 12-hour gambling spree in April 2011. He returned to win $2 million the following October and another $2 million in February 2012.

Despite the risks, Tropicana has no plans to abandon big-stakes gambling as the centerpiece of its table games operations, the casino’s CEO stressed. “I think it’s exciting for us to say to the general public, ‘You can get on a roll and make a big score here.’ I think that’s a very exciting thing that we can offer,” said Tony Rodio, who also serves as CEO of the casino’s Tropicana Entertainment Inc. parent company.

Tropicana allows its top gamblers to wager as much as $100,000 per hand. Johnson bet that much during his incredible winning streak, but even he questions the logic of Tropicana’s strategy. “I don’t know what they’re trying to prove,” he said. “Nobody else offers those limits in the world. One hundred thousand a hand on blackjack? That’s strong.”

With Johnson and other big bettors winning multimillion-dollar jackpots, Tropicana’s table games revenue has swung wildly from month to month during the past 2½ years. Most recently, the strategy worked in Tropicana’s favor. In February, it earned $3.4 million from its table games, compared with a $1 million loss the same month in 2012. In February 2012, Tropicana’s table games revenue plunged a staggering 118 percent because of Johnson’s $2 million haul and a $4 million win by another blackjack player whose name was not disclosed. . . .

Last year, Tropicana grossed $59.6 million from its table games, down 30 percent compared to 2011. December’s results showed just how volatile table games play can be. For December, Tropicana’s table games revenue plummeted 82 percent, largely as the result of a $2 million loss in its blackjack operations. . . . acpress